Why Atheism Will Replace Religion

Why Atheism Will Replace Religion

There are 14735 comments on the News24 story from Aug 27, 2012, titled Why Atheism Will Replace Religion. In it, News24 reports that:

Please note that for this article "Atheism" also includes agnostics, deists, pagans, wiccans... in other words non-religious.

You will notice this is a statement of fact. And to be fact it is supported by evidence (see references below). Now you can have "faith" that this is not true, but by the very definition of faith, that is just wishful thinking.

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Since: Feb 09

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#13288 Jul 15, 2013
ezdzit wrote:
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You don't have to be a "godbot" for your mind to become awakened from its sleep, bubba.
If you weren’t born awakened, you can become awakened by following the path to higher consciousness. It’s been known and practiced in different cultures and spiritual traditions for about 12,000 years and can be walked by people of any religious belief, including atheists like you.
All children are born awake and Atheist. They fall asleep after birth because of being around sleeping people, like yourself, who are very offended when they are told they exist only in the mechanical levels of consciousness.

What good does it do you to know that higher states of Consciousness exist when you refuse to give up the very thing that prevents you from participating in them,[yourself]?

You are not participating in what the Universe is doing because you are a mechanical mad machine. Every thought that passes through your head you claim as your own, you believe in all that noise and until you can see it for what it is you will remain in a kind of waking state, a level much lower than any conscious level that an evolved man can achieve.

The first delusion you have to get rid of is the one that there is a God. There is no God.

“Liberty & Justice For All”

Since: Aug 11

United States of America

#13289 Jul 15, 2013
RHill wrote:
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Well, Bubba, sounds like what we have here is another religion. You got your Heaven (higher consciousness), your Hell (remaining a "Sleep Walker"), your High Priests (Whitehead and the 'historical persons' you cited). You toss in some dogma ('spiritual teachings of the last 10,000 years), garnish with some jargon (Quantum Mechanics, "synchronicity"), blend in a little divine ("knowledge that came from a source other than a human mind"), season lightly with Truth (we are 'seekers') and VOILA!!! A Religion. You are correct in one thing ... there's nothing new under the sun.
You wrote:
RHill wrote:
<quoted text>.....“So ... all of those people have attained 'higher consciousness'? Do you think that something you have to attain a different level of consciousness to perceive or understand might not, you know, really exist? Throw me out another example ... preferably something that exists outside the human mind. Something tangible....
You asked for an example, I gave you the example of Ramanujan who clearly, beyond any doubt, obtained his knowledge of mathematics from “something that exists outside the human mind.”

And FYI, Jung and Whitehead were both agnostic, Erich Fromm was an atheist, etc. so your claim that these people were some kind of "High Priests" for a "religion" is just plain ignorant, bubba.

Since: Feb 09

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#13290 Jul 15, 2013
ezdzit wrote:
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, bubba.
Why does "all" mean "some" to you?

Justice and liberty for some. That is what you mean. Why not tell the truth and just admit it?
Brit Expat

Paulhan, France

#13291 Jul 15, 2013
Reverend Alan wrote:
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All children are born awake and Atheist. They fall asleep after birth because of being around sleeping people, like yourself, who are very offended when they are told they exist only in the mechanical levels of consciousness.
What good does it do you to know that higher states of Consciousness exist when you refuse to give up the very thing that prevents you from participating in them,[yourself]?
You are not participating in what the Universe is doing because you are a mechanical mad machine. Every thought that passes through your head you claim as your own, you believe in all that noise and until you can see it for what it is you will remain in a kind of waking state, a level much lower than any conscious level that an evolved man can achieve.
The first delusion you have to get rid of is the one that there is a God. There is no God.
I agree 100%. After birth children have to overcome "brainwashing".

The intelligent do and become atheists.

