Why Atheism Will Replace Religion

Why Atheism Will Replace Religion

There are 14736 comments on the News24 story from Aug 27, 2012, titled Why Atheism Will Replace Religion. In it, News24 reports that:

Please note that for this article "Atheism" also includes agnostics, deists, pagans, wiccans... in other words non-religious.

You will notice this is a statement of fact. And to be fact it is supported by evidence (see references below). Now you can have "faith" that this is not true, but by the very definition of faith, that is just wishful thinking.

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Thinking

Royston, UK

#14165 Aug 19, 2013
How much irreperable brain damage did you suffer in your NDE, blubber?
ezdzit wrote:
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I’m laughing at your blustering attempt to save face after asking yet another loaded question containing yet another totally false assumption. You’re a hoot, bubba!

“Educating the uneducated”

Since: Aug 12

Montreal

#14166 Aug 19, 2013
ezdzit wrote:
<quoted text>How about "you delusional ignorant atheist trolls are soooooo entertaining"?

There's no thing as an "almost" except in horseshoes and hand grenades, bubba.

Schrodinger's Cat.....get it?
So now there's no such thing as almost, time, and DNA.

You just get crazier by the minute.

“Blue Collar Philosopher”

Since: Nov 08

Texas, USA

#14167 Aug 19, 2013
ezdzit wrote:
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Not really. Hindus have a pantheistic belief system with only one diety which they call Brahman. All the other so-called deities are all just different manifestations of Brahman. Christianity teaches that God has only three manifestations--the all male Trinity called Father, Son, and Holy Spirit.
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I never asserted or even implied that Einstein, Bose, Bohr, Heisenberg, Schrödinger, Plank,and hundreds of other scientists were not smart. Those are your words, your strawman--not mine.
I have asserted that it is ignorant people who have all the answers but don’t know the questions.
The “smart people” like Einstein, Bose, Bohr, Heisenberg, Schrödinger, Plank and hundreds of other scientists worked on figuring out the questions and then looked for answers. Niels Bohr said “I go into the Upanishads [Vedas] to ask questions.”
<quoted text>
Truth is the point and “treading the path” to higher consciousness is the “path less traveled” to the truth.
I agree that if everyone took the path less traveled, we’d be fine. Unfortunately, everyone isn’t and it looks like we’re all heading into the sixth human extinction event.
I think a 'so-called deity' is still a deity. I mean, all deities are 'so-called' are they not?

Hey bubba ... you the one that said Western scientists "lifted" their ideas from the Hindu Vedic Texts. You continue to assert this. "Lifted" is another way of saying 'stole' in these parts. If you got to 'lift' or 'steal' your ideas from ancient texts, I'd say you might not be quite as 'smart' as you might like some people to believe. The implication being the 'really smart' ones were the Ancients, not modern scientists who had to 'lift' their ideas.

Here ya go with the "sixth human extinction event" again. I'm afraid you're going to have to spell this out for me. What, where and when were the first 5 human extinction events? I presume one of them was 'Noah's Flood'. Let's hear the other four.

“Think&Care”

Since: Oct 07

Location hidden

#14168 Aug 19, 2013
ezdzit wrote:
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LOL
It really chaps your atheist ass that Einstein and ALL the great minds of the 20th century scientific revolution believed in God, doesn't it, bubba?
Bwaaaaaahahahahahahahahahahaha hahaha.......
Simply false. John Von Neuman, Richard Feynman, Edward Teller, Leo Szilard, and Paul Dirac were all atheist or agnostic.

A quote from Paul Dirac:

"“I don’t know why we are talking about religion,”[Dirac] objected.“If we are honest—and scientists have to be—we must admit that religion is a jumble of false assertions, with no basis in reality. The very idea of God is a product of the human imagination. It is quite understandable why primitive people, who were so much more exposed to the overpowering forces of nature than we are today, should have personified these forces in fear and trembling. But nowadays, when we understand so many natural processes, we have no need for such solutions. I can’t for the life of me see how the postulate of an Almighty God helps us in any way."
Thinking

Royston, UK

#14169 Aug 19, 2013
There was that time when Coca Cola tried to change the taste?
RHill wrote:
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What, where and when were the first 5 human extinction events? I presume one of them was 'Noah's Flood'. Let's hear the other four.
Dak-Original

Belfast, UK

#14170 Aug 19, 2013
Thinking wrote:
There was that time when Coca Cola tried to change the taste?
<quoted text>
Actually, Coca Cola has changed the taste many a times in gradual manner. It was only when they did it significantly in one go that outcry for the original taste emerged.

