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Hecate23

United States

#2 May 17, 2007
There is more of a connection between the Celts an the Africans than most people know. Ever hear of the Black Celts? There's an interesting article based on this, called "The African Origins of the Holy Grail and the Witch's Cauldron."
http://www.key64.net/content/post/540-The-Afr...
Arianne Weaver

Brighton, UK

#4 May 19, 2007
MacLeongaway wrote:
I never could understand why some blacks practice this stuff. I hate it. It's more of a white celtic people thing.
Well, the Wiccan chant "Isis, Astarte, Diana, Hecate, Demeter, Kali, Innanna" is " African/Egyptian, Middle-Eastern/Babylonian, European/Roman, European/Greek, European/Greek, Asian/Indian, Middle-Eastern/Sumerian", isn't it? Not all Wiccans follow Celtic traditions, not all are white! I'm mixed-up!- white to look at, but with a Jewish grandparent. My equally white-looking Wiccan husband has a black grandparent, so you can't always tell! Wicca is something you're either drawn to or not - race has nothing to do with it!

If you're not, then fine - hope you find peace and the Divine through your own Path - but PLEASE don't make this racist - it just isn't !

Bright Blessings, Arianne.

Since: Feb 07

Limerick, Ireland

#6 May 20, 2007
tenn-hillbilly wrote:
<quoted text>RE:Why is Wicca often referred to as white-witchcraft?Come to think of it i have never see a picture of a black witch.Just an observation.Never seen a picture of a voodoo man being white either.Just an observation.Personally i hope to live a life good enough that noone wants to put spells on me and let me live as i have enough faith and trying to get plenty of salvation to do me.I just want to be free and not labelized as being anything other than a good person that did not diss other faiths but was a light for people to follow that proved his beliefs to be true.Things have happened to me of late that are very supernatural and even very simple things that i have asked for they came true.Peace to those willing to fight for it.
Well the reason for it being referred to as "White-witchcraft" or "White-wicca" is that the white symbolises purify and that the practitioner is not bad or a left-hand practitioner, such people would eb called "black-witces". It's from the concepts of absolute good and absolute evil! Most Wiccans generally prefer not to use the colour scheme because people make mistakes even if they are Wiccan or Witches. Its correcting those mistakes whenever we can that determines where in the spectrum a person resides.

As for never seeing a picture of any witch other than caucasion one's thats more to do with how people associate Witchcraft as being an Indo-European faith. The "Old Hag" casting bad spells cackling loudly or the young "temptress" enchanting the object of her desire! You never see any male witches either yet we exist!!

I hope you find your way to your goal! Brightest blessings to you as always!
Hecate23

United States

#7 May 20, 2007
I know many pagans of various races, and professions. This is a beautiful thing. We may not all announce it to the world, but we ARE everywhere! There is power in numbers. Peace.
Lucian

Pahrump, NV

#8 May 20, 2007
I agree with most of you. The pracice of Wicca, The Craft or any other Pagan religion is never race based. I am a Spanish Man and the High Priest of a Wiccan Temple. This is not part of the typical Wiccan image. Most people think of Witches as being white women and this is a huge misconception.

I am not Irish, but I tend to follow a more Celtic path. But this is no different than Africans being Christians, even though Jesus is Jewish, depending on who you ask. Does this mean that this religion only belongs to Jewish people? I don't think so. Paganism is a very wondervul and diverse spiritual path, which makes it so wonderful.

“Believe in yourself. ”

Since: Jan 07

Montrose Co

#9 May 20, 2007
Race has very little to do with faith.

Beliefs, faiths, religions and paths of discovery are personal. Each spirit finds it's place and the body enveloping that Spirit is just the body.
Panther56

South San Francisco, CA

#10 May 20, 2007
There is a growing number of African American women who refer to themselves as "sacred women", thereby avoiding the problems that arise when the word "witch" is used. The practices of sacred women are similar to those of any person or persons who regard themselves as healers on a spiritual path.

In Ghana there was (or may still be) a prison/village just for witches. When such a person is called upon to help someone who is ill and the particular herbs and accompanying incantations do not work, she may be reported as a witch, tried and sentenced to said prison/village.

