Why Atheism Will Replace Religion

Why Atheism Will Replace Religion

There are 14730 comments on the News24 story from Aug 27, 2012, titled Why Atheism Will Replace Religion. In it, News24 reports that:

Please note that for this article "Atheism" also includes agnostics, deists, pagans, wiccans... in other words non-religious.

You will notice this is a statement of fact. And to be fact it is supported by evidence (see references below). Now you can have "faith" that this is not true, but by the very definition of faith, that is just wishful thinking.

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MUQ

Qatif, Saudi Arabia

#14272 Aug 26, 2013
ezdzit wrote:
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One of the most important purposes of our sciences is to search for, gather and study objective evidence of how every part of the world works and what causes changes, both positive and negative changes. "Killing the messenger" won't change the impacts of cause and effect on the human race...
But they should not go into "predicting business" because it is outside their field.

They know very little about how this complex universe works and what are hidden treasures in it.

So far EVERYTHING these scientists predicted has proven wrong.

Therefore they should only their job of finding out how the things work and leave the job of "predicting" to other people.

That was my main point.

“Blue Collar Philosopher”

Since: Nov 08

Texas, USA

#14273 Aug 26, 2013
MUQ wrote:
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But they should not go into "predicting business" because it is outside their field.
They know very little about how this complex universe works and what are hidden treasures in it.
So far EVERYTHING these scientists predicted has proven wrong.
Therefore they should only their job of finding out how the things work and leave the job of "predicting" to other people.
That was my main point.
Scientists, mathematicians and statisticians are the only ones with any business at all "predicting" anything. It's perfectly legitimate to make projections/extrapolations based upon a careful analysis of past trends. It's really the only tools we have. Perfect? Of course not. Not in the chaotic Universe we find ourselves in. It is the rare, apologetic scientist who will go all poetic predicting anything. What predictions made by what scientists have all been proven wrong? I suppose you put your faith in the predictions made by prophets and soothsayers, tea leaves and goat entrails ... LOL!!

“Sombrero Galaxy”

Since: Jan 10

I'm An Illegal Alien

#14274 Aug 26, 2013
RHill wrote:
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I been to Syria a couple times. A people more frightened of their government I have never seen. I wish we could help more, but frankly, they will place a higher value on whatever they get if they pay for it themselves. Our record at 'bestowing freedom' isn't that great anyway.
The issue is that there are a lot of extremists Muslims ready to come in, once Assad is deposed.
Dak-Original

Leeds, UK

#14275 Aug 27, 2013
ezdzit wrote:
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Your evolution theory doesn't explain how humans, i.e. homo sapien sapiens, literally crawled out of their caves and then jumped from the Stone Age into the Space Age in less than 12,000 years.
Why don't YOU explain how humans made that quantum leap in only 300 generations, bubba?
Tall question only because it would need a small booklet. However, there is no quantum jump but evolution of the brain and then emancipation of the mind due to challenges and odd strokes of luck from the specis point of view. The price in terms of loss of lives and struggle in dire times was heavy if you look from the point of view of the individuals. However, that is the way evolution and mutations occur to suit circumstances. Now use of silly words like "bubba" for other posters only shows you up as an arch Bubba here.

“Blue Collar Philosopher”

Since: Nov 08

Texas, USA

#14276 Aug 27, 2013
emperorjohn wrote:
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The issue is that there are a lot of extremists Muslims ready to come in, once Assad is deposed.
In my humble opinion, the Syrian people won't tolerate another oppressor. It would be hard to imagine a more extreme Muslim than Assad. He's what every extreme Muslim dreams of becoming ... Supreme Dictator of their very own nation!!

“Liberty & Justice For All”

Since: Aug 11

United States of America

#14277 Aug 27, 2013
Dak-Original wrote:
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Tall question only because it would need a small booklet. However, there is no quantum jump but evolution of the brain and then emancipation of the mind due to challenges and odd strokes of luck from the specis point of view. The price in terms of loss of lives and struggle in dire times was heavy if you look from the point of view of the individuals. However, that is the way evolution and mutations occur to suit circumstances. Now use of silly words like "bubba" for other posters only shows you up as an arch Bubba here.
LOL

In other words, you are just another one of the many ignorant bubbas on this thread who are absolutely clueless about how and why humans evolved.

