Black Wiccans.
Conjure Man

Los Angeles, CA

#77 Dec 4, 2010
CShine wrote:
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No one is stopping you or criticizing your for your desicion or even the motivation for the choice in your path that you made. However, it must leave something wanting for you, because that kind of defensive attitude- especially when no one has challanged your choice, speaks volumes.
Heck, your attitude is so cliche, I wonder that you're really 'an angry black man' or just some pale troll in his mama's basement living out a fantasy?
know im not a pale troll, im more like a black elf.

“ Ah see's lanlubbers Cap'n BT!”

Since: Oct 10

Location hidden

#78 Dec 5, 2010
Why then do you call yourself Pagan, Conjure Man?
Pagan is a Roman connotation from around 1500 A.D.
If you have distaste for European Pagans, why use their connotation, rather than "______" shaman.
Conjure Man

Los Angeles, CA

#79 Dec 5, 2010
albion wrote:
<quoted text>In color or deed?
what do you mean in color or deed? there is no black or white magic, because magick comes from the same source, it only depends on how you use it. if she said she were a white witch, whould you have said in color or deed? 90% of the universe is composed of dark(black)matter. the suns light is fed by a blackhole. now i guess in your book, a black witches deed is evil, and a white witches deed is good. this is what i call subconscious racism in all religions, paganism is no exception. and by your name being albion which means white, i guess your deeds are good. this is what i don't understand, when i speak on the subject of racism in wicca, and paganism, people get really upset. well sorry, racism exist in all relgion created by white people, outwardly, or subconsciously.
Conjure Man

Los Angeles, CA

#80 Dec 5, 2010
Black Thunder 42 wrote:
Why then do you call yourself Pagan, Conjure Man?
Pagan is a Roman connotation from around 1500 A.D.
If you have distaste for European Pagans, why use their connotation, rather than "______" shaman.
tell me somthing blackthunder, ARE YOU ROMAN? pangan is a word that discribes anyone that is not of the abrahamic faiths, and yes, they call africans that have not converted to christianity or islam either kaffer(arabic for pagan) or pagan. i don't have a distaste for any one, im just saying, black people should explore african spiritual paths before jumping into another white created religion. i have nothing against white people, im just saying in their religions, they haven't completly shedded the yolk of racism, even though you think they have, read my post adressed to albion. on black and white magick. THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS BLACK AND WHITE MAGICK!!!

“ Ah see's lanlubbers Cap'n BT!”

Since: Oct 10

Location hidden

#81 Dec 5, 2010
Conjure Man wrote:
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tell me somthing blackthunder, ARE YOU ROMAN? pangan is a word that discribes anyone that is not of the abrahamic faiths, and yes, they call africans that have not converted to christianity or islam either kaffer(arabic for pagan) or pagan. i don't have a distaste for any one, im just saying, black people should explore african spiritual paths before jumping into another white created religion. i have nothing against white people, im just saying in their religions, they haven't completly shedded the yolk of racism, even though you think they have, read my post adressed to albion. on black and white magick. THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS BLACK AND WHITE MAGICK!!!
No, I am not Roman.
I will agree that magick is magick. Call it what you will,it is either used well or misused.
I would encourage anyone to delve as far as possible into their roots, and learn as much as possible.
As far as racism... the sooner the planet is rid of it the better. It is not only a black and white issue, it crosses every ethnic division that has ever come into existance. Maybe the more educated we are about each other, the more we will realize that we are the same. The only difference we have is unfounded predudice fueled by hatred and ignorance. Personally, I have little or no tolerance for either.
Earth Child

Medina, OH

#82 Dec 5, 2010
Conjure Man wrote:
a black wiccan is a joke to me, because wicca is for WHITE FOLK, let them have that. we have enough spiritual stories and magical lore to draw from in africa. magic began in africa, thousands of years ago. if you need a magical text, draw from the khemetic/egyptian book of gates, the egyptian book of the dead, or if you need to follow a divination system, cowrie shell reading is an effective and ancient art of divination.
no disrespect to wicca perse, but black people need to stop chasen a dream, and find what we can call our own.
Who hurt you and who has deprived you to be angry with Black people for not taking up your belief? Why can't they have a choice and WHO said you don't have your own? Not one person here is taking any choice from anyone. There are a lot of people here who are NOT Wiccan. Did you have a girlfriend go Wiccan?
Conjure Man

