Why Atheism Will Replace Religion

Aug 27, 2012 Full story: News24 14,391

Please note that for this article "Atheism" also includes agnostics, deists, pagans, wiccans... in other words non-religious.

You will notice this is a statement of fact. And to be fact it is supported by evidence (see references below). Now you can have "faith" that this is not true, but by the very definition of faith, that is just wishful thinking. Full Story

“Israel for Ever and Ever”

Since: Nov 08

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#416 Dec 4, 2012
Reason Personified wrote:
<quoted text>Yeah, there is much for you to overcome ... and ignorance is at the top of that list. Denying evolution is like denying sunshine or water.
I can scientifically prove both (water and sunshine) can you do the same for the theory of evolution. If you can I would be more than happy to read it and possibly recant

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Since: May 08

Atlanta, Georgia

#417 Dec 4, 2012
Colin The Zionist wrote:
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I guess history is not your field, some advice if you are going to comment on a field make sure you know something about it.
You should take your own advice and stop trying to comment on any aspect of science. Every time you try you just seem more and more pathetic.
Colin The Zionist wrote:
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You are the answer to your own question, you refuse to put your name to a paper saying it is fact, the THEORY is yet to be proved in any way, oh and by the way it wont be.
When you at least learn what a scientific theory is and how it differs from a "theory" in a whodunit novel, then you can talk. Until then, your opinion is meaningless.
Colin The Zionist wrote:
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OH dear you must be getting tired, I did not say that light refraction was biology, but to exist it must have evolved some how, yes even the laws of the universe must be explainable by your theory. I am still waiting for this.
You really think light refraction "evolved"? That just insane. Biology and astrophysics are NOT the same thing.
Colin The Zionist wrote:
<quoted text>
No real scientist will claim evolution to be fact,....
That biota on this planet changes over time is an indisputable fact. We call this change "evolution".

Our current best understanding of the mechanisms that drive this change is called the theory of biological evolution. No matter what the mechanisms are, the scientific theory to describe these mechanisms will always be called the theory of evolution.

Our current understanding describes diverse issues, such as how river dams can alter ecosystems and why certain cancers can run in families. After over 150 years of research by scientists from all religions and all sociopolitical environments to withhold tacit support for such a well-tested theory would be unreasonable.

But when a better description comes along that allows us to make BETTER predictions about how biology on this planet actually works, we'll gladly throw out the current model and begin using this now and improved understanding. Until you've actually got a better description, you've got absolutely nothing.

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#418 Dec 4, 2012
emperorjohn wrote:
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they are based on theories that are based on many facts and evidence that has been discussed.
A theory by definition cannot be based on fact, if it was it would not be a theory it would be a fact.

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#419 Dec 4, 2012
Thinking wrote:
BS
<quoted text>
You better start thinking again

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#420 Dec 4, 2012
Reason Personified wrote:
<quoted text>Clear as mud. The "A" means without, minus, having none. It does not mean, does not believe in whatever is following the "A"!
The atheist is not trying to prove there are no theist,
Now I realize that to you, your Ju-Ju man's (completely unfounded)beliefs on who I am are more valid than my beliefs on who I am, but this is the way it is ... the atheist is not theist. Nothing more!
An atheist hold onto a glimmer of faith that there is no god, mainly because he/she does not want to be responsible for his/her own actions. As for the abookist we discussed he was trying to disprove the existence of all books just the one he did not hold dear.
Sorry you lost me there what is a Ju-Ju man perhaps some evolutionist god, not too sure on that one.

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Since: May 08

Atlanta, Georgia

#421 Dec 4, 2012
Colin The Zionist wrote:
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A theory by definition cannot be based on fact, if it was it would not be a theory it would be a fact.
Science really is beyond your comprehension, isn't it?--

" http://simple.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scientific_t... ;

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#422 Dec 4, 2012
NightSerf wrote:
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I never wrote that people should free themselves from ideology, only that freedom from the need to defend it puts the sense of wonder back into seeking knowledge about the fabulous planet that we inhabit and the universe of which it is such a tiny part; that the need to debate limits one's thinking because the focus on ideas that support one's argument leads to a sort of intellectual tunnel vision. Letting go of the need to defend one's ideology frees the mind to see ideas in their full context. Such are the rewards for letting go of the ego's need to "win."
I look at it more as a case of intellectual analysis leading to my ideology, not vice-versa. The debate then is a contest of intellect and knowledge, not of the resultant worldview.

This is to make a modest point - that it is irksome when one side claims it is not operating from a worldview. It's kinda' a modern puritanism.
Jumper

Owensboro, KY

#423 Dec 4, 2012
Atheist is tsiehtA spelled backwards.

Sounds Russin.Like say...Comunist.

Just saying.

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#424 Dec 4, 2012
Hedonist wrote:
<quoted text>
You should take your own advice and stop trying to comment on any aspect of science. Every time you try you just seem more and more pathetic.
When you at least learn what a scientific theory is and how it differs from a "theory" in a whodunit novel, then you can talk. Until then, your opinion is meaningless.
You really think light refraction "evolved"? That just insane. Biology and astrophysics are NOT the same thing.
That biota on this planet changes over time is an indisputable fact. We call this change "evolution".
Our current best understanding of the mechanisms that drive this change is called the theory of biological evolution. No matter what the mechanisms are, the scientific theory to describe these mechanisms will always be called the theory of evolution.
Our current understanding describes diverse issues, such as how river dams can alter ecosystems and why certain cancers can run in families. After over 150 years of research by scientists from all religions and all sociopolitical environments to withhold tacit support for such a well-tested theory would be unreasonable.
But when a better description comes along that allows us to make BETTER predictions about how biology on this planet actually works, we'll gladly throw out the current model and begin using this now and improved understanding. Until you've actually got a better description, you've got absolutely nothing.
So the evolutionist tag team rolls on one again, so that is evolutionists – NIL me – 4; Does this now mean that I once again have to readdress all the previous posts, yet another tactic of the losing side.