Cyril aged 83.
Dak-Original

Slough, UK

#13292 Jul 15, 2013
ezdzit wrote:
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Here's a big bite of reality for ya, bubba. The science of genetics does NOT have us all pegged genetically right back to your mythical "Primordial Ooze". The genetic trail for all modern humans ends with “the 7 Daughters of Eve” circa 50,000 BC. Why don't you take a big bite of REALITY and become part of the solution (knowledge) rather than a part of the problem (ignorance)?
The Genome Project 2003 has now proven the fact of the Evolution of Species. Many humanoid species perished and one Homo Sapien survived but with traces of DNA (up to 4% in traditional populations outside of southern Africa) from Neaderthals, etc homonoid specis. Neaderthals were about only about 10k years ago. Our closest living speces: Chimps/Bonobos. You do not like facts and would rather believe in one of umpteen creation tales invented by humans.
Dak-Original

Slough, UK

#13293 Jul 15, 2013
Brit Expat wrote:
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I agree 100%. After birth children have to overcome "brainwashing".
The intelligent do and become atheists.
Cyril aged 83.
Atheism is as much a belief as that of the religion followers. I do believe in GOD but not religions. However, then it is a belief and not a fact. Religion followers are brainwashed into thinking that human invented religions are divine and tales of creation are "facts".

Most atheist I meet are far more rational than religion followers but I met one who took her atheism far too seriously and appeared to want a temple of atheism!

“Liberty & Justice For All”

Since: Aug 11

United States of America

#13294 Jul 15, 2013
polymath257 wrote:
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Leonard Euler was also one of the most creative mathematicians ever. Ramanujan was a bit less broad in his creativity. But then, Euler was working much earlier. I'd say it is difficult to judge which was more creative, especially since Ramanujan died so young and Euler went blind, but kept up his publication. Also, Euler supplied proofs and Ramanujan did not.
Besides being irrelevant to RHill’s question, comparing Ramanujan to Euler is like comparing apples to oranges, bubba.

Euler had an excellent formal education in mathematics and was mentored by one the most brilliant mathematicians in Europe. Ramanujan had NO education in mathematics or anything else, formal or otherwise, and no access to any books about mathematics or anything else. He clearly stated his mathematical knowledge came from dreams/visions which he credited to a Hindu goddess named Namagiri.

RHill wrote:
RHill wrote:
<quoted text>.....“So ... all of those people have attained 'higher consciousness'? Do you think that something you have to attain a different level of consciousness to perceive or understand might not, you know, really exist? Throw me out another example ... preferably something that exists outside the human mind. Something tangible....
He asked for an example of higher consciousness, I gave him the example of Ramanujan who clearly obtained his knowledge of mathematics from “something that exists outside the human mind.”

If you have some other explanation for how a "godbot" like Ramanujan obtained his knowledge, let's hear it.

“Liberty & Justice For All”

Since: Aug 11

United States of America

#13295 Jul 15, 2013
Reverend Alan wrote:
<quoted text>
All children are born awake and Atheist. They fall asleep after birth because of being around sleeping people, like yourself, who are very offended when they are told they exist only in the mechanical levels of consciousness.
What good does it do you to know that higher states of Consciousness exist when you refuse to give up the very thing that prevents you from participating in them,[yourself]?
You are not participating in what the Universe is doing because you are a mechanical mad machine. Every thought that passes through your head you claim as your own, you believe in all that noise and until you can see it for what it is you will remain in a kind of waking state, a level much lower than any conscious level that an evolved man can achieve.
The first delusion you have to get rid of is the one that there is a God. There is no God.
Bwaaaaahahahahahahahahahahahah ahahahaha.....

“Liberty & Justice For All”

Since: Aug 11

United States of America

#13296 Jul 15, 2013
Dak-Original wrote:
<quoted text>
The Genome Project 2003 has now proven the fact of the Evolution of Species. Many humanoid species perished and one Homo Sapien survived but with traces of DNA (up to 4% in traditional populations outside of southern Africa) from Neaderthals, etc homonoid specis. Neaderthals were about only about 10k years ago. Our closest living speces: Chimps/Bonobos. You do not like facts and would rather believe in one of umpteen creation tales invented by humans.
You're entitled to your own opinions, but not your own "facts"

Bwaaaaaahahahahahhahhhahhahaha hahahhah.....

