Why Atheism Will Replace Religion

Aug 27, 2012 | Posted by: roboblogger | Full story: News24

Please note that for this article "Atheism" also includes agnostics, deists, pagans, wiccans... in other words non-religious.

You will notice this is a statement of fact. And to be fact it is supported by evidence (see references below). Now you can have "faith" that this is not true, but by the very definition of faith, that is just wishful thinking.

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Because they were much less enlightened and sometimes had to use the 'god of the gaps'. Also, they cannot refute when the self righteous twist their words to suit themselves....Einstein, e.g.
Gallileo was excommunicated from the Church of Rome for his observations, which does not encourage and open exchange of ideas. Don't worry, Gallileo is back in the good graces of the church, it only took them 5 centuries to reflect on the matter and forgive him,(or public embarassment).
Galileo was not excommunicated so try again.

"One of the little fictions that planetarium lecturers like to tell is that of Galileo confronting the Inquisition. Accused of holding the heretical belief that the Earth moves around the sun, Galileo stands defiantly—the enlightened man of science—facing the entrenched dogma of the Church. It is a story told so often that we have come to believe it ourselves.

Unfortunately, history does not support such a picture. Galileo may not have been guilty of heresy, but he was guilty of several other things:(l) some of his scientific "facts" were wrong; (2) he claimed to have proof when no proof existed; (3) he was unaware of Kepler's exposition of planetary motion, though Kepler's book was in his own bookcase; and (4) he had made enemies—bitter enemies—quite needlessly."

John Appledoorn, Savannah Science Museum
Planetarian, Vol 19 #4, pages 15-17 & 19, December 1990.

The Planetarian is the quarterly journal of the International Planetarium Society

"The story of Galileo is an interesting one. But I think it might be fair to say that Galileo’s greatest mistake was being a bit arrogant in the way he presented his own views and insulting the pope who, prior to that, had been fairly sympathetic with Galileo’s conclusions. Basically the pope couldn’t let Galileo get away with this kind of insult".


Dr Francis Collins, Former Director of the US National Human Genome Research Institute, currently Director of National Institutes of Health

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- why are …………………… as free living ones?
- why did the gene that produces ……………………
- why did the gene for the……………………….
- why do people's skin colors differ?
- why do people have fever and what should the treatment be?
-I can explain all of the above using evolutionary theory. Your "creationism" is a joke - a dangerous, worthless joke. It cannot explain any of the above. It cannot produce testable, disprovable hypotheses. Evolution can and does, and that is why it is the framework theory for all biological sciences.
WOW this is getting tedious I’m off for a coffee………………Hmmmmmm coffee what a joy, just think about it, a coffee bean……created by God…….roasted to perfection…….. ground and watered and enjoyed by man……………WOW creation is wonderful.

Questions 1 – 9, answer Creation.
10 – It didn’t not 12000 years ago but much sooner than that.
11 – again it did not 12000 years ago but much sooner than that Asians don’t drink much milk adaption my dear.
12 – Come on surely even you know about melanin in the skin.
13 – Fever, wow you must be lacking sleep if you don’t know that; fever is the bodies reaction to a invasive microbe or a reaction to a physical damage to the body, the best cure for fever is to not get one by keeping the bodies immune system healthy. to keep the patient comfortable but to let it run its course.
14 – Ditto
15 - Ditto
Your explanation and presumption that I could not explain has been smashed by creation. And I thought we were in for some serious discussion.

My turn:(I’ll number them so you don’t get lost along the way)
1 Explain the evolution of the human eye.
2 Explain the planetary evolution
3 Explain the evolution of the bacterial flagellum
4 Explain where melanin in the skin comes from
5 Explain why the world is in decay
6 Explain why there is an extremely similar fold story in most cultures even extremely divers cultures.
7 Demonstrate how live evolved from non-living organic matter.
8 Explain how the chilly evolved it taste
9 Explain the evolutions of colours
10 Explain the evolution of gills to lungs

There 10, you asked 15 easily answered, now it’s your turn.

