Why Atheism Will Replace Religion

Why Atheism Will Replace Religion

There are 14730 comments on the News24 story from Aug 27, 2012, titled Why Atheism Will Replace Religion. In it, News24 reports that:

Please note that for this article "Atheism" also includes agnostics, deists, pagans, wiccans... in other words non-religious.

You will notice this is a statement of fact. And to be fact it is supported by evidence (see references below). Now you can have "faith" that this is not true, but by the very definition of faith, that is just wishful thinking.

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“Liberty & Justice For All”

Since: Aug 11

United States of America

#7949 Apr 3, 2013
Ooogah Boogah wrote:
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What caused the First cause?
LOL You asking moi to do YOUR homework? Not gonna happen, bubba. Read Thomas Aquinas' argument and post your rebuttal.
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Tonga

#7950 Apr 3, 2013
@Polymath

You might not remember me but 1000s of post earlier I asked, if life-form had to have come from a preexisting life-form, were does life begin? And i think you argued that it was well proved that the origin of life was spontaneous when the conditions were right.

I've done some research, because it is interesting. But what i keep finding is that it isn't as proved as what I was made to believe.

"There remain many unanswered questions concerning abiogenesis. Experiments have yet to demonstrate the complete transition of inorganic materials to structures like protobionts and protocells and, in the case of the proposed RNA world, have yet to reconcile important differences in mechanisms in the synthesis of purine and pyrimidine bases necessary to form complete RNA nucleotides." http://www.britannica.com/EBchecked/topic/179...

more on spontaneous generation http://www.britannica.com/EBchecked/topic/660...

Not saying it's untrue, but it doesn't seem to be a theory as proved as was made clear to me. But definitely an interesting theory, so thanks for introducing me to it.

“There is no Truth in Faith”

Since: Dec 08

nowhere near a pound of $100's

#7951 Apr 3, 2013
ezdzit wrote:
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LOL You asking moi to do YOUR homework? Not gonna happen, bubba. Read Thomas Aquinas' argument and post your rebuttal.
He made many statements I have no idea which one you are erroneously trying to make a case with.

Since: Jun 07

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#7952 Apr 3, 2013
You gotta be kidding wrote:
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The myth of biological evolution is just the same myth as the myth of cosmic evolution. Two of the same lie. But the I don't really expect you to know two things seeing as though you don't know one.
Evolution is not a belief, its is a fact. If you don't accept facts, what are you trying to have a discussion?

Nobody wants to talk to a mentally ill person.

Since: Jun 07

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#7953 Apr 3, 2013
You gotta be kidding wrote:
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I don't live in the 'reality' that you do, I live in the true reality, not the fake evolutionary one.
Why don't you man the f*ck up and take a DNA test in "your" reality and see if it shows up the same results as the one in "our" reality eh?

“Liberty & Justice For All”

Since: Aug 11

United States of America

#7954 Apr 3, 2013
EdSed wrote:
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That isn't the only definition (as if that wasn't bad enough)...
http://www.thefreedictionary.com/religion
Religion is divisive and the last bastion of superstition
Your source says: 4. A cause, principle, or activity pursued with zeal or conscientious devotion.

Atheism fits the description of a religion according to your source too.

Next.....
You gotta be kidding

Auckland, New Zealand

#7955 Apr 3, 2013
-Skeptic- wrote:
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Evolution is not a belief, its is a fact. If you don't accept facts, what are you trying to have a discussion?
Nobody wants to talk to a mentally ill person.
Ok so we finally get back to what I originally asked for and that is proof, real, 100% infallible scientific proof that you faith in evolution is fact. No speculation no stupid articles and papers full of "we think", "we believe", "might have", I want you proof 100% factual. GO FOR IT do your best.

Don't back out now post you factual proof, that is what I have been asking for since this thread began.
You gotta be kidding

Auckland, New Zealand

#7956 Apr 3, 2013
-Skeptic- wrote:
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Why don't you man the f*ck up and take a DNA test in "your" reality and see if it shows up the same results as the one in "our" reality eh?
What on earth are you babbling about this time.

Since: Mar 11

Scottsburg, IN

#7957 Apr 3, 2013
Wow!

It's like he's proud of special pleading fallacy!
ezdzit wrote:
<quoted text>As Aristotle so elegantly stated 2400 years ago and Whitehead so elegantly re-stated 70 years in his theory of actual occasion, if one accepts the idea of causality, i.e. cause preceding effects, then one has to accept the idea of a First Cause which had to have preceded everything, i.e. time, space, energy, matter

FYI: Thomas Aquinas debunked the logical fallacy that God required a creator hundreds of years ago. Hey, why don't you to try to debunk Aquinas' argument and prove that a creator "himself" (interesting Freudian sexist slip there, bubba) would need a creator.....hmmmmm? No one has ever done it before and if you manage to succeed, Pope Dawkins would be dethroned and replaced by Pope Ooogah Boogah! What a hoot!

