Why Atheism Will Replace Religion

Aug 27, 2012 | Posted by: roboblogger | Full story: News24

Please note that for this article "Atheism" also includes agnostics, deists, pagans, wiccans... in other words non-religious.

You will notice this is a statement of fact. And to be fact it is supported by evidence (see references below). Now you can have "faith" that this is not true, but by the very definition of faith, that is just wishful thinking.

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Straw man.
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The article was about the non-religious, not atheists specifically. Your comment is against those without religion so it is against all those the article lists as well.
Now that I've said the above:
Many of the holidays we celebrate are originally pagan holidays. The biggest example is Christmas.
Now, even if the majority of the holidays we celebrate weren't created by non-religious people, how do the majority of people spend holidays like Christmas?
In a church? Praying all day?
No, they celebrate by joining with family for a day or a few days.
The holidays are cultural, not religious.
You think atheists, pagans, agnostics, and so on, never celebrate any holidays? If so, that is the most ignorant thinking I've come across in a long time.
Pagan Holidays are by definition religious. These were Hoilidays devoted to the worship of Pagan Gods.

Its simply not accurate to describe Holidays like Christmas as "really" pagan Holidays. Clearly they are Christian Holidays.

As such, they are "feast days" and are suppose to be celebrated amoungst family and friends,There is supposed to be a celebration feast (meal) and the giving of gifts (the three wise men)

If you want to celebrate festivus go ahead, the rest of us Christians wil continue to celbrate the Birth of Christ.


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Fitz wrote:
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Pagan Holidays are by definition religious. These were Hoilidays devoted to the worship of Pagan Gods.
Its simply not accurate to describe Holidays like Christmas as "really" pagan Holidays. Clearly they are Christian Holidays.
If you truly believe that, then it would be simply not accurate to describe you as knowledgeable on the subject.
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What doesn't follow?
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Fitz wrote:
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Pagan Holidays are by definition religious. These were Hoilidays devoted to the worship of Pagan Gods.
Its simply not accurate to describe Holidays like Christmas as "really" pagan Holidays. Clearly they are Christian Holidays.
As such, they are "feast days" and are suppose to be celebrated amoungst family and friends,There is supposed to be a celebration feast (meal) and the giving of gifts (the three wise men)
If you want to celebrate festivus go ahead, the rest of us Christians wil continue to celbrate the Birth of Christ.
Grazie.....thanks for the assist.
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<quoted text>If you truly believe that, then it would be simply not accurate to describe you as knowledgeable on the subject.
Just because their was a winter solstace that was co-opted by early Christians dosent make an expressley religious holiday somehow "really" a pagan holiday.

Its resonable to assert that 2000 years of christianization qualifies the Birth of Christ as a religious holiday..

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The article was about the non-religious, not atheists specifically. Your comment is against those without religion so it is against all those the article lists as well.
Now that I've said the above:
Many of the holidays we celebrate are originally pagan holidays. The biggest example is Christmas.
Now, even if the majority of the holidays we celebrate weren't created by non-religious people, how do the majority of people spend holidays like Christmas?
In a church? Praying all day?
No, they celebrate by joining with family for a day or a few days.
The holidays are cultural, not religious.
You think atheists, pagans, agnostics, and so on, never celebrate any holidays? If so, that is the most ignorant thinking I've come across in a long time.
The term used in the study was "religiously unaffiliated subjects". Are atheists religiouly affiliated? If they are, then they are not atheists. Simple enough for ya?
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I've no wish to take away your right to look like a massive tit.
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Pagan Holidays are by definition religious. These were Hoilidays devoted to the worship of Pagan Gods.
Its simply not accurate to describe Holidays like Christmas as "really" pagan Holidays. Clearly they are Christian Holidays.
As such, they are "feast days" and are suppose to be celebrated amoungst family and friends,There is supposed to be a celebration feast (meal) and the giving of gifts (the three wise men)
If you want to celebrate festivus go ahead, the rest of us Christians wil continue to celbrate the Birth of Christ.

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Just because their was a winter solstace that was co-opted by early Christians dosent make an expressley religious holiday somehow "really" a pagan holiday.
Its resonable to assert that 2000 years of christianization qualifies the Birth of Christ as a religious holiday..
Just saying.
"Co-opting" pagan rituals was done to make it easier to convince the pagans to convert to christianity.