“Blue Collar Philosopher”

Since: Nov 08

Texas, USA

#14171 Aug 19, 2013
Thinking wrote:
There was that time when Coca Cola tried to change the taste?
<quoted text>
A flavor tsunami of unprecedented proportions. Millions (maybe billions) switched to Pepsi.

Okay ... Noah's flood and New Coke. Need 3 more.

“Blue Collar Philosopher”

Since: Nov 08

Texas, USA

#14172 Aug 19, 2013
Dak-Original wrote:
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Actually, Coca Cola has changed the taste many a times in gradual manner. It was only when they did it significantly in one go that outcry for the original taste emerged.
My friend, it's okay to bad mouth the Jihadists, the Christians and the Jews but when you start knocking Coke, I fear for your life.

I had a $5 'original Coke formula' bottle smuggled in from Mexico here-while-back. Presumably sporting extracts from the plant that lent the drink it's name. Seemed a touch too sweet, otherwise I couldn't tell any difference. Of course, I ended up hitting the Disco's and dancing all night, which was a bit unusual, even for me.

“Liberty & Justice For All”

Since: Aug 11

United States of America

#14173 Aug 19, 2013
RHill wrote:
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I think a 'so-called deity' is still a deity. I mean, all deities are 'so-called' are they not?
Hindus believe God, i.e. Brahman, is the impersonal omniscient, omnipresent, omnipotent spirit in every particle of everything in the universe and that this spirit manifests itself personally in millions/billions of different forms/images in human consciousness. IOW, Shiva, Rama, Krishna, etc. are all just different manifestations of God, i.e. Brahman. Quakers, Transcendentalists, Religious Scientists, etc. believe in a personal God who manifests himself differently to every human. Christians believe God has three manifestations, i.e. Father, Son, Holy Spirit.
RHill wrote:
<quoted text>
Hey bubba ... you the one that said Western scientists "lifted" their ideas from the Hindu Vedic Texts. You continue to assert this. "Lifted" is another way of saying 'stole' in these parts. If you got to 'lift' or 'steal' your ideas from ancient texts, I'd say you might not be quite as 'smart' as you might like some people to believe. The implication being the 'really smart' ones were the Ancients, not modern scientists who had to 'lift' their ideas.
Again, your words, your strawmen--not mine, bubba.

The knowledge obtained from the Akashic Record and written in the Vedic texts is free to all so no one who makes use of it can possibly be described as a “thief”.
RHill wrote:
<quoted text>
Here ya go with the "sixth human extinction event" again. I'm afraid you're going to have to spell this out for me. What, where and when were the first 5 human extinction events? I presume one of them was 'Noah's Flood'. Let's hear the other four.
Human extinction events are posited as the explanation for genetic “bottlenecks” recorded in our DNA and mtDNA, i.e. where the human gene pool indicates only very few contributors. Five different “bottlenecks” have occurred so far indicating five different extinction events for humans in the past.

Here's the current CO2 levels and temperatures recorded in the Anartica ice core samples. Compare them to the different historical CO2 levels and temperatures tracking back 400,000 years:

http://www.daviesand.com/Choices/Precautionar...

The Earth’s current COs levels are unprecedented. According to the data, the earth’s temperatures should have begun plummeting over a hundred years ago. They haven’t. The big question is why not?

“Liberty & Justice For All”

Since: Aug 11

United States of America

#14174 Aug 19, 2013
polymath257 wrote:
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Simply false. John Von Neuman, Richard Feynman, Edward Teller, Leo Szilard, and Paul Dirac were all atheist or agnostic.
A quote from Paul Dirac:
"“I don’t know why we are talking about religion,”[Dirac] objected.“If we are honest—and scientists have to be—we must admit that religion is a jumble of false assertions, with no basis in reality. The very idea of God is a product of the human imagination. It is quite understandable why primitive people, who were so much more exposed to the overpowering forces of nature than we are today, should have personified these forces in fear and trembling. But nowadays, when we understand so many natural processes, we have no need for such solutions. I can’t for the life of me see how the postulate of an Almighty God helps us in any way."
Citing a handful of atheists who are not considered founders of either quantum physics or the 20th century scientific revolution compared to the hundreds of "godbots" who actually were is hardly a valid rebuttal.