“Liberty & Justice For All”

Since: Aug 11

United States of America

#7958 Apr 3, 2013
Ooogah Boogah wrote:
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He made many statements I have no idea which one you are erroneously trying to make a case with.
Aquinas' Five Proofs for the existence of God, of course. Post a rebuttal for the first one or any of the other four. The choice is yours.....

“Liberty & Justice For All”

Since: Aug 11

United States of America

#7959 Apr 3, 2013
You gotta be kidding wrote:
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Ok so we finally get back to what I originally asked for and that is proof, real, 100% infallible scientific proof that you faith in evolution is fact. No speculation no stupid articles and papers full of "we think", "we believe", "might have", I want you proof 100% factual. GO FOR IT do your best.
Don't back out now post you factual proof, that is what I have been asking for since this thread began.
Nicely done!

Point, set, match.

Next.....

You gotta be kidding

Auckland, New Zealand

#7960 Apr 3, 2013
ezdzit wrote:
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Nicely done!
Point, set, match.
Next.....
I have been asking them for this evidence since the beginning and it has never been forth coming. Several posters who claim PhD status have come and gone and many more have simply chosen to ignore it. Oh well so be it.

“Can't help being fabulous”

Since: Dec 10

Sparkle <3

#7961 Apr 3, 2013
Khatru wrote:
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Hi there
Would you say that agnosticism is a thin line running exactly halfway between belief and non-belief?
Or is it somewhere in between the two, closer to one than the other depending on propensity towards either position?
Hiya,

I suppose you coud argue it that way.

To me, agnosticism is purely a state of 'not knowing' what there is out there. While I accept the fact that there may or may not be a God, or an afterlife, i'm unable to commit to either idea because I don't have enough evidence to point me either way.

Personally, I think a majority of people who identify as athiests are actually agnostic, because athiesm in itself is a very devout belief that there is nothing afterwards, and I think everyone, no matter how firm they are in their beliefs, always have a nagging feeling at the back of their head; "what if i'm wrong?"

“Can't help being fabulous”

Since: Dec 10

Sparkle <3

#7962 Apr 3, 2013
Givemeliberty wrote:
It's just as likely as any god. Maybe leprechauns and dachshunds only fairly recently thought mankind was ready to know of them?
See that is why we do not give credence to baseless claims that have not one shred of observable proof backing them up.
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...

You really do need to slow down and actually grasp what i'm trying to put forward.

I agree with you, a magical leprechaun / dachshund hybrid floating around in the sky is as likely as any God.

I was stating that my agnosticism stems from the fact that I can't prove a magical flying leprechaun, God, or athiesm either way. And I never will be able to.

I don't know why you're setting yourself against me in debate when I hold religious beliefs that are very similar to yours... I just happen not to care so much about mine.

“Can't help being fabulous”

Since: Dec 10

Sparkle <3

#7963 Apr 3, 2013
Givemeliberty wrote:
Are you really humiliating yourself with the tired old atheism is a religion ploy?
I mean seriously? That tired old creationist argument?
Oh and the term NB atheism hits to conservapedia..... Need I say more?
An agnostic is one who says they don't know if a god exists, not which particular faith is correct.
You really need to take some time and come to an understanding of terms because as with the terms atheist and agnostic you clearly do not comprehend what they mean.
You're welcome
:pats head:
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Conservapedia? I have no idea what that is. I'm an incredibly left-wing socialist, if you are talking about 'conservative' in the traditional sense of the word.

NB is a latin term meaning Nota Bene. Meaning "Take note" or "note well". It's a way of highlighting a point.

...

Like I said before, slow down and stop trying to be so aggressive, it only shows you to be a lout.

Athiesm - the theory or belief that God does not exist

Agnosticism - a religious orientation of doubt; a denial of ultimate knowledge of the existence of God. Where one is open to the idea that there may or may not be a God, but is unwilling to commit to any religious belief.

Honestly just because i'm not dead-set in my view point doesn't mean you have the right to bully me into thinking my opinion is somehow worth less than yours.

Just because you portray yourself as a devout athiest does not mean you are right and I am wrong, none of us truly know who is wrong or right here, that is why it is called a FAITH.

Atheism is arguably a religion in itself because it is a firm belief that there is nothing afterwards.

Seriously, could you be any more patronising?

I'm actually on YOUR side in this argument in terms of which team I bat for, however you are nothing but spiteful and rude.

“Can't help being fabulous”

Since: Dec 10

Sparkle <3

#7964 Apr 3, 2013
Givemeliberty wrote:
That tired old creationist argument?
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CREATIONIST?