Since: Mar 11

Henderson, KY

#13297 Jul 15, 2013
Ramanujan if he even existed was a wealthy prince surrounded and taught by the greatest minds in India. When you are a wealthy prince who has a thirst for knowledge it's easy to obtain.

Anything else I can help you with?
ezdzit wrote:
Besides being irrelevant to RHill’s question, comparing Ramanujan to Euler is like comparing apples to oranges, bubba.

Euler had an excellent formal education in mathematics and was mentored by one the most brilliant mathematicians in Europe. Ramanujan had NO education in mathematics or anything else, formal or otherwise, and no access to any books about mathematics or anything else. He clearly stated his mathematical knowledge came from dreams/visions which he credited to a Hindu goddess named Namagiri.

RHill wrote:

RHill wrote, "<quoted text>.....“So ... all of those people have attained 'higher consciousness'? Do you think that something you have to attain a different level of consciousness to perceive or understand might not, you know, really exist? Throw me out another example ... preferably something that exists outside the human mind. Something tangible...."

He asked for an example of higher consciousness, I gave him the example of Ramanujan who clearly obtained his knowledge of mathematics from “something that exists outside the human mind.”

If you have some other explanation for how a "godbot" like Ramanujan obtained his knowledge, let's hear it.
Dak-Original

Slough, UK

#13298 Jul 15, 2013
ezdzit wrote:
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You're entitled to your own opinions, but not your own "facts"
Bwaaaaaahahahahahhahhhahhahaha hahahhah.....
Opinion based on facts counts more than those who accept dogmas and tales of creation as facts.
Brit Expat

Paulhan, France

#13299 Jul 15, 2013
Dak-Original wrote:
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Atheism is as much a belief as that of the religion followers. I do believe in GOD but not religions. However, then it is a belief and not a fact. Religion followers are brainwashed into thinking that human invented religions are divine and tales of creation are "facts".
Most atheist I meet are far more rational than religion followers but I met one who took her atheism far too seriously and appeared to want a temple of atheism!
Atheism is not a belief but a matter of logical fact.

A study of astronomy might be helpful.

As for your "atheist friend". Perhaps there was an underlying mental illness there?

Kindest regards. Cyril aged 83.
Brit Expat

Paulhan, France

#13300 Jul 15, 2013
ezdzit wrote:
<quoted text>
You're entitled to your own opinions, but not your own "facts"
Bwaaaaaahahahahahhahhhahhahaha hahahhah.....
Hmmm. All is said and sums up religious types and thier response.

Bwaaaaaahahahahahhahhhahhahaha hahahhah... How very sad.

Cyril.
Dak-Original

Slough, UK

#13301 Jul 15, 2013
Brit Expat wrote:
<quoted text>
Atheism is not a belief but a matter of logical fact.
A study of astronomy might be helpful.
As for your "atheist friend". Perhaps there was an underlying mental illness there?
Kindest regards. Cyril aged 83.
GOD or mystery behind matter, non-matter, physical laws. life and its urge to continue via transfer of genes, etc cannot be explained by astronomy only. Religions are all human constructs of recent few millenia at the most.

“Liberty & Justice For All”

Since: Aug 11

United States of America

#13302 Jul 15, 2013
Dak-Original wrote:
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Now you are being a racist. Admittedly, Jews wanderings will change them as some admixture always occurs and the weather may induce some mutations. Did you not hear of Nigerian parents in London had a white baby and the DNA proved that the bay's father was her dad- a black Nigerian!
Okay, how would you call white muslim Syrians that I have met and you can see them on TV these days?
Genetic tests indicates that 90% of todays Jews, i.e. the Ashkenazi, never had any ancestors who "wandered" around the Middle East, therefore Ashkenazi Jews can not possibly be the blood descendants of Abraham nor do they have any ancestral ties to any country in the ME, including Palestine.

