Why Atheism Will Replace Religion

Why Atheism Will Replace Religion

There are 14730 comments on the News24 story from Aug 27, 2012, titled Why Atheism Will Replace Religion. In it, News24 reports that:

Please note that for this article "Atheism" also includes agnostics, deists, pagans, wiccans... in other words non-religious.

You will notice this is a statement of fact. And to be fact it is supported by evidence (see references below). Now you can have "faith" that this is not true, but by the very definition of faith, that is just wishful thinking.

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#14252 Aug 26, 2013
emperorjohn wrote:
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That is one great way of seeing it. For myself, I often compare the religious to people who are in abusive relationships but stay because they think their abusers love them, despite evidence to the contrary.
But your analogy is better because the goal of the drug abuser is not attainable, and their high is only a temporary thing.
This is why it is a mental illness.

For the religious emotions to be enhanced, the cult member has to get sucked deeper and deeper into the cult, to get the same or increasing high.

This is why they are all on the road to fanaticism, one way or another.

“Blue Collar Philosopher”

Since: Nov 08

Texas, USA

#14253 Aug 26, 2013
ezdzit wrote:
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What the ice core graphs indicate is that for about the last 12,000 years, the earth has been enclosed in a kind of climate “bubble” in which the global temperature has never fluctuated more than plus/minus 2 degrees C.
http://www.daviesand.com/Choices/Precautionar...
All of the ice core data collected so far indicates this climate “bubble” has been an unprecedented phenomena. Previous climate cycles stretching back some 800,000 years do not predict this kind of climate phenomena and there is no scientific explanation for how or why this happened.
http://www.ferdinand-engelbeen.be/klimaat/kli...
But, yeah, it looks like our 12,000 year old climate “bubble” is probably going to be bursting soon because of all the excess CO2 in the atmosphere and our failure to do something about it. If I had my druthers between (1) a quick, clean, painless death by flash freezing, or (2) a slow, messy, painful death by famine, thirst, sickness, war, etc, I’d really prefer to have what’s behind door #1.....
Still not sure where you get a "Flash Freeze" out of this data but, yeah ... you can always throw on another jacket. The bad thing about the reality of CO2 concentrations and Global Warming is that these effects might actually BE GOOD for agriculture, at least temporarily. This will allow the planet to support a much larger population than old Momma Nature might otherwise have seen fitting. Sustainability is definitely NOT a 'the more the merrier' situation. Agriculture is itself a destructive process with it's irrigation/evaporation, insecticides and it's polluting run off by-products. The inevitable crash is just gonna be MORE TERRIBLE THAN ANYONE CAN IMAGINE!!!! LOL

“Blue Collar Philosopher”

Since: Nov 08

Texas, USA

#14254 Aug 26, 2013
MUQ wrote:
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Have scientists predicted anything "positive" about human kind?
I have only seen them talking about deaths, famine, and general misery for human race....why this negative attitude?
Do they not see any thing "positive"?
And mind you NONE of their past negative predictions have been proven true!!
I think a true scientist should never "predict" what will happen in future, it is not their job to do this, They are overstepping their science and scientific methods.
Please don't confuse Scientists with the Futurists and Journalists who take science's collected data and draw their own conclusions, usually to sell books and magazines. There's all kinds of 'positive predictions' about Humanity's future. We could have a fantastic one ... the Universe awaits!!

Unfortunately, it ain't gonna be much of one if:

The Catholics/Christians have their way with the 'right to life' agenda and the population bubble bursts. Try not to get any on ya!!!

or

The Muslims have their way and they Jihad themselves into planetary dominance and we all end up as head-bang'n camel jockeys. Yee-haw!! Praise Allah and pass me that ammunition!!!

or

The Hindu/Buddhists convince everybody to squat down cross-legged and intently study their own belly-button lint. Who needs hardware when you can just THINK your way there!?!?