Los Angeles, CA

#83 Dec 5, 2010
Earth Child wrote:
<quoted text>Who hurt you and who has deprived you to be angry with Black people for not taking up your belief? Why can't they have a choice and WHO said you don't have your own? Not one person here is taking any choice from anyone. There are a lot of people here who are NOT Wiccan. Did you have a girlfriend go Wiccan?
no one has hurt me earth child, im just saying, why not look to africa for your spiritual path? you see, black people still have a taboo about africa, so black people tend do other peoples things without examining their roots, im not telling you to be anything, im beg the question, why do black people always run after other peoples stuff? but here you are condisending me, with dumb questions. for those on this thread that are not wiccan`, then my words don't apply, because this topix is about black wiccans, i say, what is the black attraction to wicca? i don't mean any harm, like yall say, harm none. im just asking the question. and yes im black, and no im not angry, i don't waste energy like that, but i do love to ask questions, because i know you humans are reactionary creatures, so quick to insult.
Conjure Man

Los Angeles, CA

#84 Dec 5, 2010
Black Thunder 42 wrote:
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No, I am not Roman.
I will agree that magick is magick. Call it what you will,it is either used well or misused.
I would encourage anyone to delve as far as possible into their roots, and learn as much as possible.
As far as racism... the sooner the planet is rid of it the better. It is not only a black and white issue, it crosses every ethnic division that has ever come into existance. Maybe the more educated we are about each other, the more we will realize that we are the same. The only difference we have is unfounded predudice fueled by hatred and ignorance. Personally, I have little or no tolerance for either.
who ever said i was racist, i don't have a racist bone in my body, im just asking questions, and im being insulted, so im going speak like spoken to. now, i know some of the SYMBOLOGY in wicca has subconscious racism in it, when it preains to blackness, because when black witch posted, and said that she was a black witch, albion had to ask the question "in color, or deed" which is why i had to make the point that magick has no color, it is energy used to complete a goal, now if that goal is for the bad, then it is negative, but if that goal is for the good, then its posititve.

having said that just to say this, if we as african americans looked to a path african in nature, then you as a black person, would not have to question the faith your in. and yes, i see a lot of questioning on this thread.
Conjure Man

Los Angeles, CA

#85 Dec 5, 2010
teo715 wrote:
The cool thing about the Deities are that they don't care what your ancestry is or what you are now.:)
how do you know that?

are you sure? ancestral gods and goddesses have ethereal links to their people on earth, communicating to them through ancestral spirits. ANCESTRAL SPIRIT COMMUNICATION!!! YOUR ANCESTORS GET IT!!!
Earth Child

Medina, OH

#86 Dec 6, 2010
Conjure Man wrote:
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no one has hurt me earth child, im just saying, why not look to africa for your spiritual path? you see, black people still have a taboo about africa, so black people tend do other peoples things without examining their roots, im not telling you to be anything, im beg the question, why do black people always run after other peoples stuff? but here you are condisending me, with dumb questions. for those on this thread that are not wiccan`, then my words don't apply, because this topix is about black wiccans, i say, what is the black attraction to wicca? i don't mean any harm, like yall say, harm none. im just asking the question. and yes im black, and no im not angry, i don't waste energy like that, but i do love to ask questions, because i know you humans are reactionary creatures, so quick to insult.
Conjure Man, you were not completely clear with your questions at the beginning and came across to us on the defense and you don't get necter that way. So I asked those questions, that you think are dumb, and to others not. And because I did, you explained more. Now, I am interested as to what the taboo is about Africa? I'm asking because I don't know and not being condescending with you. I also can't explain to you what allures people from one to another because everyone will give different answers. Why do some people pick a yellow rose over a pink rose? You'll get different answers from symbology to rememberence to color and superstition.

“ Ah see's lanlubbers Cap'n BT!”

Since: Oct 10

Location hidden

#87 Dec 6, 2010
Conjure Man wrote:
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who ever said i was racist, i don't have a racist bone in my body, im just asking questions, and im being insulted, so im going speak like spoken to. now, i know some of the SYMBOLOGY in wicca has subconscious racism in it, when it preains to blackness, because when black witch posted, and said that she was a black witch, albion had to ask the question "in color, or deed" which is why i had to make the point that magick has no color, it is energy used to complete a goal, now if that goal is for the bad, then it is negative, but if that goal is for the good, then its posititve.
having said that just to say this, if we as african americans looked to a path african in nature, then you as a black person, would not have to question the faith your in. and yes, i see a lot of questioning on this thread.
Reread all your posts.
You will then understand my reply's regarding them.
Your own words carry a segregative attitude. That is the very abstraction that has held Kaffer's, or Pagans, whatever the world wishes to call us, where we are to this day. It is self destructive, and we need to loose it from our being. I'm not just pointing to you, merely pointing it outfor you to see.
Once we have discarded all the dirty rags that soils us, put all our knowledge and tools on the table so everyone can understand it, we might possibly be able to stand tall once again, indiscriminate amoung men in the world.