What challenges, what luck, bubba? Our modern sciences say there were virtually no selection pressures on humans 12,000 years ago. Humans were and are apex predators at the top of the food chain and at that time in the Earth's history, the Fertile Crescent was quite literally the "Garden of Eden". It had beautiful weather, was full of rivers and streams with fresh clean water, had bountiful supplies of game meat, wild grains, fruits herbs and vegetables--anything and everything humans wanted or needed freely grew all around them. So what was it that caused this particular million year old animal species to suddenly begin an extraordinary and unprecedented rapid evolution from the Stone Age to the Space Age in only 300 generations?

Anybody on this thread got an INTELLIGENT answer for this question?
Dak-Original

Leeds, UK

#14278 Aug 27, 2013
ezdzit wrote:
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LOL
In other words, you are just another one of the many ignorant bubbas on this thread who are absolutely clueless about how and why humans evolved.
What challenges, what luck, bubba? Our modern sciences say there were virtually no selection pressures on humans 12,000 years ago. Humans were and are apex predators at the top of the food chain and at that time in the Earth's history, the Fertile Crescent was quite literally the "Garden of Eden". It had beautiful weather, was full of rivers and streams with fresh clean water, had bountiful supplies of game meat, wild grains, fruits herbs and vegetables--anything and everything humans wanted or needed freely grew all around them. So what was it that caused this particular million year old animal species to suddenly begin an extraordinary and unprecedented rapid evolution from the Stone Age to the Space Age in only 300 generations?
Anybody on this thread got an INTELLIGENT answer for this question?
Here the Arch Bubba is talking about 12,000 years ago but evolution is a continuing matter and 12,000 years ago technologies had not arrived but lot were not much different from the current Homo Sapien. However, until as recently as one milleneum humans wer not top dogs and any venturing into wilderness humans came off worse off against lions, etc. Arch Bubba cannot get him mind round to see matters in any perspective except the one for a mere belief one!

“Blue Collar Philosopher”

Since: Nov 08

Texas, USA

#14280 Aug 27, 2013
ezdzit wrote:
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LOL
In other words, you are just another one of the many ignorant bubbas on this thread who are absolutely clueless about how and why humans evolved.
What challenges, what luck, bubba? Our modern sciences say there were virtually no selection pressures on humans 12,000 years ago. Humans were and are apex predators at the top of the food chain and at that time in the Earth's history, the Fertile Crescent was quite literally the "Garden of Eden". It had beautiful weather, was full of rivers and streams with fresh clean water, had bountiful supplies of game meat, wild grains, fruits herbs and vegetables--anything and everything humans wanted or needed freely grew all around them. So what was it that caused this particular million year old animal species to suddenly begin an extraordinary and unprecedented rapid evolution from the Stone Age to the Space Age in only 300 generations?
Anybody on this thread got an INTELLIGENT answer for this question?
Anatomically modern Humans appeared about 50k years ago as Hunter-gatherers, developed tool use, language, writing, art and the rest, as they say, is History. The last three developments allowed knowledge and experience to be passed down to subsequent generations who used their spare time to make improvements. Curiosity and the ever changing climate prompted exploration and innovation. Certain key developments like fire, the wheel, agriculture, metallurgy and trade prompted their own periods of rapid growth, prosperity and innovation. There's no telling what we could have accomplished had some jackass not invented religion. We're trying to fix that as we speak.

“Liberty & Justice For All”

Since: Aug 11

United States of America

#14281 Aug 27, 2013
Dak-Original wrote:
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Here the Arch Bubba is talking about 12,000 years ago but evolution is a continuing matter and 12,000 years ago technologies had not arrived but lot were not much different from the current Homo Sapien. However, until as recently as one milleneum humans wer not top dogs and any venturing into wilderness humans came off worse off against lions, etc. Arch Bubba cannot get him mind round to see matters in any perspective except the one for a mere belief one!
And yet more blah blah blah from another ignorant bubba who has all the answers but doesn't know the questions.... Typical atheist.