“Blue Collar Philosopher”

Since: Nov 08

Texas, USA

#14255 Aug 26, 2013
-Skeptic- wrote:
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This is why it is a mental illness.
For the religious emotions to be enhanced, the cult member has to get sucked deeper and deeper into the cult, to get the same or increasing high.
This is why they are all on the road to fanaticism, one way or another.
You got that right! Human Beings have a very well known ability to work themselves into a religious frenzy where any manner of atrocity is possible. We might feel dirty and used the next day, but that is where the Holy Men step in, telling us that (the book burning, the lynching, the riot, the beheading, the defamation, the war, the pogrom, the torture, the atrocity, the abuse of the innocent) was all right, even justified.
JBH

Richmond, Canada

#14256 Aug 26, 2013
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Syria: U.N. chemical weapons team comes under sniper fire
By Frederik Pleitgen, Hamdi Alkhshali and Ben Brumfield, CNN
updated 7:14 AM EDT, Mon August 26, 2013
A Syrian soldier walks down a street in Damascus on Saturday, August 24. Tensions in Syria began to flare in March 2011 and have escalated into an ongoing civil war. Click through to view the most compelling images taken since the start of the conflict.

STORY HIGHLIGHTS
An explosion occurs near the site U.N. inspectors want to visit
Ban Ki-Moon: chemical weapons use is crime against humanity
Syrian government to allow U.N. inspectors access to site after long delay
U.S. bulking up naval presence near Syria

Damascus, Syria (CNN)--[Breaking news update 7:13 a.m. ET]
Sniper fire hit a vehicle used by a U.N. chemical weapons investigation team in Syria multiple times on Monday, according to the United Nations. The team "returned safely back to the government checkpoint," a U.N. statement said. The team is replacing the vehicle and will return to the area, it said.

U.N. chief: Chemical weapons use in Syria must be punished

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Related to the above report, it is useless for UN inspectors to be in Syria.

UN chief could be disposed and asked to step aside immediately, as people worldwide do not want any harms and destruction imposed on them.


Because there are those who fall in the prey and scheme of chemical weapons usage, the Muslim rebels already have chemical weapons usage and stage orchestration of using chemical weapons to poison others to make the show, so that others would go for falling into the trap, in order that western forces might get into the prey.
The number of people who really die from chemical weapons is just a number as how they make it up and call such number, yet it is small make-up number RANGING FROM 100 TO A FEW HUNDRED, compared to the overall larger number of tolls

THIS IS HAZARDOUS when UN inspectors are in Syria, as rebels would further poison others behind inspectors back, so that they can stage further falsehood.
If Syria regime would use chemical weapons before, there is no case that they could come up with substantial facts and evidences to prove it.
If few die in the internal civil unrest for so long in Syria due to chemical weapons, one does not expect that many people would die from chemical weapons if the unrest goes on.

But the bottom line is that if any military action were into Syria, the large scale of devastation warfare to a lot more civilians being killed would be very destructive from the beginning to the final end. Yet, the important criteria for this very large scale of action would lead to making another troublesome current Iraq-like situation of bigger than Iraq for long, as this must be rejected and deterred.

There are no merits but all damages by falling into the trickery prey of insurgent rebels and others in orchestrating to start with--it needs to stop those by now.

THEREFORE, UN IS DESTRUCTIVE IN ITS ENDEAVOR SO FAR BY FALLING INTO THE TRAP. It is better for UN inspectors to leave Syria at once, so that rebels can no longer make up falsehood. As Long as people do not get tricked by rebels, then the constructive way is to view and deter rebel groups as they cause lots of people destruction and damages by making people of the world doing very destructive things to themselves, and UN as well, and this is destroying global people's lives and resources around the world.

UN chief must be disposed and asked to step aside immediately if he still puts inspectors in Syria and continues with the jargon of chemical weapons,, as people worldwide do not want any harms imposed on them.