“Dance with Fire- Boycott BS”

Since: Apr 07

Moon

#88 Dec 7, 2010
Conjure Man wrote:
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who ever said i was racist, i don't have a racist bone in my body, im just asking questions, and im being insulted, so im going speak like spoken to. now, i know some of the SYMBOLOGY in wicca has subconscious racism in it, when it preains to blackness, because when black witch posted, and said that she was a black witch, albion had to ask the question "in color, or deed" which is why i had to make the point that magick has no color, it is energy used to complete a goal, now if that goal is for the bad, then it is negative, but if that goal is for the good, then its posititve.
having said that just to say this, if we as african americans looked to a path african in nature, then you as a black person, would not have to question the faith your in. and yes, i see a lot of questioning on this thread.
That black & white symbolism has nothing to do with Wicca and everything to do with people and society as a whole. You can't cite a brief exchange between two people (and one I know is not Wiccan) as constituting the whole system of correspondances in witchcraft and/or Wicca.

How many centuries have Europeans been obsessed with bleaching things white? Even their food. I've have never been able to understand why everything from sugar to TP had to be snowy white, contrary to it's true state.

While color correspendances in Wicca can be a personal and sometimes evolving thing, if there has been any trend, it has been to prefer the color black, and other dark, earthy tones. If you actually knew anything about actual Wicca and listened to actual priests & preistesses instead of kids who watch too many movies; then you might know that black and other dark colors represent a great deal of interesting and important things to many Wiccans and that most also do not use colors to refer to types of magic workings.

Too bad you have too much of a chip on your shoulder and a filter on your hearing/reading that it can't be discussed with you in a rational, non-insulting way.(and yes, re-read your posts, you've been very judgemental and insulting).
Artemis

Marietta, GA

#89 Jan 1, 2011
Just to let you know, I'm an african american wiccan. And I wear my pentacle with pride. <3 You're not alone!

Kaitlin the Wolf Witch

“An Ye Harm None, Do As Ye Will”

Since: May 10

I Am A Religion-Free Zone

#90 Mar 11, 2011
Artemis wrote:
Just to let you know, I'm an african american wiccan. And I wear my pentacle with pride. <3 You're not alone!
*Oo-rah!*(That's Marine for, "Good on ya!")
shadowulf

United States

#91 Mar 12, 2011
what is with this black wiccan, white wiccan stuff? wiccan is a religion like any other, and it doesn't matter what color you are, if your drwan to it, and practice its customs, then its for you no matter what race you are. some might say islam began with the arab race, but you see muslms of all colors in the world, and the same that goes for western european christianity, many people of all colors follow roman catholicism. and no one questions any ones ethnicity, so why should one say black wiccans, and white wiccans? when should be just wiccans. there are many traditions in wiccan, and its not all celtic. and by the way, wicca has its oringins in free masonary=egyptian, ceromonial magic=alchemy, druid shamanism, and much of it is reconstructed to fit the practioner. so wicca is a tapasry of ancient pagan beliefs from many different ancient customs revised to bring about a path tailer made for the practioner, its not one line of descent.
shadowulf

United States

#92 Mar 13, 2011
Cassaundra wrote:
Although it is true that Wicca per se has no race, I have many pagan friends who are of African American descent, it is not true that it exists outside of a eco-cultural sphere which is European derived. Wicca is NOT a universal faith. We are not attempting to convert the earth to our way of practice. We recognise that missions of conversion are a supremely arrogant and dangerous practice and refuse to take such actions. It is out of our belief that other faiths are valid in their own sphere of influence that our tolerance is born. Yes, Wiccans ARE tree-huggers! Our faith is based on the belief of the inherent sacredness of the natural world and ALL it's inhabitants. Because we believe that ALL are sacred, and that our way is only ONE way to worship, we have respect for all the eco-systems found in our world and the human cultures and peoples that have evolved within them. For this reason,a well-educated Wiccan, and there are certainly far too few of us, will be constantly vigilant for attitudes of cultural appropriation.
(Cultural appropriation is essentially theft of the cultural heritage of another group, ie, white people claiming to be experts on First Nations culture, adopting names such as "laughing deer", and then selling beads and trinkets to make a living)
Wicca does not include cultural references from any lands except Western Europe. We respect and honour the native faiths of such people as Yoruba priestesses, the Ainu people of Japan, or the First Nations of North and South America, but we ARE NOT THEM. We are their kindred and we love them but they are not us.
So, yes, you will find people of African American descent keeping company with Wiccans, some may BE Wiccans. They are welcome. the choice to include someone in a coven is made by each coven. However the choice to request inclusion in a coven is also made individually and many people of African descent will find that there is not enough to truly feed their soul in a Wiccan group. Membership in one of the"sacred women" traditions will often speak to their hearts more than trying to learn all the details of the Tain bo Cualinge. They would rather call Yemaya than Danu or Freya or Odin. This is only right.It honours the sacred within them as it evolved within their own eco-cultural system. That branch of the sacred tree is valuable and precious and needs to be honoured. Diversity springs from honouring difference and allowing it to flourish as it is. There will never be only ONE RELIGION or even one path, and there never should be.
listen! wicca may have bee derived from people from western europe who created its traditions, but its not entirerly based on western european customs. you can find in a lot of its rites the elements of egyptian customs, astro pose of isis, and the arms folded across the chest post of osiris. the concept of the greenman originted in the middle-east, he was know as AL KIDAR meaning "the green one," which its cult spreaded to many parts of europe. and anyone can tell, that wicca TODAY has much of its customs, as far as believing in the sacredness of the earth, was taken from much of the native american cultutre. don't fool your self, wicca is a RECONDTRUCTED spiritual path, so it had to barrow from other cultures. and there nothing wrong with that. but has never been a direct line of european descent, just because europeans develped wicca, because they barrow from other cultures to reconstruct it, and not all of it was derived from european culture, only the term WICCA.
shadowulf