“Liberty & Justice For All”

Since: Aug 11

United States of America

#14282 Aug 27, 2013
RHill wrote:
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Anatomically modern Humans appeared about 50k years ago as Hunter-gatherers, developed tool use, language, writing, art and the rest, as they say, is History. The last three developments allowed knowledge and experience to be passed down to subsequent generations who used their spare time to make improvements. Curiosity and the ever changing climate prompted exploration and innovation. Certain key developments like fire, the wheel, agriculture, metallurgy and trade prompted their own periods of rapid growth, prosperity and innovation. There's no telling what we could have accomplished had some jackass not invented religion. We're trying to fix that as we speak.
LOL You're cutting and pasting from a lame website. The pro-evolution academic community coerced the UC Berkeley geneticist who announced that "Eve and Her Seven Daughters" appeared in the mt/DNA of modern humans only 50.000 years ago into doing a math redo about a decade ago. That math redo pushed the timeline for Eve back to 100,000 years ago.

According to the archeological record, the oldest building in the world is a temple built about 11,000 years ago. So, in direct contradiction to your theory, BEFORE "some jackass" invented this new religion and built a temple, humans had been very unremarkable for tens of thousands of years, but AFTER the temple was built....well. the rest, as they say, is history, right? We became remarkable. What happened to us? How did we jump from the Stone Age to the Space Age in only 300 generations? Hmmmmmm......?
Dak-Original

Leeds, UK

#14283 Aug 27, 2013
ezdzit wrote:
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And yet more blah blah blah from another ignorant bubba who has all the answers but doesn't know the questions.... Typical atheist.
The Arch Bubba forgot that I am no atheist, but an almost atheist. I do believe in concept of GOD but that is mere belief and not the truth. Where does "typical" then fit here, Arch "blah blah blah Bubba?

“Blue Collar Philosopher”

Since: Nov 08

Texas, USA

#14284 Aug 27, 2013
ezdzit wrote:
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LOL You're cutting and pasting from a lame website. The pro-evolution academic community coerced the UC Berkeley geneticist who announced that "Eve and Her Seven Daughters" appeared in the mt/DNA of modern humans only 50.000 years ago into doing a math redo about a decade ago. That math redo pushed the timeline for Eve back to 100,000 years ago.
According to the archeological record, the oldest building in the world is a temple built about 11,000 years ago. So, in direct contradiction to your theory, BEFORE "some jackass" invented this new religion and built a temple, humans had been very unremarkable for tens of thousands of years, but AFTER the temple was built....well. the rest, as they say, is history, right? We became remarkable. What happened to us? How did we jump from the Stone Age to the Space Age in only 300 generations? Hmmmmmm......?
My "cut and paste" is your answer. It's called progress. What part of it do you fail to understand?

“Liberty & Justice For All”

Since: Aug 11

United States of America

#14285 Aug 27, 2013
RHill wrote:
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My "cut and paste" is your answer. It's called progress. What part of it do you fail to understand?
Your answer posits that modern humans have only been around for 50,000 years. That's wrong. What part of "wrong" do you fail to understand?

And, the guys and gals at UC Berkeley have done another math redo and pushed the date for the emergence of Mitochondrial Eve, the mother of all modern humans, even further back to between 140,000 and 200,000 BP.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mitochondrial_Ev...

The dates for the emergence of Y-chromosomal Adam, the father of all modern humans, vary between 188,000 and 338,000 BP, and DNA evidence says grandpa Adam had at least two sons. LOL Imagine that...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Y-chromosomal_Ad...

