Why Atheism Will Replace Religion

Why Atheism Will Replace Religion

There are 14715 comments on the News24 story from Aug 27, 2012, titled Why Atheism Will Replace Religion. In it, News24 reports that:

Please note that for this article "Atheism" also includes agnostics, deists, pagans, wiccans... in other words non-religious.

You will notice this is a statement of fact. And to be fact it is supported by evidence (see references below). Now you can have "faith" that this is not true, but by the very definition of faith, that is just wishful thinking.

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“Think&Care”

Since: Oct 07

Location hidden

#6937 Mar 9, 2013
You gotta be kidding wrote:
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Death was not created it is the result of no life, the lack of life is death. The lack of light is dark. You really need to get an education.
Oh, the ironies.

Since: Mar 11

Lexington, KY

#6938 Mar 9, 2013
You'll notice all this evangelical fundie has is band wagon and appeal to authority logical fallacies. He barks these out and flees totally unable to discuss any subject rationally.
Lincoln wrote:
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Nobel Prize was awarded to President Obama, a Christian who added "in God we Trust" to the oath of office.
Peace

“Think&Care”

Since: Oct 07

Location hidden

#6939 Mar 9, 2013
You gotta be kidding wrote:
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I did not say that because you do not know the exact age (I even gave you a few million years either way) then the earth does not exist. <YOU ARE LIEING ONCE AGAIN BUSTED>
So once again you prove your lack of education and knowledge in this case about logic.
Your science (so called science) is wrong because you base it on guess work and supposition
The age of the earth is 4.54 billion years plus or minus 50 million years. One difficulty in obtaining a more precise age is definitional: do we measure from when the earth started forming, from when it was 90% of the current side, or when it started cooling off? The process of formation was not instantaneous.

Since: Aug 12

Adana, Turkey

#6940 Mar 9, 2013
Ooogah Boogah wrote:
<quoted text>
No, I consider myself an intelligent human being when I demand verifiable evidence for a fantastic claim and refuse to accept it just because someone told me so. Do you have any verifiable evidence that God exists?
Yeah I have an evidence about God . There is no logical evidence in their hands those who deny God. Just trumped-up experiments .

Since: Mar 11

Lexington, KY

#6941 Mar 9, 2013
Do share your observable evidence.
B_Girl_Turco wrote:
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Yeah I have an evidence about God . There is no logical evidence in their hands those who deny God. Just trumped-up experiments .

Since: Aug 12

Adana, Turkey

#6942 Mar 9, 2013
Givemeliberty wrote:
Do share your observable evidence.
<quoted text>
Yes , Quran . Its a observable evidence. It written with perfect grammar. I know you will say 'noooooo there are lots of contradiction in Quran and lots of grammar error'

And I will say 'learn arabic and read it again'

Really I dont want to discuss about this topic. I said my opinion , you said your opinion. Okey its over .

Even I'm a stupid , you'r an intelligent atheist.