"Christianity": Co-opting much older religious practices and stories as their own since its inception
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The link you stole from chuckle chuckle yahoo answers about suicide doesn't work. The actual studies on suicide and religious affiliation have been inconclusive and contradictory. Only deeply religious people have shown a slight % lower than non believers in suicide rates. However if you include Muslims the rate swings wildly the other direction.
Yawn how many times are you like the typical christian apologetic you are, going to pull the totalitarian card? Seriously can't you do any better than that chumpstain?
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Source for your wildly speculative hypothesis of suicide rates and muslims?

I thought not..

The fact of the matter is multiple studies have been done regarding suicide and atheism/religion...It has been confirmed and reafirmed and is wildly conceded amoung secular scholars.

The effect is so vast that it shows up in enire countires with the least religious countries having the highest rates and the most religious countries having the lowest.

Most serious intellects simply concede proven facts such as this...it takes an insecure mind to try an refute what is so widley accepted.

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<quoted text>"Co-opting" pagan rituals was done to make it easier to convince the pagans to convert to christianity.
"Christianity": Co-opting much older religious practices and stories as their own since its inception
Indeed...most Pagan religions have a winter solstice celebration. Christians would have looked like a bunch of killjoys if they came in and said "stop having a party"... So instead they gave a Christian reason for having a party..

Scholars believe that the Birth of Christ most likley took place in the winter, but obviously no exact date was given. The western and eastern Church's have a seperate date for hrists birth...but they are within a month of one another.

Even the Jewish clebebration of Hanaukaha is a realtivily minor Jewish holiday that has become more important for no other reason than it falls around Christmass and Jewish parents wanted something Jewish to celebrate while all their kids schoolmates celebrated Christmas.

Christians were and are famous for 'co-opting" secular knowledge and allowing the practices of other faiths. In its earliest dates this is called the "hellinization" of Christianity. Rather than dismissing the knowledge of Pagan philosophers and ancient wisdom, the Church incorporated that knowledge into its own teachings.

The alternative is to persecute and burn all contary knowledge and belief systems. This is a streagth of Christianity.

Indeed it still is true today, Ancestor worship is popular in the far east, and recently the Vatican said that such practice is acceptable under Christian principles. We have always held that you can pray for and too your dead realitives, likewise the Saints. Now eastern Christians can still perform the anual practice of theirs of praying and lighting candales to their dead relatives while still be considered Christians in good standing.

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Its a pity not a single christian in the history of the human planet has every bothered to correct what the bible has to say about atheists.

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Which doesn't explain why atheists routinely refer to science's myths (big bang, evolution, natural selection) to renounce the existence of God.
Since there is no evidence of god's existence, there is no need to even entertain the idea he exists. Atheists aren't obligated to explain how everything began and developed. So, why don't you provide some evidence god exists?

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<quoted text>Godless is as godless does.
Another useless opinion that can't be refuted because it has no basis in fact and is therefore invalid.

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<quoted text>Which doesn't explain why atheists routinely refer to science's myths (big bang, evolution, natural selection) to renounce the existence of God.
Those are all supported by evidence, whereas creationism has no evidence to support it but blind faith.

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Fitz wrote:
<quoted text>Pagan Holidays are by definition religious. These were Hoilidays devoted to the worship of Pagan Gods.

Its simply not accurate to describe Holidays like Christmas as "really" pagan Holidays. Clearly they are Christian Holidays.

As such, they are "feast days" and are suppose to be celebrated amoungst family and friends,There is supposed to be a celebration feast (meal) and the giving of gifts (the three wise men)

If you want to celebrate festivus go ahead, the rest of us Christians wil continue to celbrate the Birth of Christ.
Your Christ was never even born near Christmas. Get your facts straight and then pretend you know things.

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<quoted text>Grazie.....thanks for the assist.
You just proved you also know nothing of Christmas, for once again, Jesus was never born any time near Christmas.

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Source for your wildly speculative hypothesis of suicide rates and muslims?
I thought not..
The fact of the matter is multiple studies have been done regarding suicide and atheism/religion...It has been confirmed and reafirmed and is wildly conceded amoung secular scholars.
The effect is so vast that it shows up in enire countires with the least religious countries having the highest rates and the most religious countries having the lowest.
Most serious intellects simply concede proven facts such as this...it takes an insecure mind to try an refute what is so widley accepted.
Guess, as they say, ignorance is bliss.

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<quoted text>The term used in the study was "religiously unaffiliated subjects". Are atheists religiouly affiliated? If they are, then they are not atheists. Simple enough for ya?
That's why it's religiously UNaffiliated.
You people don't know how to read, do you?

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