Since: Jan 12

Location hidden

#14175 Aug 19, 2013
ezdzit wrote:
<quoted text>
Hindus believe God, i.e. Brahman, is the impersonal omniscient, omnipresent, omnipotent spirit in every particle of everything in the universe and that this spirit manifests itself personally in millions/billions of different forms/images in human consciousness. IOW, Shiva, Rama, Krishna, etc. are all just different manifestations of God, i.e. Brahman. Quakers, Transcendentalists, Religious Scientists, etc. believe in a personal God who manifests himself differently to every human. Christians believe God has three manifestations, i.e. Father, Son, Holy Spirit.
<quoted text>
Again, your words, your strawmen--not mine, bubba.
The knowledge obtained from the Akashic Record and written in the Vedic texts is free to all so no one who makes use of it can possibly be described as a “thief”.
<quoted text>
Human extinction events are posited as the explanation for genetic “bottlenecks” recorded in our DNA and mtDNA, i.e. where the human gene pool indicates only very few contributors. Five different “bottlenecks” have occurred so far indicating five different extinction events for humans in the past.
Here's the current CO2 levels and temperatures recorded in the Anartica ice core samples. Compare them to the different historical CO2 levels and temperatures tracking back 400,000 years:
http://www.daviesand.com/Choices/Precautionar...
The Earth’s current COs levels are unprecedented. According to the data, the earth’s temperatures should have begun plummeting over a hundred years ago. They haven’t. The big question is why not?
Scientific errors in Qu'ran
The sun moves, the earth is still.
Hast thou not Turned thy vision to one who disputed with Abraham About his Lord, because Allah had granted him power? Abraham said: "My Lord is He Who Giveth life and death." He said: "I give life and death". Said Abraham: "But it is Allah that causeth the sun to rise from the east: Do thou then cause him to rise from the West." Thus was he confounded who (in arrogance) rejected faith. Nor doth Allah Give guidance to a people unjust.
Qur'an 2:258

The shadow moves because of the sun's movement, not the earth's movement.
Hast thou not turned thy vision to thy Lord?- How He doth prolong the shadow! If He willed, He could make it stationary! then do We make the sun its guide;
Qur'an 25:45

Everything in the universe goes around us.
And He has made subservient to you whatsoever is in the heavens and whatsoever is in the earth, all, from Himself; most surely there are signs in this for a people who reflect.
Qur'an 45:13

The stars are small enough to drop on us.
And when the stars fall
Qur'an 81:2

Stars or planets rising and setting?
The stars which rise and set
Qur'an 81:16

This verse clearly implies the sun goes around the earth.
It is not for the sun to overtake the moon, nor doth the night outstrip the day. They float in an orbit.
Qur'an 36:40

“Think&Care”

Since: Oct 07

Location hidden

#14176 Aug 19, 2013
ezdzit wrote:
<quoted text>
Citing a handful of atheists who are not considered founders of either quantum physics or the 20th century scientific revolution compared to the hundreds of "godbots" who actually were is hardly a valid rebuttal.
Actually, all the ones I gave *were* involved in the quantum revolution and *are* founders of QM. In particular, Dirac gave the equation that merges special relativity and quantum mechanics and predicted the existence of anti-matter. Feynman was instrumental in the development of quantum electrodynamics. Szliard was the one who convinced Einstein to write the letter concerning the atomic bomb and was deeply involved in the theoretical aspects of fission and fusion. Von Neuman gave much of the mathematical foundation for quantum mechanics and was the person who thought up the stored program computer.

So you were simply wrong when you said that *all* of the main founders of the quantum revolution were believers in God. Many were, but many were not. And none were of a fundamentalist persuasion.

“Blue Collar Philosopher”

Since: Nov 08

Texas, USA

#14177 Aug 19, 2013
ezdzit wrote:
<quoted text>
Hindus believe God, i.e. Brahman, is the impersonal omniscient, omnipresent, omnipotent spirit in every particle of everything in the universe and that this spirit manifests itself personally in millions/billions of different forms/images in human consciousness. IOW, Shiva, Rama, Krishna, etc. are all just different manifestations of God, i.e. Brahman. Quakers, Transcendentalists, Religious Scientists, etc. believe in a personal God who manifests himself differently to every human. Christians believe God has three manifestations, i.e. Father, Son, Holy Spirit.
<quoted text>
Again, your words, your strawmen--not mine, bubba.
The knowledge obtained from the Akashic Record and written in the Vedic texts is free to all so no one who makes use of it can possibly be described as a “thief”.
<quoted text>
Human extinction events are posited as the explanation for genetic “bottlenecks” recorded in our DNA and mtDNA, i.e. where the human gene pool indicates only very few contributors. Five different “bottlenecks” have occurred so far indicating five different extinction events for humans in the past.
Here's the current CO2 levels and temperatures recorded in the Anartica ice core samples. Compare them to the different historical CO2 levels and temperatures tracking back 400,000 years:
http://www.daviesand.com/Choices/Precautionar...
The Earth’s current COs levels are unprecedented. According to the data, the earth’s temperatures should have begun plummeting over a hundred years ago. They haven’t. The big question is why not?
Okay, that's all well and good. I should point out that rising CO2 levels DECREASE the amount of Infra-red (heat) energy re-radiated back into space, thus INCREASING surface temperatures. It acts as a "green house" gas, trapping heat that would have otherwise been lost, ergo "Global Warming" .. temperatures rising. This is the second time you have seemed to be expecting a new Ice Age because of rising CO2 levels. This reflects a fundamental lack of understanding the concepts involved which, I am sorry to say, can logically be extended to other, far more complex concepts in which you apparently place a great deal of faith.

