Why Atheism Will Replace Religion

Why Atheism Will Replace Religion

There are 14671 comments on the News24 story from Aug 27, 2012, titled Why Atheism Will Replace Religion. In it, News24 reports that:

Please note that for this article "Atheism" also includes agnostics, deists, pagans, wiccans... in other words non-religious.

You will notice this is a statement of fact. And to be fact it is supported by evidence (see references below). Now you can have "faith" that this is not true, but by the very definition of faith, that is just wishful thinking.

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Since: Mar 11

Louisville, KY

#12893 Jul 7, 2013
Very well said.
I_see_you wrote:
<quoted text>It doesn't make me angry, it makes me sad....This world could be a much better place and people like you want it to stay the way it is. It's very sad. I get angry about you and your friends lack of social skills, and your constant posts of name calling, anger, hate, and ridiculous responses. It also makes me sick that you have such a high demand for that kind of reaction to be given in return. To me you are all sad individuals who are bored, and have nothing else to do but to fake a liking for a religion that you make it obvious that you don't follow.

Since: Mar 11

Louisville, KY

#12894 Jul 7, 2013
Sad little racist doesn't realize Jesus, if he even existed, was a Jew.
ezdzit wrote:
<quoted text>This Islamophobia message was brought to you by yet another liar-for-hire shilling for shekels on Topix and paid for by the Israeli Ministry of Hasbara (Hebrew for propaganda).

Since: Jan 12

Location hidden

#12895 Jul 7, 2013
ezdzit wrote:
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This Islamophobia message was brought to you by yet another liar-for-hire shilling for shekels on Topix and paid for by the Israeli Ministry of Hasbara (Hebrew for propaganda).
Instead of name calling, why don't you provide evidence of where my statements are untrue?

Saddam Hussein, Omar Qaddafi and Al Assad are by no means heroes. Each has elicited the hatred and of their own people. Hussein and Qaddafi were captured and humiliated by their own people. Al Assad cannot last in power- 100,000 have died.

If you support Islamic rule, or shariah, at all costs why don't you say so instead of bashing others? Not supporting shariah, is NOT Islamophobia.You have shown no tolerance, respect or understanding of any position other than your own.

“Liberty & Justice For All”

Since: Aug 11

United States of America

#12896 Jul 7, 2013
Truth wrote:
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That contradicts itself, your saying without god nothing would exist but if that where true god himself could not exist without a god to create him which in turn creates a never ending string of gods creating each other.
There's no contradiction.

"....When Stephen Hawking, George Ellis, and Roger Penrose extended the equations for general relativity to include space and time, the results showed that time has a beginning - at the moment of creation (i.e., the Big Bang). In fact, if you examine university websites, you will find that many professors make such a claim - that the universe had a beginning and that this beginning marked the beginning of time . Such assertions support the Bible's claim that time began at the creation of the universe.

Conclusion: God has no need to have been created, since He exists either outside time (where cause and effect do not operate) or within multiple dimensions of time (such that there is no beginning of God's plane of time). Hence God is eternal, having never been created. Although it is possible that the universe itself is eternal, eliminating the need for its creation, observational evidence contradicts this hypothesis, since the universe began to exist a finite ~13.8 billion years ago. The only possible escape for the atheist is the invention of a kind of super universe, which can never be confirmed experimentally (hence it is metaphysical in nature, and not scientific)....."

http://www.godandscience.org/apologetics/who_...

Since atheists don't believe in metaphysics, you really can't present any kind of an argument from that position, can you?

“Liberty & Justice For All”

Since: Aug 11

United States of America

#12897 Jul 7, 2013
Jim Justice wrote:
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Instead of name calling, why don't you provide evidence of where my statements are untrue?
Saddam Hussein, Omar Qaddafi and Al Assad are by no means heroes. Each has elicited the hatred and of their own people. Hussein and Qaddafi were captured and humiliated by their own people. Al Assad cannot last in power- 100,000 have died.
If you support Islamic rule, or shariah, at all costs why don't you say so instead of bashing others? Not supporting shariah, is NOT Islamophobia.You have shown no tolerance, respect or understanding of any position other than your own.
Your post was just one of the typical generic rants the Israeli ministry of hasbara emails to all its liars-for-hire, bubba. One can only refute alleged facts and since you provided no links to any credible sources, the garbage you posted is all just your bigoted racist opinions, bubba.
Truth

Jupiter, FL

#12898 Jul 7, 2013
ezdzit wrote:
<quoted text>
There's no contradiction.
"....When Stephen Hawking, George Ellis, and Roger Penrose extended the equations for general relativity to include space and time, the results showed that time has a beginning - at the moment of creation (i.e., the Big Bang). In fact, if you examine university websites, you will find that many professors make such a claim - that the universe had a beginning and that this beginning marked the beginning of time . Such assertions support the Bible's claim that time began at the creation of the universe.
Conclusion: God has no need to have been created, since He exists either outside time (where cause and effect do not operate) or within multiple dimensions of time (such that there is no beginning of God's plane of time). Hence God is eternal, having never been created. Although it is possible that the universe itself is eternal, eliminating the need for its creation, observational evidence contradicts this hypothesis, since the universe began to exist a finite ~13.8 billion years ago. The only possible escape for the atheist is the invention of a kind of super universe, which can never be confirmed experimentally (hence it is metaphysical in nature, and not scientific)....."
http://www.godandscience.org/apologetics/who_...
Since atheists don't believe in metaphysics, you really can't present any kind of an argument from that position, can you?
Its absolutely a contradiction because you said nothing could exist unless god created it, so with that line of thinking a god could not exist unless a god created it. Yes the universe had a beginning but that in no way proves a god or divine intervention. Your using a god of the gaps fallacy and plugging him in where you think he fits. Stephen hawkings himself said no god was needed for the creation of the universe.
Truth