So now I will directly address the post above again I don’t feel like doing my normal relevant editing
1) The statement I made is called in normal debating circles as a “hook statement” and YES you fell for it hook line and sinker, well done for falling for that age old trick, now go back and read all the previous posts and relist all the inaccurate scientific statement I have made. Please do.
2) A theory remains a theory until it have been proven no matter what field it comes form, by the way what novel are you talking about?
3) If you had been involved in the previous posts,(now I realise you are only the 5th evolution tag team member so maybe you really don’t know)you would know why that was asked but let me fill you in. Where did the laws of the physical universe come from? I never claimed that they evolved I most certainly would not claim that they evolved as evolution is a lie, so where did that come from.
4) How is the change of this planet evolution, there is erosion (if that evolution) there is cyclic climate change (is that evolution) there are fires (is that evolution) there is movement in the earth’s plates (is that evolution) I think you are getting very confused what your theory actually says.
5) So you are admitting that you are so closed mined to any other possibility that you will call everything evolution, wow now that requires a really closed little mind.
6) So you think that either adding water to or removing water form an environment and the subsequent changes to the ecosystems are the evolutionary changes that are being discussed. And you call me nuts; tell me is evolution reversible like if your dam breaks and the ecosystems return to their previous state is that reversal also called evolution. I think it is more than likely just natural design features adapting to the new environment.
7) So I need to come up with a better description for you evolutionary models because your “current understanding” is so lacking in reality. No I don’t think so, the truth is already there it is called intelligent design or creation.
So you admit to having nothing do you admit like the last evolutionary scientist that you are totally ignorant, she did and I respect that honesty in a thread that has very little honesty form the evolutionists.

Have a good Day.

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#425 Dec 4, 2012
Hedonist wrote:
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Science really is beyond your comprehension, isn't it?--
" http://simple.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scientific_t... ;
No it is not but the use of the English language seems to be beyond yours.

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#426 Dec 4, 2012
Hedonist wrote:
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Science really is beyond your comprehension, isn't it?--
" http://simple.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scientific_t... ;
I just love the way the evolutionists have to trey to redefines the meaning of words to fit there theory and try to make it fact, here is some news to you tag team member number 5 evolution is a theory it will remain unproven because it is a theory based on the writings of the atheist faithful.

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#427 Dec 4, 2012
From Wiki.....
"In everyday speech, the word "theory" is used as a "best guess". In modern science, a scientific theory is a tested and expanded hypothesis that explains many experiments and fits ideas together in a framework. If anyone finds a case where all or part of a scientific theory is false, then that theory is either changed or thrown out."

Based on this obscure and twisted meaning of the word theory evolution is still in the to be changed or thrown out basket.

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#428 Dec 4, 2012
Reason Personified wrote:
<quoted text>If I were afraid of theology, I could not have studied it for decades. You should learn the meaning of words before trying to use them as weapons. Understanding a words meaning would clue you in to whether it could be effectively used as cannon fodder, or not.
Since my post showed no fear of theology, you are not yet capable of critiquing that which you are reading. Maybe a few more years of primary school and you will be ready to actually participate here.
If you studied it for decades I really feel sorry for you, you must have been taught so many lies. And yes by now I can understand why you have a fear of theology.
AH yes here comes the put downs and attempts to belittle me, why am I not surprised a classic move, but one deemed to fail.

“ecrasez l'infame”

Since: May 08

Atlanta, Georgia

#429 Dec 4, 2012
Colin The Zionist wrote:
<quoted text>
(rant deleted as nonsense)...So you admit to having nothing ....
You mistakenly seem to think that I posted to you with the intention of entering a discussion. Nothing could be further from the truth. Although I try to be patient with ignorance, I have little patience for the level of abject ignorance you seem so proud of.

No, I was posting give other people who might be reading along some data points that they can now go research. You were just the foil for these points.

Your entire rant which I choose to remove from this reply was just so much gibberish it was pathetic.

I am sorry science scares you so much.
Jumper

Owensboro, KY

#430 Dec 4, 2012
Marxisim and Atheisim are two sides of the same coin.

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#431 Dec 4, 2012
Hedonist wrote:
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You mistakenly seem to think that I posted to you with the intention of entering a discussion……………………….
So the evolutionist tag team member 5 is only there as a criticizer, he really has nothing to add to the conversation. Now as his final backing out movement he claims to not really want to be part of the conversation, then why did you enter it. I laugh at your total inability to join in, good bye don’t come back perhaps you should leave this forum to those who actually have something to say and the intelligence to say it.
Evolution tag team – Nil: Me 5

“ecrasez l'infame”

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#432 Dec 4, 2012
Jumper wrote:
Marxisim and Atheisim are two sides of the same coin.
Which makes them exactly opposite of each other.

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#434 Dec 4, 2012
Hedonist wrote:
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Science really is beyond your comprehension, isn't it?--
" http://simple.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scientific_t... ;
Nope
Thinking

UK

#435 Dec 5, 2012
Liar.
Colin The Zionist wrote:
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Nope

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It's time to put it to use

#436 Dec 5, 2012
Hedonist wrote:
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Science really is beyond your comprehension, isn't it?--
" http://simple.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scientific_t... ;
They taught us that back in elementary school. Even a simple laymen like me knows the difference between guesses, belief, and scientific theory.

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