Sentencing in "Wiccan Dagger" Case

Sentencing in "Wiccan Dagger" Case

There are 33 comments on the About.com story from Dec 5, 2011, titled Sentencing in "Wiccan Dagger" Case. In it, About.com reports that:

In spring 2010, we looked at the case of Angela Sanford, a New Mexico woman who was charged with stabbing a man with a "Wiccan dagger" thirteen times.

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Jumper

Morgantown, KY

#1 Dec 5, 2011
I guess he got her point!

Sounds like he had a few holes in his argument.

Talk about 'sticking' it to somone.
Ameriz

Seattle, WA

#2 Dec 7, 2011
Its interesting. A Wiccan blade of any kind, that spills blood losses all ritual purpose and meaning and becomes simply another object used in a crime. It is not as though the dagger having once been used in Pagan rights, is anymore significant than a kitchen knife that was once used to prepare food for adopted children. its now simply a object and clearly the person who used it forgot the beliefs of her own religion. I am sure that a kitchen knife from another religions household would not receive the designation of having the religions name in front it, even if it was a ritual object of some kind.
Jumper

Morgantown, KY

#3 Dec 7, 2011
An interesting 'point' of view.
Jay

United States

#4 Dec 7, 2011
Just honestly goes to show you how todays Media really sticks it into someone.. I totally don't agree with what she done before anyone misunderstands anything here... But our Media is so quick to give titles and seems the stick for any bad Karma intended for it... I personally think the freedom of speech and freedom of rights should be more defined for Media and its personel. The most simplest things they address and gets things started so dear and close to Hardships that they do more harm than good by reporting it... Addressing men as white/black and ect.... All rasial remarks and no room to grow beyond the stereo type these days... I beleive a few very deep law suits would give Media a whole new look at things if they were held responcible for there actions...
Jumper

Morgantown, KY

#5 Dec 7, 2011
Yea, the Media really stabbs people in the back.

“Proud to be a Wiccan Priest”

Since: Jul 09

Jonesboro AR

#6 Dec 7, 2011
twenty years.. Good.. Having followed this case.. Yes Jumper i do watch for things like this. The b*tch claimed to be part of the Pagan community. Only trouble was no one ever remembered her or even knew her.

Twenty years. Good. Hope she rots there as well.

She used the excuse of a religion she evidently didn't understand to murder a person.
Jumper

Morgantown, KY

#7 Dec 7, 2011
Kathwynn wrote:
twenty years.. Good.. Having followed this case.. Yes Jumper i do watch for things like this. The b*tch claimed to be part of the Pagan community. Only trouble was no one ever remembered her or even knew her.
Twenty years. Good. Hope she rots there as well.
She used the excuse of a religion she evidently didn't understand to murder a person.
I always knew somthing was amiss about that case.
It took your keen insight to make all the pieces of the puzzel fall into place.

“Proud to be a Wiccan Priest”

Since: Jul 09

Jonesboro AR

#8 Dec 9, 2011
Jumper wrote:
<quoted text>I always knew somthing was amiss about that case.
It took your keen insight to make all the pieces of the puzzel fall into place.
*yawn*
Jumper

Morgantown, KY

#9 Dec 10, 2011
Kathwynn wrote:
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*yawn*
Hey buddy!

Hadn't heard from you for ahwhile.

Yopu must have been doing that moon thing the last few days.

Well I got all my Christmas shopping done.My head felt like it was going to explode! I bet you feel that way on Holloween buying those itemes for your coven.So many people that you remember and all it runs into some money.

Some dude named 'Lord of many fates' asked about you over on the Gay-Lesebin forum.I told him I didn't swing that way,that we just commmented once and awhile.

Well I'm doing all the talking,how's life treating you buddy?
Me again

Saint Petersburg, FL

#10 Mar 4, 2012
Kathwynn wrote:
The b*tch claimed to be part of the Pagan community. Only trouble was no one ever remembered her or even knew her.
Or just made sure to deny it if they did! "Do What Thou Wilt," right? How can we trust any religion that teaches the individual is a moral authority unto herself?

“Reality = Playdough”

Since: Aug 07

Merced, CA

#11 Mar 4, 2012
Me again wrote:
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Or just made sure to deny it if they did! "Do What Thou Wilt," right? How can we trust any religion that teaches the individual is a moral authority unto herself?
As I am sure others will say; You are missing the first part. "And if it harms none, do as you will." Harm none... Now what would that mean? It means your a fool.
Me again

Saint Petersburg, FL

#12 Mar 4, 2012
The Gnome wrote:
<quoted text>As I am sure others will say; You are missing the first part. "And if it harms none, do as you will." Harm none... Now what would that mean? It means your a fool.
Learn how to contract the words "you" and "are" and then come see me with "You're a fool."

Pagans clearly added the caveat in more modern times, while satanists never have. Anton Lavey told them "Do As Thou Wilt," and they just blindly followed, except that it gives them individually the freedom to believe whatever stupid rules they want to apply to themselves, or lack thereof. And that is my major ethical issues with it - that fringe groups with nutty beliefs already illustrate just how subjectively they can allow themselves to believe what does or does not cause "harm" to another human being. For example, members of NAMBLA don't think they are causing harm to children.

That is why we need laws to protect the greater good, to insure some safety from crazy people who will believe whatever nonsense their generational cults, parents or friends or drug abuse influence them to think. Satanists would prefer anarchy, which is just primitive, infantile, not to mention nihilistic.

“I will not go quietly.”