Jupiter, FL

#12899 Jul 7, 2013
ezdzit wrote:
<quoted text>
There's no contradiction.
"....When Stephen Hawking, George Ellis, and Roger Penrose extended the equations for general relativity to include space and time, the results showed that time has a beginning - at the moment of creation (i.e., the Big Bang). In fact, if you examine university websites, you will find that many professors make such a claim - that the universe had a beginning and that this beginning marked the beginning of time . Such assertions support the Bible's claim that time began at the creation of the universe.
Conclusion: God has no need to have been created, since He exists either outside time (where cause and effect do not operate) or within multiple dimensions of time (such that there is no beginning of God's plane of time). Hence God is eternal, having never been created. Although it is possible that the universe itself is eternal, eliminating the need for its creation, observational evidence contradicts this hypothesis, since the universe began to exist a finite ~13.8 billion years ago. The only possible escape for the atheist is the invention of a kind of super universe, which can never be confirmed experimentally (hence it is metaphysical in nature, and not scientific)....."
http://www.godandscience.org/apologetics/who_...
Since atheists don't believe in metaphysics, you really can't present any kind of an argument from that position, can you?
Sure I can make an argument, considering we can view natural processes in the universe operating without divine intervention, we see new forms of life evolving without divine intervention. You are saying the only way someone can argue your claim of god is if they believe in god that's absurd. Your also saying atheists need a super universe (which is not true) but such a universe cant be confirmed, but then you turn around and present a super natural being who exists outside of space and time. How do you not see the hypocrisy in that argument your demanding absolute proof for scientist for you to believe them but you blindly believe in a supernatural being.

“There is no Truth in Faith”

Since: Dec 08

nowhere near a pound of $100's

#12901 Jul 7, 2013
ezdzit wrote:
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The evidence for the existence of God can be found in Whitehead's Theory of Actual Occasion, i.e. according to the law of cause and effect, God is the First Cause.
Rationally, without God, nothing would exist because without a First Cause (God), the Big Bang and the billions of years of sequential causes and effects which produced the universe, our planet and all life on Earth, including humans, would simply never have happened.....
If you want to see God for yourself, there's only one way: purge your soul of all filth, corruption, envy, hate, fear, jealousy, and repent ALL of your past sins. Purify yourself.
Matthew 5:8 "Blessed are the pure in heart for they shall see God." -- Yeshua ben Yosef
Unless and until you become willing to follow this ancient spiritual path taught by Essenism, Buddhism, Yoga, Shintoism, Sufism, Hinduism, etc. your mind will never evolve to higher consciousness and you will never see, hear, or feel God.
Yeah, this is brainwashing BS. "purify" yourself until you see God, if you don't see God then you haven't purified yourself enough. Bull crap! Self delusion is all this is.

“Liberty & Justice For All”

Since: Aug 11

United States of America

#12902 Jul 7, 2013
Truth wrote:
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Its absolutely a contradiction because you said nothing could exist unless god created it, so with that line of thinking a god could not exist unless a god created it. Yes the universe had a beginning but that in no way proves a god or divine intervention. Your using a god of the gaps fallacy and plugging him in where you think he fits. Stephen hawkings himself said no god was needed for the creation of the universe.
Try to wrap your head around the concept that there was no time and no cause and effect until the Big Bang happened. Got it? Stephen Hawking confirmed scientifically that the universe had a beginning. His opinion that the universe spontaneously created itself, i.e. came into being as a result of gravity, contradicts his own science because gravity did not exist prior to the Big Bang and therefore could not have caused the Big Bang. It's a great gimmick for selling his new book, but otherwise worthless.

“There is no Truth in Faith”

Since: Dec 08

nowhere near a pound of $100's

#12903 Jul 7, 2013
ezdzit wrote:
<quoted text>
Try to wrap your head around the concept that there was no time and no cause and effect until the Big Bang happened. Got it? Stephen Hawking confirmed scientifically that the universe had a beginning. His opinion that the universe spontaneously created itself, i.e. came into being as a result of gravity, contradicts his own science because gravity did not exist prior to the Big Bang and therefore could not have caused the Big Bang. It's a great gimmick for selling his new book, but otherwise worthless.
He was speaking of "The Universe as we know it.". At no time did he claim there was nothing before the Big Bang, just that we don't know what the universe was like before that event. Since matter and energy have never been created nor destroyed, it only changes form, the likelihood is matter and energy have always existed and there is no need for a creator.
Truth