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I am an evolutionary scientist.………………..
Good, I have a challenge for you, here goes, should be easy judging by your posts. You challenge if you are brave enough to accept it is to write and publish a paper claiming and then 100% proving evolution as 100% fact. Don't forget to put your name to it.

There that should be easy.

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<quoted text>But no one in the course of this discussion has attempted the fallacy cited, certainly not Hiding, to whom it was ascribed. A good logician points out faulty logic even when it is used by someone on the same side of an argument to support a point to which he agrees. You failed to do that, meaning that either your grasp of logic is weaker than you have claimed or your basic honesty is questionable at best.
Which is it?
Yea but it is fun, FYI I do know logic every well, all logic can be bought to a binary conclusion, if not it is not logic. I also know evolutionary theory very well in all of its disguises.

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For those who are reading this and acre )not too many) any way my coffee is great.

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Yea but it is fun, FYI I do know logic every well, all logic can be bought to a binary conclusion, if not it is not logic. I also know evolutionary theory very well in all of its disguises.
Only computer logic is limited to binary analysis, and I suspect that you "knowledge" of logic arises from a study of systems analysis within that context. Classical logic is more complex and is not always well expressed with flowcharts even using Boolean alternatives. as to evolutionary theory, my own knowledge is scant, but is still sufficient to spot the many flaws in your assertions. I leave it to those with more expertise to point them out, though, because their posts will be much more informative than mine. Nor do I have the time to address or correct every absurdity that I encounter--I do have more productive activities that take up the bulk of my time.

The reason that I keep bringing up Bossdrop (who is beginning to reemerge after a lengthy period of inactivity) is that you are following the same patterns that he did in the long-running "Atheism requires as much faith as religion?" thread. You'll forgive us if many here are reluctant to repeat the tedious process of refuting his many fallacies and absurdities. Frankly, the regulars in the atheism forum already seen--and refuted--every argument you've put forth so far many times, which is why the questions you think are so crucial are boring to us and why few are bothering to answer them. It's also why I called you a bore--within this context, you are exactly that.

I only peek into the above-mentioned thread occasionally. It has amassed a staggering 6,850 pages and 136,996 posts, not including the 5,254 that have been deleted due to Terms of Service violations. The conversations with Bossdrop take up almost a quarter of that, and I doubt that anything you put forth will not already be included there. When I read your posts, my basic reaction is, been there, done that, booooring. We've been through a similar process with Eagle12 when he was writing under another name.

And all of your questions are much better addressed elsewhere in the internet one the science department pages of many major universities and pretty well summarized on Wikipedia. Try reading these, for instance--I just did, and it took only about a half hour:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evolution_of_the...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evolution_of_col...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evolution_of_col...

Together, these articles explain the evolutionary process that led up to the human eye. I had already learned some of it (one of my daughters was born with achromatopsia), but these articles explained the process very well and in more detail that I had read previously. There are other articles at university sites that explain how images are processed in the brain. I found the descriptions of how lenses and color receptors evolved particularly interesting.

The world is so much more fascinating when you study it without the need to defend your ideology. As I suggested before, look past the debate if you want to understand the huge ideas that underlie it. The need to debate produces limited thinking. Do you really want to limit yours?