:) Bye
Lincoln

United States

#6943 Mar 9, 2013
Students are free to pray in public schools — except when they aren’t.
If this sounds confusing, pity school administrators charged with figuring out if and when to draw the line on student prayers.
Current controversies in two regions of the country illustrate how complicated this line-drawing has become.
School officials in the Birdville School District, near Fort Worth, Texas, allow students to offer prayers before football games, claiming that because the students freely choose to do so, the prayers are not endorsed by the school.
Meanwhile, school officials in Taconic Hills Central District in Craryville, N.Y., barred a student from closing her middle school graduation speech with a prayer, claiming that prayers at graduation — even when given by a student — constitute school-sponsored religion in violation of the First Amendment.
Before sorting out who got it right or wrong, let’s remind ourselves of what we know about the constitutionality of student prayers in public schools under current law.
According to the U.S. Supreme Court, school officials may not sponsor or promote religious exercises in public schools. At the same time, however, no Supreme Court decision prohibits public school students from praying alone or in groups, as long as such prayers don’t disrupt the school or interfere with the rights of others.
So far, so good.
But what do school administrators do when a student speaker decides to offer a prayer before a captive audience at graduation or some other school-sponsored event?
Is a prayer given by a student school-sponsored religion prohibited by the Establishment clause — or is it religious expression protected by the Free Exercise and Free Speech clauses?
In the culture wars, one side argues that all prayers at public school events are school promotion of religion, even if delivered by a student. But the other side insists that student prayers are always free speech, whatever the setting or circumstances.
Although the Supreme Court has yet to draw a bright line on this issue, past decisions make clear that when school officials arrange for prayers at school events, those prayers are the unconstitutional government endorsement of religion — even when delivered by outside speakers or students.
Some lower courts, however, have allowed student prayers at school events under certain conditions: If a student speaker is chosen by genuinely neutral, evenhanded criteria (i.e., without regard to the student’s religious or nonreligious views) and given primary control over the content of the speech, the student is free to give a religious or anti-religious message.
Relying on these court rulings, the U.S. Department of Education issued guidelines in 2003 on “constitutionally protected prayer,” stating that schools should allow student prayers under those circumstances. And a few states, including Texas, have passed laws urging schools to turn the podium over to students at school events without controlling the content of their speech.
That brings us back to Birdville, where school officials claim that student speakers at football games aren’t selected to give prayers, but are free to give any message they choose. If they happen to give a prayer, then the district argues that Texas law and Department of Education guidelines support their right to do so.
What isn’t known from news reports is exactly how the students are selected to speak at the games — and whether school officials actually allow student speakers to say whatever they like.
Lincoln

United States

#6944 Mar 9, 2013
Part two
But if the Birdville School District really does give students a “free speech moment,” then it is likely that the courts would uphold the practice if the policy is challenged.
But in Taconic Hills, school administrators retain control over the content of student speeches.
Permitting students to pray, the district argues, would put the schools in the position of endorsing religion. Earlier this month, the 2nd Circuit Court of Appeals upheld Taconic Hill’s right to bar student prayers.
It’s possible, then, that both school districts got it right under current law.
Whether we’ll see more students praying at school events is difficult to predict.
After all, many school officials are understandably reluctant to adopt policies that create a free-speech forum at graduations and assemblies.
Turning the microphone over to student speakers can be a risky business for school officials, especially when religious expression is involved.
What I can predict is that when the inevitable happens and a student delivers a prayer from an unpopular religion — or gives a message promoting atheism — public enthusiasm for the free-speech model will wane.
In other words, it might not take long for Birdville to decide that Taconic Hills got it right after all.
EdSed

Hamilton, UK

#6945 Mar 9, 2013
B_Girl_Turco wrote:
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Yes , Quran . Its a observable evidence. It written with perfect grammar. I know you will say 'noooooo there are lots of contradiction in Quran and lots of grammar error'
And I will say 'learn arabic and read it again'
Really I dont want to discuss about this topic. I said my opinion , you said your opinion. Okey its over .
Even I'm a stupid , you'r an intelligent atheist.
:) Bye
And if you had been raised as a Christian or Jew, it would be the Bible or Torah.
http://www.godchecker.com/

Since: Mar 11

Lexington, KY

#6946 Mar 9, 2013
Lord of the rings was written with perfect grammar but that doesn't prove Elves exist.

My opinion is based on observable evidence, your's is based on an ancient book of desert scribblings that was stolen from the Torah and Gospels.

Again show your observable evidence that Allah exists.
B_Girl_Turco wrote:
<quoted text>
Yes , Quran . Its a observable evidence. It written with perfect grammar. I know you will say 'noooooo there are lots of contradiction in Quran and lots of grammar error'
And I will say 'learn arabic and read it again'
Really I dont want to discuss about this topic. I said my opinion , you said your opinion. Okey its over .
Even I'm a stupid , you'r an intelligent atheist.
:) Bye

Since: Mar 11

Lexington, KY

#6947 Mar 9, 2013
Ignore Lincoln's church website spam. The issue is the prayers are not only Christian but 90% of the time for the exact some church.