Please don't take this the wrong way ... but ... I think you would do well to review a few things. In any case, it's been interesting and informative and I will have to go over some of this Vedic stuff in relation to 20th Century scientific thought. Ultimately, whether it was humans back then, or humans in more recent times that made these concepts real doesn't matter. At least you are not claiming some kind of divine intervention. It's Humans all the way Bubba and that's what matters.

“Liberty & Justice For All”

Since: Aug 11

United States of America

#14178 Aug 19, 2013
polymath257 wrote:
<quoted text>
Actually, all the ones I gave *were* involved in the quantum revolution and *are* founders of QM. In particular, Dirac gave the equation that merges special relativity and quantum mechanics and predicted the existence of anti-matter. Feynman was instrumental in the development of quantum electrodynamics. Szliard was the one who convinced Einstein to write the letter concerning the atomic bomb and was deeply involved in the theoretical aspects of fission and fusion. Von Neuman gave much of the mathematical foundation for quantum mechanics and was the person who thought up the stored program computer.

So you were simply wrong when you said that *all* of the main founders of the quantum revolution were believers in God. Many were, but many were not. And none were of a fundamentalist persuasion.
Max Plank published Planck's constant in 1899 and Planck's postulate in 1900. His work on black body radiation completely changed the paradigm and this event is regarded as the birth of quantum physics and the launch of the 20th century scientific revolution. All the scientists you cited were either still in diapers or hadn't even been born yet. I'm not saying they didn't make valuable contributions later; I'm just saying they made their contributions AFTER the the revelution was well underway/

I totally agree that none of the "godbot" founders of quantum physics were of the fundamentalist persuasion.

“Liberty & Justice For All”

Since: Aug 11

United States of America

#14179 Aug 19, 2013
RHill wrote:
<quoted text>
Okay, that's all well and good. I should point out that rising CO2 levels DECREASE the amount of Infra-red (heat) energy re-radiated back into space, thus INCREASING surface temperatures. It acts as a "green house" gas, trapping heat that would have otherwise been lost, ergo "Global Warming" .. temperatures rising. This is the second time you have seemed to be expecting a new Ice Age because of rising CO2 levels. This reflects a fundamental lack of understanding the concepts involved which, I am sorry to say, can logically be extended to other, far more complex concepts in which you apparently place a great deal of faith.
Please don't take this the wrong way ... but ... I think you would do well to review a few things. In any case, it's been interesting and informative and I will have to go over some of this Vedic stuff in relation to 20th Century scientific thought. Ultimately, whether it was humans back then, or humans in more recent times that made these concepts real doesn't matter. At least you are not claiming some kind of divine intervention. It's Humans all the way Bubba and that's what matters.
LOL

Better clean your glasses and take another look, a real good look, at current CO2 levels on the ice core graph. See the blue lines on the graph? Those blue lines chart the rise and fall of the Earth’s temperatures over the last 400,000 years. The highest blue line peaks chart the Earth’s highest temperatures and when the blue lines go down and keep going down that’s where temperatures are dropping and keep dropping until a glaciation event occurs. Glaciation events are a completely natural, normal part of the Earth’s cycle. The fact that the earth is still warming and not cooling right now is completely abnornal.

