Why Atheism Will Replace Religion

Aug 27, 2012 | Posted by: roboblogger | Full story: News24

Please note that for this article "Atheism" also includes agnostics, deists, pagans, wiccans... in other words non-religious.

You will notice this is a statement of fact. And to be fact it is supported by evidence (see references below). Now you can have "faith" that this is not true, but by the very definition of faith, that is just wishful thinking.

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<quoted text>You were the one who became uncivil screaming idiot when I was being reasonable and pleasant. Go back and read your own posts, you were throwing a temper tantrum screaming idiot at me and I rightfully pointed out how childish you were behaving.

Now you want to feign outrage?

Nice try but sorry, won't work.

And yes we are moving past the old by gone days of desert mystics with urine running down their leg shouting to convert now or face an eternity in Hell.

Sorry you fear these superstitious claims but I as a man of reason do not. Until any religious person can show us some observable evidence for their afterlife claims we as civil, reasonable people have no reason to believe. It is their claim so the onus is on them to make a case for their claim.

Sorry but that is how the real world works.
Oh brother, you are playing the victim again. What are you going to claim now, she PM you dirty messages? You are about to make some lie up.

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<quoted text>Not no but hell no. Sorry, but I'm against that and I would support a capital punishment law that would put child molesters, rapist, etc..., to death. But I don't like open either and GTL owns a poem site. So please do not give him ideas.
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I did not say that anything or anyone created GOD.
You did say this;
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I will tell you when I find out, but I can tell you that GOD did create everything you can see.
Which acknowledges the point that if God is so intricate and complex, then he must have been created.

If not, then whatever he is made of also did not need to be created. In this case the entire universe could be made of the same stuff, hence needs no creator either.

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It's hardly an idiot comment that I made,
Religion and perceptions of death can never truly be deemed correct or incorrect because we are unable to ask the deceased about their experiences of dying.
You obviously don't understand that a superiority complex is, but it does show a lot about your character that you have to turn a civil debate into an argument by calling someone a child.
Have a great life!
But then a magic leprechaun with a living dachshund stuck in his nose can never be deemed correct or incorrect by the same rationale .... just sayin ....
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You were the one who became uncivil screaming idiot when I was being reasonable and pleasant. Go back and read your own posts, you were throwing a temper tantrum screaming idiot at me and I rightfully pointed out how childish you were behaving.
Now you want to feign outrage?
Nice try but sorry, won't work.
And yes we are moving past the old by gone days of desert mystics with urine running down their leg shouting to convert now or face an eternity in Hell.
Sorry you fear these superstitious claims but I as a man of reason do not. Until any religious person can show us some observable evidence for their afterlife claims we as civil, reasonable people have no reason to believe. It is their claim so the onus is on them to make a case for their claim.
Sorry but that is how the real world works.
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I never claimed to be religious, I myself am agnostic because I believe that it is impossible to prove that any faith is correct beyond reasonable doubt.

That is why it is called a 'faith' and not a 'fact'.

N.B. Atheism, is also considered a religious belief or faith (even though it is an extreme lack of faith), so you can't distance yourself that much.

Once again sir you miscomprehend me, paralleling my argument with that of the religious zealot, but my argument the whole time has been pointing out that it is a fear of death that drives people in general to religion, that or a fear of punishment or reprisals if they don't conform.

I doubt you truly know how the real world works, because if you did you wouldn't be on this poorly constructed website arguing your view point against an adolescent.

However, I do agree with the statement that until a religious person shows us that the afterlife is fact rather than mere theory then then i'll believe it. However, bear in mind that your intolerance towards religious groups and cultures will only hinder you in life and portray you an emotionally constipated individual.

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But then a magic leprechaun with a living dachshund stuck in his nose can never be deemed correct or incorrect by the same rationale .... just sayin ....
We only view that image as ridiculous because of society's views towards humour.

For all we know that could be the meaning of life.

However it's pretty unlikely as dachshunds are relatively recent canine breeds created by artificial selection, and the myth of the leprechaun is 1.) fairly recent and 2.) twisted by popular culture.
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I never claimed to be religious, I myself am agnostic because ....
This is another instance of, "Of course, I'm not religious myself you understand, but..."!

http://www.thefreedictionary.com/atheist

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We only view that image as ridiculous because of society's views towards humour.
For all we know that could be the meaning of life.
However it's pretty unlikely as dachshunds are relatively recent canine breeds created by artificial selection, and the myth of the leprechaun is 1.) fairly recent and 2.) twisted by popular culture.
And so the notion of a God is unlikely because man has a history of making them up http://www.godchecker.com , there is no evidence in nature of such a being and given the premise that complex intricate things REQUIRE a creator, the creator himself would need a creator, then that would would need a creator ad nauseum.... it is an ineffective, illogical premise.

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And so the notion of a God is unlikely because man has a history of making them up http://www.godchecker.com , there is no evidence in nature of such a being and given the premise that complex intricate things REQUIRE a creator, the creator himself would need a creator, then that would would need a creator ad nauseum.... it is an ineffective, illogical premise.
And I agree with you fully.