Since: Feb 07

Indianapolis Indiana

#13 Mar 4, 2012
The Gnome wrote:
<quoted text>As I am sure others will say; You are missing the first part. "And if it harms none, do as you will." Harm none... Now what would that mean? It means your a fool.
I wouldn't worry about that one, he's one of those "Satanic Panic" believers.
Me again

Saint Petersburg, FL

#14 Mar 4, 2012
Pagan and Proud wrote:
<quoted text>I wouldn't worry about that one, he's one of those "Satanic Panic" believers.
"Satanic Panic" is just the propagandist copout when whitewashers like you have no other recourse because they aren't intelligent enough to logically argue their point of view. It's like shouting "Salem Witch Trials," invoking 300 year old history any time someone factually points out the dozens of satanists who are perpetrating crimes of ritual abuse and ritual murder. You know, the ones who have ALL BEEN TRIED AND CONVICTED! Thirty years later, we still have liars like you trying to dismiss every single verifiable case of ritual abuse and ritual murder. Satanic Panic of the 80s. Bla, bla, bla. It's 2012, and same sh*t, different century. Informed people are still paying attention, so your propaganda falls on deaf ears. If you ever wonder why people remain distrustful pagans, there is your answer. You trying to gloss over what still goes on with denials and diversions isn't helping your cause.

“I will not go quietly.”

Since: Feb 07

Indianapolis Indiana

#15 Mar 4, 2012
Me again wrote:
<quoted text>
"Satanic Panic" is just the propagandist copout when whitewashers like you have no other recourse because they aren't intelligent enough to logically argue their point of view. It's like shouting "Salem Witch Trials," invoking 300 year old history any time someone factually points out the dozens of satanists who are perpetrating crimes of ritual abuse and ritual murder. You know, the ones who have ALL BEEN TRIED AND CONVICTED! Thirty years later, we still have liars like you trying to dismiss every single verifiable case of ritual abuse and ritual murder. Satanic Panic of the 80s. Bla, bla, bla. It's 2012, and same sh*t, different century. Informed people are still paying attention, so your propaganda falls on deaf ears. If you ever wonder why people remain distrustful pagans, there is your answer. You trying to gloss over what still goes on with denials and diversions isn't helping your cause.
ROFLMAO! Informed people have already dismissed the subject and moved on. The only "distrust" of pagans(in this Country) comes directly from the teachings of Christianity and the propaganda people like yourself try to push as still being "real".

“I will not go quietly.”

Since: Feb 07

Indianapolis Indiana

#16 Mar 4, 2012
Me again wrote:
<quoted text>
Learn how to contract the words "you" and "are" and then come see me with "You're a fool."
And as soon as you correct the abysmal number of misspellings in your own posts(on the other thread you're currently spamming) you can attempt to put down others for their "mistakes".

“Proud to be a Wiccan Priest”

Since: Jul 09

Jonesboro AR

#17 Mar 4, 2012
Me again wrote:
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Or just made sure to deny it if they did! "Do What Thou Wilt," right? How can we trust any religion that teaches the individual is a moral authority unto herself?
No you f*ctard. you know it as it has been explained to you before.. But carry on being a meaningless little dolt.

“Proud to be a Wiccan Priest”

Since: Jul 09

Jonesboro AR

#18 Mar 4, 2012
Me again wrote:
<quoted text>
Learn how to contract the words "you" and "are" and then come see me with "You're a fool."
Pagans clearly added the caveat in more modern times, while satanists never have. Anton Lavey told them "Do As Thou Wilt," and they just blindly followed, except that it gives them individually the freedom to believe whatever stupid rules they want to apply to themselves, or lack thereof. And that is my major ethical issues with it - that fringe groups with nutty beliefs already illustrate just how subjectively they can allow themselves to believe what does or does not cause "harm" to another human being. For example, members of NAMBLA don't think they are causing harm to children.
That is why we need laws to protect the greater good, to insure some safety from crazy people who will believe whatever nonsense their generational cults, parents or friends or drug abuse influence them to think. Satanists would prefer anarchy, which is just primitive, infantile, not to mention nihilistic.
The Wiccan 'Rede which is only relevant to Wiccans and not other Pagan religions.

Is 'An It Harm None, Do As Thou Wilt

Which means minimize the harm one does. Murder would certainly fall outside of the 'Rede.

Do as Thou Wilt: Means your true Will.. What a christian would call god will.. In Wicca we see it in terms of it being for some a life long journey to understanding one self with out illusions of self.

Some one committing murder is not following the 'Rede.

“Proud to be a Wiccan Priest”

Since: Jul 09

Jonesboro AR

#19 Mar 4, 2012
Me again wrote:
<quoted text>
"Satanic Panic" is just the propagandist copout when whitewashers like you have no other recourse because they aren't intelligent enough to logically argue their point of view. It's like shouting "Salem Witch Trials," invoking 300 year old history any time someone factually points out the dozens of satanists who are perpetrating crimes of ritual abuse and ritual murder. You know, the ones who have ALL BEEN TRIED AND CONVICTED! Thirty years later, we still have liars like you trying to dismiss every single verifiable case of ritual abuse and ritual murder. Satanic Panic of the 80s. Bla, bla, bla. It's 2012, and same sh*t, different century. Informed people are still paying attention, so your propaganda falls on deaf ears. If you ever wonder why people remain distrustful pagans, there is your answer. You trying to gloss over what still goes on with denials and diversions isn't helping your cause.
ahh so let me guess the the Illuminati, New World Order and whatever shadowy organization is really in control.

“Dance with Fire- Boycott BS”

Since: Apr 07

Moon

#21 Jun 27, 2013
Yeah, cause pervs like you try to join up and take advantage of people to get laid or coerce them into your fantasy crap. Quit looking up to these people, they get found, busted, and prosecuted and the real Pagans turn their backs on them and denounce them. I would suggest just going to a club and being honest about your fantasies. You'll get a lot further than trying to take advantage of sincere people.

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