It looks like modern humans weren't that much different from other animals for well over a 100,000 years before the clock stuck 12,000 BP. Then everything about the way humans behaved obviously changed. The question no evolution theory has ever answered is what caused this change to occur?
xianity is EVIL

Wheatley, Canada

#14286 Aug 27, 2013
ezdzit wrote:
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Your answer posits that modern humans have only been around for 50,000 years. That's wrong. What part of "wrong" do you fail to understand?
And, the guys and gals at UC Berkeley have done another math redo and pushed the date for the emergence of Mitochondrial Eve, the mother of all modern humans, even further back to between 140,000 and 200,000 BP.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mitochondrial_Ev...
The dates for the emergence of Y-chromosomal Adam, the father of all modern humans, vary between 188,000 and 338,000 BP, and DNA evidence says grandpa Adam had at least two sons. LOL Imagine that...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Y-chromosomal_Ad...
It looks like modern humans weren't that much different from other animals for well over a 100,000 years before the clock stuck 12,000 BP. Then everything about the way humans behaved obviously changed. The question no evolution theory has ever answered is what caused this change to occur?
adaptation to the natural condition,if people and all living things didnt adapt to their environment they would die off..

http://youtu.be/UkuCtIko798
Dak-Original

Leeds, UK

#14287 Aug 27, 2013
ezdzit wrote:
<quoted text>
Your answer posits that modern humans have only been around for 50,000 years. That's wrong. What part of "wrong" do you fail to understand?
And, the guys and gals at UC Berkeley have done another math redo and pushed the date for the emergence of Mitochondrial Eve, the mother of all modern humans, even further back to between 140,000 and 200,000 BP.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mitochondrial_Ev...
The dates for the emergence of Y-chromosomal Adam, the father of all modern humans, vary between 188,000 and 338,000 BP, and DNA evidence says grandpa Adam had at least two sons. LOL Imagine that...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Y-chromosomal_Ad...
It looks like modern humans weren't that much different from other animals for well over a 100,000 years before the clock stuck 12,000 BP. Then everything about the way humans behaved obviously changed. The question no evolution theory has ever answered is what caused this change to occur?
Last paragraph is no science! Humans were like "other animals" until 12,000 BP!"????

Homo Sapiens is the only surviving humanoid specis within the ape Family. Our closest humanoid specis perished only about 10.000 years ago but it did not go without interbreeding with Homo sapiens. All Homo Sapiens, except Southern Africans, have up to 4% Neaderthall genes. Other two humanoid genes are found in some Asian populations in Indonesia.

Our closest living specis are Bonobos and chimps.

Most successful humnoid specis by logeivity werfe: Homo Erectus as they survived for more than 1 million years. We may or may not be vertical decendant specis of Homo Erectus. However, we would be related decendant specis for sure. No Adam and Eve. When archologist talk about Eve they talk about a common ancestor for Homo Sapiens. There is bound to be a population which mutated into Homo Sapien.

Homo Sapien then is the most sucessful specis technologicaly and that was possible due to environmental challenges and specis sacrifices along the way. 50,000 years ago Homo Sapiens were hunter/gatherers and they struggled to stay alive as they , too, were prey to carnivores and poisonous animals when they did not perish due to other deseases.

Now how come this well "educated" Arch Bubba insist on persisting about tales from human inveted relgion as part of human specis history?





Dak-Original

Leeds, UK

#14288 Aug 27, 2013
xianity is EVIL wrote:
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adaptation to the natural condition,if people and all living things didnt adapt to their environment they would die off..
http://youtu.be/UkuCtIko798
Good link but will the Arch Bubba accept it? LOL!

“Liberty & Justice For All”

Since: Aug 11

United States of America

#14289 Aug 27, 2013
xianity is EVIL wrote:
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adaptation to the natural condition,if people and all living things didnt adapt to their environment they would die off..
http://youtu.be/UkuCtIko798
Species do not physically adapt to changes in their environment. When environmental changes come, existing species either already have the physical traits to survive, thrive, and reproduce.... or their species dies out and goes extinct. Millions of species have already died out and gone extinct since the Earth first evolved.