Most of the complaints have come from theists who don't appreciate having this one church's prayer crammed down their throats.

http://www.star-telegram.com/2012/10/31/43789...

The ACLU is taking the appropriate actions on this blatant violation.

DNF

“Judge less, Love more”

Since: Apr 07

Born in Newark Ohio

#6948 Mar 9, 2013
I don't think religion will ever cease to exist. Certain Dogmas and Doctrines may change and new ones may become established. But I also see a rise in Atheism and Agnosticism due to the inflexibility most religions eventually reach.

The thing is, if someone has decided there is no God, it makes no sense to me for people of faith to try to convince them they are wrong.

That's the problem with any religion that claims to be the "one true way to God". It's sort of schizophrenic in a way. On the one hand humility to God is expected. Yet at the same time, a type of 'self-arrogance' is also preached; the idea that only YOUR group is actually "God's Chosen".

All this arguing back and forth is pointless.

Since: Mar 11

Lexington, KY

#6949 Mar 9, 2013
If you didn't want to discuss the topic why come here? Best get on a burka I would hate for you to be flogged bloody in the streets.
B_Girl_Turco wrote:
<quoted text>
Yes , Quran . Its a observable evidence. It written with perfect grammar. I know you will say 'noooooo there are lots of contradiction in Quran and lots of grammar error'
And I will say 'learn arabic and read it again'
Really I dont want to discuss about this topic. I said my opinion , you said your opinion. Okey its over .
Even I'm a stupid , you'r an intelligent atheist.
:) Bye
Lincoln

United States

#6950 Mar 9, 2013
Givemeliberty wrote:
If you didn't want to discuss the topic why come here? Best get on a burka I would hate for you to be flogged bloody in the streets.
<quoted text>
Yup
"Gimme" is beginning to crack.
Jumper The Wise

Owensboro, KY

#6952 Mar 9, 2013
old fat Elvis or young Elvis?

“Vita e' Bella.”

Since: May 12

Location hidden

#6953 Mar 9, 2013
DNF wrote:
I don't think religion will ever cease to exist. Certain Dogmas and Doctrines may change and new ones may become established. But I also see a rise in Atheism and Agnosticism due to the inflexibility most religions eventually reach.
The thing is, if someone has decided there is no God, it makes no sense to me for people of faith to try to convince them they are wrong.
That's the problem with any religion that claims to be the "one true way to God". It's sort of schizophrenic in a way. On the one hand humility to God is expected. Yet at the same time, a type of 'self-arrogance' is also preached; the idea that only YOUR group is actually "God's Chosen".
All this arguing back and forth is pointless.
I agree. Either one believes in God, Goddess, Divine Providence, or something beyond this life, or one does not.

“Educating the uneducated”

Since: Aug 12

Montreal

#6954 Mar 9, 2013
Pietro Armando wrote:
<quoted text>Faith and science are not incompatible. There are scientist who also maintain a religious faith.

http://m.youtube.com/#/watch...
Okay, and?
You can still know the facts like evolution and believe in a god. You can still exercise your belief in god even if you know the truth about the stories.

Anyone can believe in anything they want, I just don't believe because there's no evidence. That's what faith is; believing in something without proof.

I never said one can't be a scientist and believe in a god.

“Educating the uneducated”

Since: Aug 12

Montreal

#6955 Mar 9, 2013
DNF wrote:
I don't think religion will ever cease to exist. Certain Dogmas and Doctrines may change and new ones may become established. But I also see a rise in Atheism and Agnosticism due to the inflexibility most religions eventually reach.

The thing is, if someone has decided there is no God, it makes no sense to me for people of faith to try to convince them they are wrong.