“Blue Collar Philosopher”

Since: Nov 08

Texas, USA

#14257 Aug 26, 2013
JBH wrote:
++++++++
Syria: U.N. chemical weapons team comes under sniper fire
By Frederik Pleitgen, Hamdi Alkhshali and Ben Brumfield, CNN
updated 7:14 AM EDT, Mon August 26, 2013
A Syrian soldier walks down a street in Damascus on Saturday, August 24. Tensions in Syria began to flare in March 2011 and have escalated into an ongoing civil war. Click through to view the most compelling images taken since the start of the conflict.
STORY HIGHLIGHTS
An explosion occurs near the site U.N. inspectors want to visit
Ban Ki-Moon: chemical weapons use is crime against humanity
Syrian government to allow U.N. inspectors access to site after long delay
U.S. bulking up naval presence near Syria
Damascus, Syria (CNN)--[Breaking news update 7:13 a.m. ET]
Sniper fire hit a vehicle used by a U.N. chemical weapons investigation team in Syria multiple times on Monday, according to the United Nations. The team "returned safely back to the government checkpoint," a U.N. statement said. The team is replacing the vehicle and will return to the area, it said.
U.N. chief: Chemical weapons use in Syria must be punished
++++++
==========
Related to the above report, it is useless for UN inspectors to be in Syria.
UN chief could be disposed and asked to step aside immediately, as people worldwide do not want any harms and destruction imposed on them.
Because there are those who fall in the prey and scheme of chemical weapons usage, the Muslim rebels already have chemical weapons usage and stage orchestration of using chemical weapons to poison others to make the show, so that others would go for falling into the trap, in order that western forces might get into the prey.
The number of people who really die from chemical weapons is just a number as how they make it up and call such number, yet it is small make-up number RANGING FROM 100 TO A FEW HUNDRED, compared to the overall larger number of tolls
THIS IS HAZARDOUS when UN inspectors are in Syria, as rebels would further poison others behind inspectors back, so that they can stage further falsehood.
If Syria regime would use chemical weapons before, there is no case that they could come up with substantial facts and evidences to prove it.
If few die in the internal civil unrest for so long in Syria due to chemical weapons, one does not expect that many people would die from chemical weapons if the unrest goes on.
But the bottom line is that if any military action were into Syria, the large scale of devastation warfare to a lot more civilians being killed would be very destructive from the beginning to the final end. Yet, the important criteria for this very large scale of action would lead to making another troublesome current Iraq-like situation of bigger than Iraq for long, as this must be rejected and deterred.
There are no merits but all damages by falling into the trickery prey of insurgent rebels and others in orchestrating to start with--it needs to stop those by now.
THEREFORE, UN IS DESTRUCTIVE IN ITS ENDEAVOR SO FAR BY FALLING INTO THE TRAP. It is better for UN inspectors to leave Syria at once, so that rebels can no longer make up falsehood. As Long as people do not get tricked by rebels, then the constructive way is to view and deter rebel groups as they cause lots of people destruction and damages by making people of the world doing very destructive things to themselves, and UN as well, and this is destroying global people's lives and resources around the world.
UN chief must be disposed and asked to step aside immediately if he still puts inspectors in Syria and continues with the jargon of chemical weapons,, as people worldwide do not want any harms imposed on them.
I been to Syria a couple times. A people more frightened of their government I have never seen. I wish we could help more, but frankly, they will place a higher value on whatever they get if they pay for it themselves. Our record at 'bestowing freedom' isn't that great anyway.
Dak-Original

Leeds, UK

#14258 Aug 26, 2013
MUQ wrote:
<quoted text>
Have scientists predicted anything "positive" about human kind?
I have only seen them talking about deaths, famine, and general misery for human race....why this negative attitude?
Do they not see any thing "positive"?
And mind you NONE of their past negative predictions have been proven true!!
I think a true scientist should never "predict" what will happen in future, it is not their job to do this, They are overstepping their science and scientific methods.
MUQ knows best or the least? LOL! OH!MUQ!

Since: Jun 07

Location hidden

#14259 Aug 26, 2013
RHill wrote:
<quoted text>
You got that right! Human Beings have a very well known ability to work themselves into a religious frenzy where any manner of atrocity is possible. We might feel dirty and used the next day, but that is where the Holy Men step in, telling us that (the book burning, the lynching, the riot, the beheading, the defamation, the war, the pogrom, the torture, the atrocity, the abuse of the innocent) was all right, even justified.
Left unchecked, religion leads to extremism by its very nature.