(Do I give off a strange religious vibe? I'm pretty agnostic and it feels like people think I follow abrahamic religion...)

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<quoted text>This is another instance of, "Of course, I'm not religious myself you understand, but..."!
http://www.thefreedictionary.com/atheist
I don't know why you gave me a link for the definition of an athiest.

I'm not an athiest. I'm not devoutly religious either.

I don't hold a strong enough view on religion to devote myself to a faith.

I'm agnostic. I don't know what there is after death, be it eternal damnation, oblivion or otherwise, and quite frankly I don't think humanity ever should presume to know.

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Sorry but atheism merely means not believing in gods. Not exactly a religion.
Dawkins merely stated and Anthony basically agreed that he was using a god of the gaps argument. Flew wrote his book which needless to say was written at a time when he was in mental decline to say the least. Here this previously well spoken man was now writing a book called.. There is a God ( note the capital G ) how the world's most notorious atheist changed his mind.
Most notorious atheist? What does that even mean? Is there the worlds most notorious stamp collector? Book club member? Double coupon user?
In other words stop humiliating yourself.
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Why do members of your cult always equate God with the belief systems of other cults like Baptists, Mormons, Catholics, Jews, etc...? They invariably borrow, as you have, from Pope Dawkins’ bag of tricks, i.e. building strawmen out of other religions, knocking them down, and then--over a roast of red herrings on a bonfire of snarky logical fallacies--falsely proclaiming that the existence of God has also been knocked down??? And, btw, if you really did know the Bible as well as you claim, surely you would know that according to the Bible-- i.e. the major prophets like Isaiah, Jeremiah, Jesus, etc -- it is clearly and repeatedly stated that God is not into religion....any religion.

FYI:

re·li·gion: noun

pronunciation: ri-li-jin

definition of RELIGION: a cause, principle, or system of beliefs held to with ardor and faith.

Regardless of whether you are intelligent enough to understand or will ever concede to the fact that atheism is a religion, the fact remains that atheism is definitely and unequivocally a religion, bubba.
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'Atheism' is excuse for breaking the rules of a God fearing socity.

No God,no repercussions.

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'Atheism' is excuse for breaking the rules of a God fearing socity.
No God,no repercussions.
"God-fearing"

That's about the size of it:

"Do not take advantage of each other, but fear your God. I am the Lord your God."
Leviticus 25:17

"Fear the Lord your God, serve him only and take your oaths in his name."
Deuteronomy 6:13

"For the Lord your God dried up the Jordan before you until you had crossed over. The Lord your God did to the Jordan just what he had done to the Red Sea when he dried it up before us until we had crossed over. He did this so that all the peoples of the earth might know that the hand of the Lord is powerful and so that you might always fear the Lord your God"
Joshua 4:23-24

"Now fear the Lord and serve him with all faithfulness. Throw away the gods your forefathers worshiped beyond the River and in Egypt, and serve the Lord."
Joshua 23:14

"If you fear the Lord and serve and obey him and do not rebel against his commands, and if both you and the king who reigns over you follow the Lord your God--good! But if you do not obey the Lord, and if you rebel against his commands, his hand will be against you, as it was against your fathers."
1 Samuel 12:14-15

"But be sure to fear the Lord and serve him faithfully with all your heart; consider what great things he has done for you."
1 Samuel 12:24

"For great is the Lord and most worthy of praise; he is to be feared above all gods. For all the gods of the nations are idols, but the Lord made the heavens."
1 Chronicles 16:25-26

"So I continued, "What you are doing is not right. Shouldn't you walk in the fear of our God to avoid the reproach of our Gentile enemies?"
Nehemiah 5:9

"Serve the Lord with fear and rejoice with trembling."
Psalms 2:11

"The fear of the Lord is pure, enduring forever. The ordinances of the Lord are sure and altogether righteous."
Psalms 19:9

"You who fear the Lord, praise him! All you descendants of Jacob, honor him! Revere him, all you descendants of Israel!"
Psalms 22:23

"Who, then, is the man that fears the Lord? He will instruct him in the way chosen for him. He will spend his days in prosperity, and his descendants will inherit the land. The Lord confides in those who fear him; he makes his covenant known to them."
Psalms 25:12-14

"How great is your goodness, which you have stored up for those who fear you, which you bestow in the sight of men on those who take refuge in you."
Psalms 31:19

"Let all the earth fear the Lord; let all the people of the world revere him. For he spoke, and it came to be; he commanded, and it stood firm."
Psalms 33:8-9

"Let us hear the conclusion of the whole matter: Fear God, and keep his commandments: for this is the whole duty of man. For God shall bring every work into judgment, with every secret thing, whether it be good, or whether it be evil."
Ecclesiastes 12:13-14

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So there you go - plenty of scriptures telling the reader to fear the god of the Bible. I don't see much love.

Somehow I just know that I'm hardly scratching the surface here.