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Only computer logic is limited to binary analysis, and I suspect that you "knowledge" of logic arises from a study of systems analysis within that context. Classical logic is more complex and is not always well expressed with flowcharts even using Boolean alternatives. as to evolutionary theory, my own knowledge is scant, but is still sufficient to spot the many flaws in your assertions. I leave it to those with more expertise to point them out, though, because their posts will be much more informative than mine. Nor do I have the time to address or correct every absurdity that I encounter--I do have more productive activities that take up the bulk of my time.
The reason that I keep bringing up Bossdrop (who is beginning to reemerge after a lengthy period of inactivity) is that you are following the same patterns that he did in the long-running "Atheism requires as much faith as religion?" thread. You'll forgive us if many here are reluctant to repeat the tedious process of refuting his many fallacies and absurdities. Frankly, the regulars in the atheism forum already seen--and refuted--every argument you've put forth so far many times, which is why the questions you think are so crucial are boring to us and why few are bothering to answer them. It's also why I called you a bore--within this context, you are exactly that.
I only peek into the above-mentioned thread occasionally. It has amassed a staggering 6,850 pages and 136,996 posts, not including the 5,254 that have been deleted due to Terms of Service violations. The conversations with Bossdrop take up almost a quarter of that, and I doubt that anything you put forth will not already be included there. When I read your posts, my basic reaction is, been there, done that, booooring. We've been through a similar process with Eagle12 when he was writing under another name.
And all of your questions are much better addressed elsewhere in the internet one the science department pages of many major universities and pretty well summarized on Wikipedia. Try reading these, for instance--I just did, and it took only about a half hour:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evolution_of_the...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evolution_of_col...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evolution_of_col...
Together, these articles explain the evolutionary process that led up to the human eye. I had already learned some of it (one of my daughters was born with achromatopsia), but these articles explained the process very well and in more detail that I had read previously. There are other articles at university sites that explain how images are processed in the brain. I found the descriptions of how lenses and color receptors evolved particularly interesting.
The world is so much more fascinating when you study it without the need to defend your ideology. As I suggested before, look past the debate if you want to understand the huge ideas that underlie it. The need to debate produces limited thinking. Do you really want to limit yours?
First let me say that I normally edit all re-posts because they either contain nonsense, derogatory remarks or just too much to re-post, your I did not today as I actually enjoyed reading it, THANKS>
In my experience all logic including classical logical argument can be brought down to a binary conclusion, I am interested to read you post and will do some study on it. As to evolution I have enjoyed the debate it has been fun, some of the contributors know way less than they pretend to know, I tend to enjoy some of the better postings particularly the DNA one a field of extreme interest to me . It is a pity that not all posts can be as good as those I received this morning, very interesting and very enjoyable. I enjoy posting the: please post me your scientific evidence for evolution? It brings so much rubbish you would be astounded.

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Galileo was not excommunicated so try again.
"One of the little fictions that planetarium lecturers like to tell is that of Galileo confronting the Inquisition. Accused of holding the heretical belief that the Earth moves around the sun, Galileo stands defiantly—the enlightened man of science—facing the entrenched dogma of the Church. It is a story told so often that we have come to believe it ourselves.
Unfortunately, history does not support such a picture....
"The doctrine that the earth is neither the center of the universe nor immovable, but moves even with a daily rotation, is absurd, and both philosophically and theologically false, and at the least an error of faith." ~~ Catholic Church's decision against Galileo

"To assert that the earth revolves around the sun is as erroneous as to claim that Jesus was not born of a virgin." ~~ Cardinal Bellarmino, 17th Century Church Master Collegio Romano during the trial of Galileo

"To affirm that the Sun ... is at the centre of the universe and only rotates on its axis without going from east to west, is a very dangerous attitude and one calculated not only to arouse all Scholastic philosophers and theologians but also to injure our holy faith by contradicting the Scriptures" ~~ Cardinal Bellarmino