“Liberty & Justice For All”

Since: Aug 11

United States of America

#14260 Aug 26, 2013
RHill wrote:
<quoted text>
Still not sure where you get a "Flash Freeze" out of this data but, yeah ... you can always throw on another jacket. The bad thing about the reality of CO2 concentrations and Global Warming is that these effects might actually BE GOOD for agriculture, at least temporarily. This will allow the planet to support a much larger population than old Momma Nature might otherwise have seen fitting. Sustainability is definitely NOT a 'the more the merrier' situation. Agriculture is itself a destructive process with it's irrigation/evaporation, insecticides and it's polluting run off by-products. The inevitable crash is just gonna be MORE TERRIBLE THAN ANYONE CAN IMAGINE!!!! LOL
I’m getting the “Flash Freeze” thing from other scientific data, i.e. the flash frozen wooly mammoths and rhinos found in Siberia, etc from the late Pleistocene and early Holocene extinction events circa 12,000 to 13,000 years ago. One frozen baby mammoth was found with one front foot raised as if to take a step and fresh buttercups in her mouth indicating that she was grazing when the temperature was at least 70 degrees F. If meat is frozen slowly, ice crystals form in the blood cells causing the cells to burst and the meat to dehydrate. There was no damage to her blood cells which means the temperature had to have instantly dropped to about minus 150 degrees F where she was grazing to freeze her with flesh intact. Global warming is de-frosting millions of these frozen plants and animals which is also spiking atmospheric methane levels again.

I agree that what has become “traditional” agricultural practices--herbicides, pesticides, chemical fertilizers, over irrigation, no crop rotations, etc--has been very destructive to farm lands, aquifers, and beneficial insects. On the other hand, sustainable agricultural practices, i.e. organic and bio-intensive methods, are not at all destructive to farm lands, aquifers, or benefical insects.

And, increased CO2 levels will not be beneficial for agriculture or water supplies even in the short term. That mythology was fabricated by the oil and timber corporations. Increasing CO2 levels will speed the decline of arable land, food and water and turn green belts into deserts. The Sahara Desert was once lush rain forests, grass lands, and farms before it turned into wasteland around 2000 BC.....

“Liberty & Justice For All”

Since: Aug 11

United States of America

#14261 Aug 26, 2013
MUQ wrote:
<quoted text>
Have scientists predicted anything "positive" about human kind?
I have only seen them talking about deaths, famine, and general misery for human race....why this negative attitude?
Do they not see any thing "positive"?
And mind you NONE of their past negative predictions have been proven true!!
I think a true scientist should never "predict" what will happen in future, it is not their job to do this, They are overstepping their science and scientific methods.
One of the most important purposes of our sciences is to search for, gather and study objective evidence of how every part of the world works and what causes changes, both positive and negative changes. "Killing the messenger" won't change the impacts of cause and effect on the human race...

“Blue Collar Philosopher”