United States

#93 Mar 13, 2011
lets all be who our spirit lead us to be, and leave the details alone, because all that will do is confuse the on lookers, ITS NOT WHERE YOUR FROM, ITS WHERE YOUR AT in the present. we can't blackenize wicca, nomore than one can whitenize it, it is a TAPASTRY faith, and you can choose what tradition is best fit for you, i have not met a wiccan today that follows the gardenerinan path to the letter, and wicca was said to have originated with him, and we know, historically, he barrowed most of its rites from free masons, which barrow there rites from the egyptians, and gnostics, and even the the term "do what thy will, and it harm none," from the rede, was barrowed from alster crowleys "do what thy will is the whole of the law, love under will is the law," only a few words were changed, and we all know alster crowley was a big fan of egyptian magic, which is, in a nutshell, african magic. and it can be said that all magical systems had its origins in africa THE BIRTHPLACE OF MAN AND MAGIC, so lets stop the separation process, because we all have soul and spirit, and we must fallow, what feels right to our soul and spirit.

peace and blessing )0(
shadowulf

United States

#94 Mar 13, 2011
sorry i didn't mean to sound so mocho, afica is the birthplace of WOMAN and MAN.

i hope that i help some to see the light, in what little light i have, because our world is crumbling around us, and where still trying to separate black from white, and yellow from red.

SHE'S BLACK, SHE'S WHITE, SHE'S RED, and all in between.
THE GREAT MOTHER

GAVE BIRTH TO US

ALL!!!!!!!!
shadowulf

United States

#95 Mar 13, 2011
Pharaoh-Nile wrote:
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I heard nothing on Russia but it wouldn't surprise me if their reach made it that far!!
I just don't understand the American obsession with being Irish (or at least having Irish ancestry). Yet in relation to the media Americans seem to think every other nationality wishes to be American. Don't get me wrong America seems to be a lovely place to live but if I ever did decide to move their full time it would not be out of a desire to "Be American" it would simply be because I wnat to live their!!
believe me, not many americans are obsessd with being irish, its just alot of americans have irish ancestry, just like african americans have african ancestry, though americans have other nationalities in us, our blood calls out and guides us to where it wants us to be. and no-one can deny that. ireland, I HEAR, is a great place to visit, but most american rather be where we are, IN AMERICA. i take it that you love egyptian/african cultue, judging by your user name, and that cool, you see, your from ireland, yet, you dig egyptian culture, but here in america, many americans happend to have irish ancestor, and they acknowledge this fact, and explore it. im african american myself, but my grandfather on my fathers side was half irish, and half african american, so should i celebrate my african american heiratige, and deny my irish side? i think not, because that would be to deny part of my self. KNOWING THY SELF IS THE KEY

peace and blessing )0(
shadowulf

United States

#96 Mar 13, 2011
tenn hillbilly, said that he never seen a black witch, or a white person who practice voodoo, well tenn hill billy, where out there, and you will never know by passing us by on the streets, or meeting us at a club. because that is something you might not see with your mortal eyes, but you may find out through asking. the first person to spark the salem witch triles, was a african american, orisha witch named TATUBA, from barbados, who was a slave of a puritin family. she may have been the only real witch to have been killed during those dark times in salem, most of the others were christians.

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