Jupiter, FL

#12905 Jul 7, 2013
ezdzit wrote:
<quoted text>
Try to wrap your head around the concept that there was no time and no cause and effect until the Big Bang happened. Got it? Stephen Hawking confirmed scientifically that the universe had a beginning. His opinion that the universe spontaneously created itself, i.e. came into being as a result of gravity, contradicts his own science because gravity did not exist prior to the Big Bang and therefore could not have caused the Big Bang. It's a great gimmick for selling his new book, but otherwise worthless.
Oh no I got it but its a huge contradiction, if your agreeing that there was no cause and effect before the big bang and no time then you are eliminating the possibility of a creator. You can not argue that there was no cause before the big bang and then turn around and argue that god was the cause of the big bang. also if your acknowledging no time existed it would be impossible for a creator to have existed.

“Liberty & Justice For All”

Since: Aug 11

United States of America

#12906 Jul 7, 2013
Ooogah Boogah wrote:
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Yeah, this is brainwashing BS. "purify" yourself until you see God, if you don't see God then you haven't purified yourself enough. Bull crap! Self delusion is all this is.
Although, the history of civilization records many exceptionally gifted individuals who seem to have been born with higher consciousness, and this number has increased phenomenally over the past 200 years, the actual path to developing higher consciousness--repentance, prayer, fasting, meditation, etc--was given to mankind some 14,000 years ago and has been practiced and taught by adepts, shamans, priests, sheiks, gurus, yogas, buddhas, etc in every culture from every religious tradition on every continent of the world ever since.
Truth

Jupiter, FL

#12907 Jul 7, 2013
Ooogah Boogah wrote:
<quoted text>
He was speaking of "The Universe as we know it.". At no time did he claim there was nothing before the Big Bang, just that we don't know what the universe was like before that event. Since matter and energy have never been created nor destroyed, it only changes form, the likelihood is matter and energy have always existed and there is no need for a creator.
Absolutely correct you saved me a lot typing.

“Blue Collar Philosopher”

Since: Nov 08

Texas, USA

#12908 Jul 7, 2013
ezdzit wrote:
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This Islamophobia message was brought to you by yet another liar-for-hire shilling for shekels on Topix and paid for by the Israeli Ministry of Hasbara (Hebrew for propaganda).
Nobody is paying me. Where do I sign up?

“Liberty & Justice For All”

Since: Aug 11

United States of America

#12909 Jul 7, 2013
Truth wrote:
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Sure I can make an argument, considering we can view natural processes in the universe operating without divine intervention, we see new forms of life evolving without divine intervention. You are saying the only way someone can argue your claim of god is if they believe in god that's absurd. Your also saying atheists need a super universe (which is not true) but such a universe cant be confirmed, but then you turn around and present a super natural being who exists outside of space and time. How do you not see the hypocrisy in that argument your demanding absolute proof for scientist for you to believe them but you blindly believe in a supernatural being.
I didn't say or imply any of the things you attributed to me.

You're attacking your own straw men instead of dealing with the scientific fact that until the Big Bang happened there was no universe, no time, no gravity, and no cause and effect.

BTW I don't believe God is a "supernatural being".

“Liberty & Justice For All”

Since: Aug 11

United States of America

#12910 Jul 7, 2013
RHill wrote:
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Nobody is paying me. Where do I sign up?
http://www.gregfelton.com/media/2009_09_30.ht...

“Liberty & Justice For All”

Since: Aug 11

United States of America

#12911 Jul 7, 2013
Truth wrote:
<quoted text>
Oh no I got it but its a huge contradiction, if your agreeing that there was no cause and effect before the big bang and no time then you are eliminating the possibility of a creator. You can not argue that there was no cause before the big bang and then turn around and argue that god was the cause of the big bang. also if your acknowledging no time existed it would be impossible for a creator to have existed.
Don't quit your day job, bubba.
Truth

Jupiter, FL

#12912 Jul 7, 2013
ezdzit wrote:
<quoted text>
I didn't say or imply any of the things you attributed to me.
You're attacking your own straw men instead of dealing with the scientific fact that until the Big Bang happened there was no universe, no time, no gravity, and no cause and effect.
BTW I don't believe God is a "supernatural being".
You said god exists outside of space and time which would make him supernatural, if you don't believe hes a supernatural being than what is he? what is your point, no time existed before the big bang no cause or effect no gravity, I don't see how any of that points to a creator.
Truth

Jupiter, FL

#12913 Jul 7, 2013
ezdzit wrote:
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Don't quit your day job, bubba.
That's it? I point out your contradiction, and this what you say?

“Liberty & Justice For All”

Since: Aug 11

United States of America

#12914 Jul 7, 2013
Truth wrote:
<quoted text>
You said god exists outside of space and time which would make him supernatural.
Wrong. I said the First Cause/God existed BEFORE space and time and that fact doesn't make God "supernatural"
Truth wrote:
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if you don't believe hes a supernatural being than what is he?
God.
Truth wrote:
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what is your point, no time existed before the big bang no cause or effect no gravity, I don't see how any of that points to a creator.
It points to a First Cause....of the Big Bang and everything else that was created afterwards.

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