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"Thanks to his intuition as a brilliant physicist and by relying on different arguments, Galileo, who practically invented the experimental method, understood why only the sun could function as the centre of the world, as it was then known, that is to say, as a planetary system. The error of the theologians of the time, when they maintained the centrality of the Earth, was to think that our understanding of the physical world's structure was, in some way, imposed by the literal sense of Sacred Scripture...." ~ Pope John Paul II, L'Osservatore Romano N. 44 (1264)- November 4, 1992
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"The doctrine that the earth is neither the center of the universe nor immovable, but moves even with a daily rotation, is absurd, and both philosophically and theologically false, and at the least an error of faith." ~~ Catholic Church's decision against Galileo
"To assert that the earth revolves around the sun is as erroneous as to claim that Jesus was not born of a virgin." ~~ Cardinal Bellarmino, 17th Century Church Master Collegio Romano during the trial of Galileo
"To affirm that the Sun ... is at the centre of the universe and only rotates on its axis without going from east to west, is a very dangerous attitude and one calculated not only to arouse all Scholastic philosophers and theologians but also to injure our holy faith by contradicting the Scriptures" ~~ Cardinal Bellarmino
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"Thanks to his intuition as a brilliant physicist and by relying on different arguments, Galileo, who practically invented the experimental method, understood why only the sun could function as the centre of the world, as it was then known, that is to say, as a planetary system. The error of the theologians of the time, when they maintained the centrality of the Earth, was to think that our understanding of the physical world's structure was, in some way, imposed by the literal sense of Sacred Scripture...." ~ Pope John Paul II, L'Osservatore Romano N. 44 (1264)- November 4, 1992
"And that was the ultimate source of Galileo’s conflict with the church: he was teaching as fact what still at that time had only the status of theory. When church officials asked Galileo in 1616 to teach heliocentrism as theory rather than as fact, he agreed; however, in 1632 he published a new work, Dialogue on the Great World Systems, in which he presented heliocentrism as fact again."

http://www.takimag.com/site/article/the_galil...
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Evolution is one part of the religions of evolutionism, humanism and darwinism. It is not based on any facts it is based on theory and requires faith of great magnitude to believe.

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simple... atheism is real... religion is mythical superstition..... see that was easy

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Common designer = common design foundation.
Mutations are generally the loss of data not the magical gaining of data. I like the monkey to ape line but it proves not evolution but it proved my point above, Common designer = common design foundation.
You would then have to explain why other animals aren't equally related as apes and monkeys are.

In other words, you'd have to explain why the patterns we see are reinforced in development, morphology and genetics and why you choose, against all observations, to call that "design."
Yes but planes do share a common trait they fly that was your reason why birds and bats share a common ancestor.
No. I never claimed that birds and bats share a common ancestor that gives them flight. Bats are more related to humans than they are to birds. Try explaining that with creationism.

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It was malaria it just did not have the effects it does today.
The malaria we have evolved 12 000 years ago, from other plasmodium species. We have 4 species of malaria now. They were malaria back then, too, just affected different animals.
Yes evolution is tested over and over in many labs but there are never verifiable evidential results,
No, evolution is demonstrated in the lab. Objectively demonstrated.
Wrong I do know a lot about biological science and many other fields of science, I am not a fully funded scientist who sites in committee meeting all day and gets paid to do research on very little, who has like minded friends and colleges review his/ her work.
You don't come across as someone who does. You don't use the technical language correctly.
By the way calling someone ignorant is an insult as it infers full ignoramus status not subject related ignoramus. In the same vain I did not insult anyone unless calling someone a janitor is an insult, tell that to the janitor of your lab see how he feels.
We're all ignorant of almost everything.

I really don't care how the janitor feels. I don't want him doing biological science unless he changes career paths and puts in a lot of study.
Herbs and plants were created to be of help to man they did not co-evolve, your vit C example is wonderful but tell me how did the fruit know that we may lack vit C in our diet to evolve vit C. Sounds far more like Intelligent Design to me.
It's apparent design. It's called co-evolution. If you "knew a lot about biology" you'd understand how co-evolution works. It's quite amazing.
If all you can post as proof of evolution is adaptation then hay yes God designed the ability for all species to adapted no evolution but Intelligent Design.
This is you using "adaptation" incorrectly again.
“Evolution = change in gene frequencies in gene pools, over time” this is adaptation.
No, that's evolution. It's the definition of evolution. The definition of adaptation differs. If you "knew a lot about biology" you'd know this.
(microevoilution as I have called it, which by the way is not my term it is a very common term used in science) no new species nor new life have ever evolved, have ever seen to evolve or have ever been made in the lab. No proof no evolution.
Thank you for your intelligent posts much fun to read and yes it did make me go back a do some more reading.
False. New species have been evolved in the lab. All species were produced by evolution.