Again, selection pressure does not explain how humans crawled out of their caves 12,000 years ago and then jumped from the Stone Age to the Space Age in only 300 generations.
MUQ

Dammam, Saudi Arabia

#14290 Aug 27, 2013
ezdzit wrote:
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Species do not physically adapt to changes in their environment. When environmental changes come, existing species either already have the physical traits to survive, thrive, and reproduce.... or their species dies out and goes extinct. Millions of species have already died out and gone extinct since the Earth first evolved.
Again, selection pressure does not explain how humans crawled out of their caves 12,000 years ago and then jumped from the Stone Age to the Space Age in only 300 generations.
Humans did not "evolve" from any animals, that is a very wrong and very non scientific thing to say and there is no proof for that hypothesis.

Human's appearance on this earth what we call it "digital"!! Zero and One and no state between them.

There was a time when there was no Human on this earth and ALL of SUDDEN , in a flash humans appeared on this earth!!

And your observation that in only 300 generations they achieved what no other specie could do in a million generations!!

Humans were created special and they shall remain special all the way...

That leads us to our next question, is it an "open ended" scheme? Will human race survive for ever?

What does science say about it?

“Blue Collar Philosopher”

Since: Nov 08

Texas, USA

#14291 Aug 27, 2013
ezdzit wrote:
<quoted text>
Your answer posits that modern humans have only been around for 50,000 years. That's wrong. What part of "wrong" do you fail to understand?
And, the guys and gals at UC Berkeley have done another math redo and pushed the date for the emergence of Mitochondrial Eve, the mother of all modern humans, even further back to between 140,000 and 200,000 BP.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mitochondrial_Ev...
The dates for the emergence of Y-chromosomal Adam, the father of all modern humans, vary between 188,000 and 338,000 BP, and DNA evidence says grandpa Adam had at least two sons. LOL Imagine that...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Y-chromosomal_Ad...
It looks like modern humans weren't that much different from other animals for well over a 100,000 years before the clock stuck 12,000 BP. Then everything about the way humans behaved obviously changed. The question no evolution theory has ever answered is what caused this change to occur?
Whatever. It's clearly the magical thing that happened when "the clock struck 12,000BP" that has you all a-twitter. Humans aren't that much different from other animals RIGHT NOW if you ask me. In fact, I'm far more impressed with our similarities than our differences. As far as I'm concerned our ancestry and that of all living things on the planet can be traced back to the primordial ooze, so haggling over when this or that branch split off the family tree doesn't really make much difference. That being said, spill it ... what do you say happened that has supposedly stumped "evolution theory". Aliens come down and impress us with their inexplicable technology? LOL

“Blue Collar Philosopher”

Since: Nov 08

Texas, USA

#14292 Aug 27, 2013
ezdzit wrote:
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Species do not physically adapt to changes in their environment. When environmental changes come, existing species either already have the physical traits to survive, thrive, and reproduce.... or their species dies out and goes extinct. Millions of species have already died out and gone extinct since the Earth first evolved.
Again, selection pressure does not explain how humans crawled out of their caves 12,000 years ago and then jumped from the Stone Age to the Space Age in only 300 generations.
Your understanding of evolutionary processes seem limited. When a species is presented with changing environmental conditions, SOME OF IT'S POPULATION may possess characteristics that provide a benefit under the new conditions. For instance, our species has populated the Earth from the frozen North to Equatorial Africa, by virtue of some minor adaptations such as melatonin concentration, subcutaneous fat layers, etc. Should Global Warming dominate or a new Ice Age dawn, there will still be people who will feel right at home. Species only die out when they have become over-specialized or confined themselves somehow to too narrow an ecological niche.

"By simple mathematics, it follows that the human race is about 300 generations old. If one assumes a typical generation is about 20 years, this gives an age of about 6000 years." <courtesy of some creationist website>

I was wondering why you keep harping on the '300 generation' thing. Problem is, you and your creationist buddys can't agree whether 300 generations is 6000 or 12000 years. What variation on this rather tired theme do you intend to play here Bucko? Do you really think you are on to something that has stumped evolution or science? LOL

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