“Liberty & Justice For All”

Since: Aug 11

United States of America

#13303 Jul 15, 2013
Brit Expat wrote:
<quoted text>
Atheism is not a belief but a matter of logical fact.
A study of astronomy might be helpful.
As for your "atheist friend". Perhaps there was an underlying mental illness there?
Kindest regards. Cyril aged 83.
Atheism is just another man-made religion which is based on FAITH in a set of beliefs. You atheists have absolutely enormous faith that your mental constructs of reality actually represent objective reality despite all evidence to the contrary.
Brit Expat

Paulhan, France

#13304 Jul 15, 2013
Dak-Original wrote:
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GOD or mystery behind matter, non-matter, physical laws. life and its urge to continue via transfer of genes, etc cannot be explained by astronomy only. Religions are all human constructs of recent few millenia at the most.
Agree again! Religion is man invented nonsense for control purposes.

Tell me religious types! Who wrote the bible/Quran ect ect. GOD or scheming men??? To control YOU!!!!!!!!! It's called POLITICS.

This religious nonsense shafts you daily. Grow up! You live and you die, sooner or later.

Cyril. Aged 83.

“Blue Collar Philosopher”

Since: Nov 08

Texas, USA

#13305 Jul 15, 2013
ezdzit wrote:
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Here's a big bite of reality for ya, bubba. The science of genetics does NOT have us all pegged genetically right back to your mythical "Primordial Ooze". The genetic trail for all modern humans ends with “the 7 Daughters of Eve” circa 50,000 BC. Why don't you take a big bite of REALITY and become part of the solution (knowledge) rather than a part of the problem (ignorance)?
Okay ... maybe not "pegged" but every living thing on the planet has one thing in common ... DNA. Surely by the time our ancestral life-form crawled up onto land our basic layout was well established. Bilateral symmetry, rudimentary lungs, appendages, brain case, gut, etc. It's ridiculous to ignore or deny our relationship to these animals. You're the one swimming in dee Nile.
Brit Expat

Paulhan, France

#13306 Jul 15, 2013
ezdzit wrote:
<quoted text>
Atheism is just another man-made religion which is based on FAITH in a set of beliefs. You atheists have absolutely enormous faith that your mental constructs of reality actually represent objective reality despite all evidence to the contrary.
Your "Evidence" to the contrary could be interesting?????

Please continue!

But! PLEASE, no quotes from crappy novels!

“Blue Collar Philosopher”

Since: Nov 08

Texas, USA

#13307 Jul 15, 2013
ezdzit wrote:
<quoted text>
Besides being irrelevant to RHill’s question, comparing Ramanujan to Euler is like comparing apples to oranges, bubba.
Euler had an excellent formal education in mathematics and was mentored by one the most brilliant mathematicians in Europe. Ramanujan had NO education in mathematics or anything else, formal or otherwise, and no access to any books about mathematics or anything else. He clearly stated his mathematical knowledge came from dreams/visions which he credited to a Hindu goddess named Namagiri.
RHill wrote:
<quoted text>
He asked for an example of higher consciousness, I gave him the example of Ramanujan who clearly obtained his knowledge of mathematics from “something that exists outside the human mind.”
If you have some other explanation for how a "godbot" like Ramanujan obtained his knowledge, let's hear it.
We are all capable, to one degree or another of grasping mathematics, solving problems, using logic, learning a musical instrument, composing a poem or writing a Sonnet, etc. Some are more adept than others. Most 'prodigies' will tell you that they still have to study. They are not 'created' with some special knowledge, but rather, an extraordinary ability to think or focus or something. Nothing magical about it.

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