That's the problem with any religion that claims to be the "one true way to God". It's sort of schizophrenic in a way. On the one hand humility to God is expected. Yet at the same time, a type of 'self-arrogance' is also preached; the idea that only YOUR group is actually "God's Chosen".

All this arguing back and forth is pointless.
You must also admit that those with faith cannot be convinced that there is no god.
It is something I admit is unprovable.

Though letting others believe or not believe as they wish, and not forcing beliefs or non-beliefs on them, is something everyone should learn.
Sadly, there are many who think that their beliefs trump human rights.

Since: Mar 11

Lexington, KY

#6956 Mar 9, 2013
Higher the IQ the less likely you fall for the myth of god/s.
Pietro Armando wrote:
<quoted text>
I agree. Either one believes in God, Goddess, Divine Providence, or something beyond this life, or one does not.

“Vita e' Bella.”

Since: May 12

Location hidden

#6957 Mar 10, 2013
Givemeliberty wrote:
Higher the IQ the less likely you fall for the myth of god/s.
<quoted text>
http://www.beliefnet.com/Faiths/Secular-Philo...

Believe in God?

Contrary to the slanders voiced by arrogant atheists, we who believe in God are in very distinguished company indeed.

Excerpted from Can A Smart Person Believe In God? with permission of Nelson Books.

Can a smart person believe in God? The only reason the question even needs asking is this: persons identifying themselves as atheists, agnostics, humanists, and secularists-a total of less than 1 percent of the population, according to the City University of Mew York's 2001 American Religious Identification Survey-tend to see themselves as Marines of the mind: they are the few, the proud, the rational materialists.

Boasted the nineteenth-century American politician and atheist Robert Green Ingersoll:

"For ages, a deadly conflict has been waged between a few crave men and women of thought and genius upon the one side, and the great ignorant religious mass on the other."

In Traveling Mercies: Some Thoughts on Faith, best-selling author Anne Lamott describes how she became a born-again Christian. It wasn't easy: it involved overcoming a sixties childhood dominated by sex, drugs, alcohol, and snooty secularism:

None of the adults in our circle believed [in God]. Believing meant that you were stupid. Ignorant people believed, uncouth people believed, and we were heavily couth. My dad was a writer, and my parents were intellectuals who went to the Newport Jazz festival every year for their vacation and listened to Monk and Mozart and the Modern Jazz Quartet. Everyone read all the time...We were raised to believe in books and music and nature.

Atheism and its attending superiority complex are especially rampant among certain leading scientists. In an article titled, "Scientists Are Still Keeping the Faith," published in the April 3, 1997 issue of Nature, Edward Larson and Larry Witham revealed that about 40 percent of all American physical scientists believe in a personal God (presumably, still more of them believe in a non-personal God). Considering science's widespread reputation for being godless, that's a pretty sizable fraction. But in a subsequent study, the authors discovered that among members of the National Academy of Sciences-science's high priests-a mere 7 percent believe in a personal God.

During my years at Harvard, I recall a physics professor teaching undergraduates about the seminal contributions of the early twentieth-century Cal-Tech physicist and Nobel Prize-winner Robert Millikan. Millikan is renowned for his brilliant and historic oil-drop experiment, in which he discovered that every electron carries an indivisible electric charge. It's too bad, lamented the Harvard professor, that Millikan, a devoutly religious man, was such a "low-brow" (his exact words) when it cane to his personal beliefs.

If you believe in God and the importance of intelligence and education and civility, how do you respond properly to such haughty atheism? For starters, by recognizing that for all their superior airs, atheists are really no different from you and me. Like us, atheists believe in something they can't prove scientifically.

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The British actor and writer Quentin Crisp tells a funny story about the time he visited Northern Ireland and announced he was an atheist. Crisp recalls: "A woman in the audience stood up and said,`Yes, but is it the God of the Catholics or the God of the Protestants in whom you don't believe?'"

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