No wonder Christians describe themselves as "God-fearing" as opposed to *God-loving*

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I don't know why you gave me a link for the definition of an athiest.
I'm not an athiest. I'm not devoutly religious either.
I don't hold a strong enough view on religion to devote myself to a faith.
I'm agnostic. I don't know what there is after death, be it eternal damnation, oblivion or otherwise, and quite frankly I don't think humanity ever should presume to know.
Hi there

Would you say that agnosticism is a thin line running exactly halfway between belief and non-belief?

Or is it somewhere in between the two, closer to one than the other depending on propensity towards either position?

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'Atheism' is excuse for breaking the rules of a God fearing socity.
No God,no repercussions.
ROTFLMAO!'God fearing society' my ass! The vast majority of the 'religious' that post here obviously don't fear the 'god' they profess belief in. That is evidenced by the fact that lying and misinformation is all they post. One would think that if they sincerely 'feared their god' they would at least make an attempt to not flagrantly violate one of his top 10 no-no's with virtually every post they make. The only thing the "god fearing society" is afraid of is NOT being seen as any more special than those that hold no beliefs in unsupportable myth in the first place. Don't you find it odd that in order to defend your beliefs you need to resort to lying?
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I don't know why you gave me a link for the definition of an athiest.....
You appear (from your posts) not to understand it.
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FYI:
re·li·gion: noun
pronunciation: ri-li-jin
definition of RELIGION: a cause, principle, or system of beliefs held to with ardor and faith.
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That isn't the only definition (as if that wasn't bad enough)...
http://www.thefreedictionary.com/religion

Religion is divisive and the last bastion of superstition

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And so the notion of a God is unlikely because man has a history of making them up http://www.godchecker.com , there is no evidence in nature of such a being and given the premise that complex intricate things REQUIRE a creator, the creator himself would need a creator, then that would would need a creator ad nauseum.... it is an ineffective, illogical premise.
As Aristotle so elegantly stated 2400 years ago and Whitehead so elegantly re-stated 70 years in his theory of actual occasion, if one accepts the idea of causality, i.e. cause preceding effects, then one has to accept the idea of a First Cause which had to have preceded everything, i.e. time, space, energy, matter

FYI: Thomas Aquinas debunked the logical fallacy that God required a creator hundreds of years ago. Hey, why don't you to try to debunk Aquinas' argument and prove that a creator "himself" (interesting Freudian sexist slip there, bubba) would need a creator.....hmmmmm? No one has ever done it before and if you manage to succeed, Pope Dawkins would be dethroned and replaced by Pope Ooogah Boogah! What a hoot!
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"God-fearing"
That's about the size of it:
"Do not take advantage of each other, but fear your God. I am the Lord your God."
Leviticus 25:17
"Fear the Lord your God, serve him only and take your oaths in his name."
Deuteronomy 6:13
"For the Lord your God dried up the Jordan before you until you had crossed over. The Lord your God did to the Jordan just what he had done to the Red Sea when he dried it up before us until we had crossed over. He did this so that all the peoples of the earth might know that the hand of the Lord is powerful and so that you might always fear the Lord your God"
Joshua 4:23-24
"Now fear the Lord and serve him with all faithfulness. Throw away the gods your forefathers worshiped beyond the River and in Egypt, and serve the Lord."
Joshua 23:14
"If you fear the Lord and serve and obey him and do not rebel against his commands, and if both you and the king who reigns over you follow the Lord your God--good! But if you do not obey the Lord, and if you rebel against his commands, his hand will be against you, as it was against your fathers."
1 Samuel 12:14-15
"But be sure to fear the Lord and serve him faithfully with all your heart; consider what great things he has done for you."
1 Samuel 12:24
"For great is the Lord and most worthy of praise; he is to be feared above all gods. For all the gods of the nations are idols, but the Lord made the heavens."
1 Chronicles 16:25-26
"So I continued, "What you are doing is not right. Shouldn't you walk in the fear of our God to avoid the reproach of our Gentile enemies?"
Nehemiah 5:9
"Serve the Lord with fear and rejoice with trembling."
Psalms 2:11
"The fear of the Lord is pure, enduring forever. The ordinances of the Lord are sure and altogether righteous."
Psalms 19:9
"You who fear the Lord, praise him! All you descendants of Jacob, honor him! Revere him, all you descendants of Israel!"
Psalms 22:23
"Who, then, is the man that fears the Lord? He will instruct him in the way chosen for him. He will spend his days in prosperity, and his descendants will inherit the land. The Lord confides in those who fear him; he makes his covenant known to them."
Psalms 25:12-14
"How great is your goodness, which you have stored up for those who fear you, which you bestow in the sight of men on those who take refuge in you."
Psalms 31:19
"Let all the earth fear the Lord; let all the people of the world revere him. For he spoke, and it came to be; he commanded, and it stood firm."
Psalms 33:8-9
"Let us hear the conclusion of the whole matter: Fear God, and keep his commandments: for this is the whole duty of man. For God shall bring every work into judgment, with every secret thing, whether it be good, or whether it be evil."
Ecclesiastes 12:13-14
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So there you go - plenty of scriptures telling the reader to fear the god of the Bible. I don't see much love.
Somehow I just know that I'm hardly scratching the surface here.
No wonder Christians describe themselves as "God-fearing" as opposed to *God-loving*
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