Seriously have you taken a blow to the head recently?

I've posted on multiple occasions I AM AGNOSTIC.

I believe in Darwin's theory of evolution, considering the OVERWHELMING AMOUNT OF EVIDENCE IN FAVOUR OF IT.

Are you deliberately trying to be irritating?

Because from what you've posted it appars that you're just playing antagonist for the sake of it.

“There is no Truth in Faith”

Since: Dec 08

nowhere near a pound of $100's

#7965 Apr 3, 2013
ezdzit wrote:
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Aquinas' Five Proofs for the existence of God, of course. Post a rebuttal for the first one or any of the other four. The choice is yours.....
Argument from Motion ... if everything must be put in motion by something else, what put the "first motion" into motion??-- Refuted!!

Argument from Efficient Causes ... if everything must have a cause, what caused God??-- Refuted!!

Argument from Possibility and Necessity (Reductio argument)... If God has always existed, then what God is made of also has always existed. If that something is 'pure energy' as some maintain, then energy has never been created nor destroyed, it only changes form. Also energy makes up everything else in the universe ... that is everything is made of 'pure energy'... therefore no creator is required.--- Refuted!!

Argument from Gradation of Being ...'... there must also be something which is to all beings the cause of their being ...." Again, what caused God?--- Refuted!!!

Argument from Design ... "...some intelligent being exists by whom all natural things are directed to their end..." What designed God??... also, just because a pattern is 'perceived', it does not mean it truly exists. Sometimes you will see a bunny or a dragon in a cloud formation. That does not mean there is actually a bunny or a dragon there, your mind simply perceives that pattern. This is the same thing with "ID", just because you believe you see a pattern of design, that does not mean it exists.--- Refuted!!!

Is that all you got dummy?

“Liberty & Justice For All”

Since: Aug 11

United States of America

#7966 Apr 3, 2013
You gotta be kidding wrote:
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I have been asking them for this evidence since the beginning and it has never been forth coming. Several posters who claim PhD status have come and gone and many more have simply chosen to ignore it. Oh well so be it.
Atheists NEVER post any evidence supporting their theology of evolution....because not one scientist has ever published a peer reviewed stand alone theory for them to copy & paste. And all these posers who can barely spell claiming to have PhD status? Horse feathers....or is it dinosaur feathers these days?

“Liberty & Justice For All”

Since: Aug 11

United States of America

#7967 Apr 3, 2013
Ooogah Boogah wrote:
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Argument from Motion ... if everything must be put in motion by something else, what put the "first motion" into motion??-- Refuted!!
Argument from Efficient Causes ... if everything must have a cause, what caused God??-- Refuted!!
Argument from Possibility and Necessity (Reductio argument)... If God has always existed, then what God is made of also has always existed. If that something is 'pure energy' as some maintain, then energy has never been created nor destroyed, it only changes form. Also energy makes up everything else in the universe ... that is everything is made of 'pure energy'... therefore no creator is required.--- Refuted!!
Argument from Gradation of Being ...'... there must also be something which is to all beings the cause of their being ...." Again, what caused God?--- Refuted!!!
Argument from Design ... "...some intelligent being exists by whom all natural things are directed to their end..." What designed God??... also, just because a pattern is 'perceived', it does not mean it truly exists. Sometimes you will see a bunny or a dragon in a cloud formation. That does not mean there is actually a bunny or a dragon there, your mind simply perceives that pattern. This is the same thing with "ID", just because you believe you see a pattern of design, that does not mean it exists.--- Refuted!!!
Is that all you got dummy?
Wow! You're just a regular legend in your own messy little limited mind, aren't ya, bubba?

And I was so looking forward to Pope Ooogah Boogah replacing Pope Dawkins. Oh, well......
You gotta be kidding

Auckland, New Zealand

#7968 Apr 3, 2013
Kesla15 wrote:
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CREATIONIST?
Seriously have you taken a blow to the head recently?
I've posted on multiple occasions I AM AGNOSTIC.
I believe in Darwin's theory of evolution, considering the OVERWHELMING AMOUNT OF EVIDENCE IN FAVOUR OF IT.
Are you deliberately trying to be irritating?
Because from what you've posted it appars that you're just playing antagonist for the sake of it.
I am very glad you have posted the following line "I believe in Darwin's theory of evolution", at least you are honest in that you "believe in" the myth of evolution. One issue I have is where is the evidence you mention, no one seems to have it, perhaps it has been lost or misplaced, perhaps it does not actually exist and your "I believe in" statement is closer to the truth.

As an agnostic does your inquiry include the possibility that there is a god or that GOD and the BIBLE are actually correct?

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