Woops. I'm pretty sure my next few posts were not so fun to read. Sorry.

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This is mere word play they do not evolve they adapt easy as that. Adaptation is a design feature sorry but you are sadly mistaken.
It's not word play. It's a very important point.

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No, no destruction of frame work, let’s take this back to be basics here is what you believe, out of nonliving organic matter came life, due to the fact that it cannot be scientifically explained you need to add the “billions of years”
There it is “testable, disprovable hypotheses” what is a “testable, disprovable hypotheses” first lest examine “hypotheses” come from the word “hypothetical” meaning to presume, not to know. So now we throw the word “disprovable” in the mix and we get this “you cannot disprove what I presume, if you try you are wrong because I presume myself to be right”.
Funny I don’t have a problem explaining things by creation you “presume” I do so you post it as fact; word Play: I don’t have that issue so perhaps your presumption is incorrect. In fact YES it is incorrect.
I don't know enough about abiogenesis to offer any interesting comments on it, sorry.

You didn't present a framework theory for all biological phenomena. Framework theories have to be explanatory and predictive, able to generate testable, disprovable hypotheses.

Your creationism is not explanatory, nor predictive and it cannot be tested.

You don't even seem to be able to explain why there are apparent lineages in species - why can we classify them into genera, families, orders, etc?

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You would then have to explain why other animals aren't equally related as apes and monkeys are.
In other words, you'd have to explain why the patterns we see are reinforced in development, morphology and genetics and why you choose, against all observations, to call that "design."
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No. I never claimed that birds and bats share a common ancestor that gives them flight. Bats are more related to humans than they are to birds. Try explaining that with creationism.
How about my 10 questions then, make the statement you did shows a very limited understanding of anything in any design field, the designer can do as he pleases to get he results he wants, he does not need to stick to some formula dictated my mere humans.

By the way you did claim evolutionary links between the bat and bird due to flight, I extrapolated it asking for the same link to a plane.

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simple... atheism is real... religion is mythical superstition..... see that was easy
Oh look what has crawled out of the wood work last time we communicated you were going to kill me, I see you have not yet done so. You pathetic attempts to post understanding once again go amiss.

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Oh look what has crawled out of the wood work last time we communicated you were going to kill me, I see you have not yet done so. You pathetic attempts to post understanding once again go amiss.
blah blah blah... religitard

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The malaria we have evolved 12 000 years ago,
No, evolution is demonstrated in the lab.
We're all ignorant of almost everything.
I really don't care how the janitor feels. I don't want him doing biological science unless he changes career paths and puts in a lot of study.
It's apparent design …………………..quite amazing.
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This is you using "adaptation" incorrectly again.
Woops. I'm pretty sure my next few posts were not so fun to read. Sorry.
How did you come up with the 12000 years ago I would love to see the scientific evidence of that.
Please be so kind as to show me how evolution is demonstrated in a lab. I am looking forward to reading that one.
I am very glad that you have admitted that you are ignorant of “almost everything”. I thought you would have no regard for the janitor a person without whom you would be unable to function. You are starting to sound like a pathetic elitist thug.

If you knew anything truthful about biology you would know how great creation is, instead you have chosen to listen to faulty men. Pity you chose by your own admitting to remain ignorant.
Again I am asking for your lab work, what new species have been evolved in a lab, and what evolved (form non-living organic) matter where they evolved. Now let’s get your parameters straight, You have to go to a lab take nothing, use nothing, but evolution and you have to produce a new species, perhaps I need to add that task to your previous one. That should keep you busy for a while.

No I did enjoy reading your next few posts, and I will equally enjoy you re-posts and answers and yes your published and named paper that 100% proves evolution. But I guess I will wait a very long time.

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<quoted text>blah blah blah... religitard
There you go again posting utter rubbish once again, in case you did not realise it some of the posters around here actually are having a meaningful debate. Now go a mother coddle your little retard.

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