“Think&Care”

Since: Oct 07

Location hidden

#14180 Aug 19, 2013
ezdzit wrote:
<quoted text>
Max Plank published Planck's constant in 1899 and Planck's postulate in 1900. His work on black body radiation completely changed the paradigm and this event is regarded as the birth of quantum physics and the launch of the 20th century scientific revolution. All the scientists you cited were either still in diapers or hadn't even been born yet. I'm not saying they didn't make valuable contributions later; I'm just saying they made their contributions AFTER the the revelution was well underway/
I totally agree that none of the "godbot" founders of quantum physics were of the fundamentalist persuasion.
I see. So you are limiting yourself to the 'early' quantum theory that was later replaced because it was a mishmash of classical mechanics and a bit of quantum reasoning. While Planck, Bohr, and Einstein definitely deserved credit as leading the revolution, they certainly did not complete it in any sense. At best, they got it off the ground, acting more like a transitional government than real revolutionaries. The real depths of the 20th century revolution were done by the next generation who were in diapers in 1900. Both Planck and Einstein, in fact, fought against the newer versions of quantum theory, continuing to think in primarily classical terms. Einstein went to his grave denying the insights of quantum mechanics.

Since: Mar 11

Henderson, KY

#14181 Aug 19, 2013
Stop killing children for Allah and people will warm up to Muslims. Deal?
MUQ wrote:
<quoted text>
Ans.
You do not know how many people are being oppressed in India every day.
Do you know that most part of Kashmir is under curfew for more than ten days?
You in world media do not give a damn about what a country does to its Muslim population.
India has many good qualities, but the media is in control of a few, who try to create bad blood between its people.\

“Liberty & Justice For All”

Since: Aug 11

United States of America

#14182 Aug 19, 2013
polymath257 wrote:
<quoted text>
I see. So you are limiting yourself to the 'early' quantum theory that was later replaced because it was a mishmash of classical mechanics and a bit of quantum reasoning. While Planck, Bohr, and Einstein definitely deserved credit as leading the revolution, they certainly did not complete it in any sense. At best, they got it off the ground, acting more like a transitional government than real revolutionaries. The real depths of the 20th century revolution were done by the next generation who were in diapers in 1900. Both Planck and Einstein, in fact, fought against the newer versions of quantum theory, continuing to think in primarily classical terms. Einstein went to his grave denying the insights of quantum mechanics.
The issue is your accusation in this post:
polymath257 wrote:
<quoted text>
So you were simply wrong when you said that *all* of the main founders of the quantum revolution were believers in God. Many were, but many were not. And none were of a fundamentalist persuasion.
I was not wrong. All of the founders of quantum physics and the new 20th century scientific revolution were in fact believers in God.

“Blue Collar Philosopher”

Since: Nov 08

Texas, USA

#14183 Aug 19, 2013
ezdzit wrote:
<quoted text>
LOL
Better clean your glasses and take another look, a real good look, at current CO2 levels on the ice core graph. See the blue lines on the graph? Those blue lines chart the rise and fall of the Earth’s temperatures over the last 400,000 years. The highest blue line peaks chart the Earth’s highest temperatures and when the blue lines go down and keep going down that’s where temperatures are dropping and keep dropping until a glaciation event occurs. Glaciation events are a completely natural, normal part of the Earth’s cycle. The fact that the earth is still warming and not cooling right now is completely abnornal.
I didn't even notice the big CO2 spike at the end (most recent) part of the graph. 10000 years per division isn't 'high res' enough to get too carried away. The CO2/Temperature correlation apparently is not perfectly synchronized. In fact, that graph is ambiguous enough that at some points, the temp LEADS the CO2. Wouldn't THAT be a hoot!! Maybe global temperatures rise (for reasons unknown), methane hydrates sublimate causing a run-a-way greenhouse effect and (somewhat later) desiccated forests catch fire, dumping their carbon load. Maybe we're looking at two 'effects' rather than a Cause and Effect. Who knows? The Global Alarmists? I don't think so.
MUQ

Qatif, Saudi Arabia

#14184 Aug 19, 2013
RHill wrote:
<quoted text>
I didn't even notice the big CO2 spike at the end (most recent) part of the graph. 10000 years per division isn't 'high res' enough to get too carried away. The CO2/Temperature correlation apparently is not perfectly synchronized. In fact, that graph is ambiguous enough that at some points, the temp LEADS the CO2. Wouldn't THAT be a hoot!! Maybe global temperatures rise (for reasons unknown), methane hydrates sublimate causing a run-a-way greenhouse effect and (somewhat later) desiccated forests catch fire, dumping their carbon load. Maybe we're looking at two 'effects' rather than a Cause and Effect. Who knows? The Global Alarmists? I don't think so.
In all these arguments and counter arguments, many people "forget" that there is also a Creator of this earth, who has final say in these matters.

We have seen "experts" arguing and counter arguing till the cows come home, not even knowing that universe is working not on their whims and fancies, but some one who Created it.

And that is why we see EVERY Prediction of these scientists regarding earth and its future has gone wrong!!

They are talking about matters about which they have no knowledge!!

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