Since: Nov 08

Texas, USA

#14262 Aug 26, 2013
ezdzit wrote:
<quoted text>
I’m getting the “Flash Freeze” thing from other scientific data, i.e. the flash frozen wooly mammoths and rhinos found in Siberia, etc from the late Pleistocene and early Holocene extinction events circa 12,000 to 13,000 years ago. One frozen baby mammoth was found with one front foot raised as if to take a step and fresh buttercups in her mouth indicating that she was grazing when the temperature was at least 70 degrees F. If meat is frozen slowly, ice crystals form in the blood cells causing the cells to burst and the meat to dehydrate. There was no damage to her blood cells which means the temperature had to have instantly dropped to about minus 150 degrees F where she was grazing to freeze her with flesh intact. Global warming is de-frosting millions of these frozen plants and animals which is also spiking atmospheric methane levels again.
I agree that what has become “traditional” agricultural practices--herbicides, pesticides, chemical fertilizers, over irrigation, no crop rotations, etc--has been very destructive to farm lands, aquifers, and beneficial insects. On the other hand, sustainable agricultural practices, i.e. organic and bio-intensive methods, are not at all destructive to farm lands, aquifers, or benefical insects.
And, increased CO2 levels will not be beneficial for agriculture or water supplies even in the short term. That mythology was fabricated by the oil and timber corporations. Increasing CO2 levels will speed the decline of arable land, food and water and turn green belts into deserts. The Sahara Desert was once lush rain forests, grass lands, and farms before it turned into wasteland around 2000 BC.....
Uh ... those extinctions have been associated with a cometary impact up in Canada. " http://phys.org/news/2013-08-evidence-cosmic-... ; ... Don't you keep up with anything?

From 70 to -150F in between steps? We call that a 'Blue Norther' here in Texas ... nothing unusual. There should be plenty of intact DNA from such specimens ... how about 'Pleistocene Park'? We could make a fortune ... spare no expense!

Increasing CO2 cause plants to flourish.

" http://www.nature.com/scitable/knowledge/libr... ;.

Oddly, as the ice melts, green plants pop up.

" http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2013/08/... ;

“Liberty & Justice For All”

Since: Aug 11

United States of America

#14263 Aug 26, 2013
RHill wrote:
<quoted text>
Uh ... those extinctions have been associated with a cometary impact up in Canada. " http://phys.org/news/2013-08-evidence-cosmic-... ; ... Don't you keep up with anything?
There are many competing theories about the causes of the sudden temperature changes.
RHill wrote:
<quoted text>From 70 to -150F in between steps? We call that a 'Blue Norther' here in Texas ... nothing unusual.
Yeah, right.
RHill wrote:
<quoted text>
There should be plenty of intact DNA from such specimens ... how about 'Pleistocene Park'? We could make a fortune ... spare no expense!
Go for it!
RHill wrote:
<quoted text>Increasing CO2 cause plants to flourish.
" http://www.nature.com/scitable/knowledge/libr... ;.
Oddly, as the ice melts, green plants pop up.
" http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2013/08/... ;


And the tobacco corporations have conducted scientific research which proves smoking cigarettes is not harmful....

Since: Jun 07

Location hidden

#14264 Aug 26, 2013
ezdzit wrote:
<quoted text>
There are many competing theories about the causes of the sudden temperature changes.
<quoted text>
Yeah, right.
<quoted text>
Go for it!
<quoted text>
And the tobacco corporations have conducted scientific research which proves smoking cigarettes is not harmful....
But you're an idiot who believes in creationism and denies the fact of evolution.

End of story. You can f*ck off back to your failed cult now moron. Athiests converted = 0.

“There is no Truth in Faith”

Since: Dec 08

nowhere near a pound of $100's

#14265 Aug 26, 2013
emperorjohn wrote:
<quoted text>
In this world, smart people sometimes do dumb things and dumb people on occasion, act wisely.
Take Leopold and Loeb, two smart, rich boys who ruined their whole lives just so they could have fun.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leopold_and_Loeb .
Like these two, religious people forsake common sense for what makes them feel good.
And you think that is something an intelligent person would do?

“There is no Truth in Faith”

Since: Dec 08

nowhere near a pound of $100's

#14266 Aug 26, 2013
Lacez wrote:
<quoted text>
It's not about being smart enough...people who are indoctrinated, no matter how smart, cannot easily break the bonds of their indoctrination.
That's like saying, "Even intelligent people smoke cigarettes." I disagree!

“Blue Collar Philosopher”

Since: Nov 08

Texas, USA

#14267 Aug 26, 2013
ezdzit wrote:
<quoted text>
There are many competing theories about the causes of the sudden temperature changes.
<quoted text>
Yeah, right.
<quoted text>
Go for it!
<quoted text>
And the tobacco corporations have conducted scientific research which proves smoking cigarettes is not harmful....
Maybe, but I like this one. Where else do nanodiamonds, metallic microspherules, carbon spherules, magnetic spherules, iridium, charcoal, soot, and fullerenes enriched in helium-3 come from? Pixie dust? I don't think so.

Okay, maybe I exaggerate. Still, your science seems based on the movie "Day After Tomorrow" rather than the other way around.

You mean you're okay with Pleistocene Park?!?! Even so, with all those well preserved carcasses laying around ... you'd think somebody would have already popped out a few pristine woolies. But they haven't. Why? Because there is no intact DNA from these animals because they froze in quite conventional, ice-crystal forming, nucleus busting, chromosome smashing fashion, just like a reasonable person would expect.

So you don't trust "NATURE"? A well respected scientific, peer-reviewed journal but you're all over ancient Sanskrit translations? Hmmmmmm.

“Liberty & Justice For All”

Since: Aug 11

United States of America

#14268 Aug 26, 2013
RHill wrote:
<quoted text>
Maybe, but I like this one. Where else do nanodiamonds, metallic microspherules, carbon spherules, magnetic spherules, iridium, charcoal, soot, and fullerenes enriched in helium-3 come from? Pixie dust? I don't think so.
Okay, maybe I exaggerate. Still, your science seems based on the movie "Day After Tomorrow" rather than the other way around.
You mean you're okay with Pleistocene Park?!?! Even so, with all those well preserved carcasses laying around ... you'd think somebody would have already popped out a few pristine woolies. But they haven't. Why? Because there is no intact DNA from these animals because they froze in quite conventional, ice-crystal forming, nucleus busting, chromosome smashing fashion, just like a reasonable person would expect.
So you don't trust "NATURE"? A well respected scientific, peer-reviewed journal but you're all over ancient Sanskrit translations? Hmmmmmm.
Russian scientists have extracted Wooly Mammoth DNA from intact red blood cells.

http://phys.org/news/2013-05-russian-scientis...

Finding the carcasses in these remote areas before they start to defrost and decay---and before ivory poachers find them---has been a challenge.

I think "Nature" is a great publication. Read it all the time. And. I think "scientists" who have never done any kind of real farming but publish all kinds of theories about it--peer reviewed by other scientists who have never done any kind of real farming--are very entertaining...

“Educating the uneducated”

Since: Aug 12

Montreal

#14269 Aug 26, 2013
Ooogah Boogah wrote:
<quoted text>That's like saying, "Even intelligent people smoke cigarettes." I disagree!
I take it back.
I was trying to be nice.

There really are way too many idiots in religion.

“Liberty & Justice For All”

Since: Aug 11

United States of America

#14270 Aug 26, 2013
-Skeptic- wrote:
<quoted text>
But you're an idiot who believes in creationism and denies the fact of evolution.
End of story. You can f*ck off back to your failed cult now moron. Athiests converted = 0.
Your evolution theory doesn't explain how humans, i.e. homo sapien sapiens, literally crawled out of their caves and then jumped from the Stone Age into the Space Age in less than 12,000 years.

Why don't YOU explain how humans made that quantum leap in only 300 generations, bubba?

“Blue Collar Philosopher”

Since: Nov 08

Texas, USA

#14271 Aug 26, 2013
ezdzit wrote:
<quoted text>
Russian scientists have extracted Wooly Mammoth DNA from intact red blood cells.
http://phys.org/news/2013-05-russian-scientis...
Finding the carcasses in these remote areas before they start to defrost and decay---and before ivory poachers find them---has been a challenge.
I think "Nature" is a great publication. Read it all the time. And. I think "scientists" who have never done any kind of real farming but publish all kinds of theories about it--peer reviewed by other scientists who have never done any kind of real farming--are very entertaining...
I read somebody was even going to serve up 'Mastodon Burgers'... wonder if that ever happened.

Farming, smarming ... even home botanists know that talking to their plants helps 'em grow. Really, of course, they're huffing and puffing more CO2 their way, but, you know, the talking probably has a therapeutic effect on the talker.

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