I am a solitary witch of African-American descent. Among African Americans there is a thread of practices that could be labelled witchcraft,instead it is called something else. A rose by any other name... so to speak. The magic store in my area is visted by everyone from Christians to witches. It is quite a joyous time when I go there on a day when there are many practitioners present from the various paths. We can all get along.
Merry Met,Panther56

“sanity is curable ”

Since: Mar 07

Dayton

#11 May 21, 2007
You know, now that I think of it, most folk's who follow the pagan path( at least the ones I have met) all seem to have respect for all different types of spirituality, like I know alot who love the native american path, the buddist path, eastern, african. It seems that we hold each other in good standing, I have never known a pagan who has shown prejudice,and that thought has never actually crossed my mind.
Panther56

South San Francisco, CA

#12 May 21, 2007
Madera wrote:
You know, now that I think of it, most folk's who follow the pagan path( at least the ones I have met) all seem to have respect for all different types of spirituality, like I know alot who love the native american path, the buddist path, eastern, african. It seems that we hold each other in good standing, I have never known a pagan who has shown prejudice,and that thought has never actually crossed my mind.


I have experienced the downside of pagan interactions. I posted to a forum about a year ago. There were ongoing arguments and truly nasty vibrations among the various forum members. One Elf in particular was very unkind and unfriendly. As this was my one and only encounter with an elf I would appreciate meeting one who may be more representative of their group.

I accept the fact that we are all humans seeking the paths that will empower us which in turn will assist in empowering others. I'd rather talk to a belligerent Elf than a happy Neo-Nazi. Merry met:)

“Believe in yourself. ”

Since: Jan 07

Montrose Co

#15 May 21, 2007
tenn-hillbilly wrote:
<quoted text>RE:There is so much a person can learn from you.Have you wrote any books and if so could you tell me where i could find one.I do most of my reading in the Bible and though i know you get your spirituality from other books i am curious if you have written any.Is there a book that your faith looks to for enlightenment.Or do you get yours from different books?I can leave an address on here where you could send it.It wont be my address but it is a place where i could pick it up sometime.My curiosity gets the best of me.What does the year 2012 mean to you if anything other than just another year in time?pEace to those willing to fightb forit.
I have written Botanical papers and Theological studies but never any book that would be fit for the general public. Most of the wording would be scientific and ultimately dull reading.

“sanity is curable ”

Since: Mar 07

Dayton

#19 May 22, 2007
MacLeongaway wrote:
<quoted text>Rubish, there is hatred in everyone, and pagans are human, not an idealism. I have met many hateful pagans. I hope you realize you just stereotyped Pagans as being tree huggers.
What is up with you? You look for negativity in everything, to bad you have had such bad experiences, but I often find that you draw that stuff to you by your own action's. I am sharing MY experience's. I never said there wasnt hatred, just that the pagan's I have met are very open minded and never have brought race into the issue. And I for one refuse to let it start now.

“sanity is curable ”

Since: Mar 07

Dayton

#21 May 23, 2007
tennhillbilly wrote:
I wasnt trying to bring race into this forum or any other forum for that matter.I was just making an obsevation.Personally i have plenty of other things that are much more important than getting into racism.I dont believe in affirmitive action though.A job application should not even have a place to put what race you were.The best qualified person should get the job no matter the color.To be humbly honest Madfera,i mostly look at your bio and your face and let my mind take over from there.I can tell you are a person that knows what you want in life and i think you will get there.I think you will be a high priestess someday so when that day comes remember who the first person told you so.Your eyes are looking ahead with purpose in them and your Mona Lisa smile can brighten up my day.Hope to see you someday.Peace to those willing to fight for it.P.S.How is your child?
My Little Guy is doing great, he has made the honor roll all year. I am so proud. He is one of the best thing's that has ever happened to me, now I truly know what true love is. Thank you for asking Tenn.

“Family Wiccan”

Since: May 07

Stoke-on-Trent

#22 May 23, 2007
[QUOTE who="MacLeongaway How is this thread racist? I am Irish and Black.[/QUOTE]
Sorry if it came across that way, but I was saying that Wicca/Paganism ISN'T racist, but you'd asked how black people could practice it. Answer - the same way as anyone, of any colour or race can. If you don't think it's right for you, personally, fine, but that's NOT because you're black! The religion and its practices varies from person to person, group to group, calling on God/esses each thinks is right for them at that time.
One of my favourite chants is to Yemaya, by the way!

Blessings, Arianne

“Dance with Fire- Boycott BS”

Since: Apr 07

Moon

#23 May 23, 2007
Would you mind sharing the Yemaya Chant? I know there would not be the benefit of musical notes, but I tend to pick up on the cadences pretty well.

Thanks!
Shine

Since: Feb 07

Limerick, Ireland

#24 May 23, 2007
MacLeongaway wrote:
<quoted text>How is this thread racist? I am Irish and Black.
I beg you to at least tell me that when you say you're Irish that you were born here!! At the very least grandparents but if you're one of those annoying yanks that class themselves as Irish because you eat Lucky Charms everyday I have terrible surprise for you...Lucky Charms aren't even sold over here!! Nothing annoys Irish people more than to hear someone counts themselves as Irish because some distant aunt twice removed and married to next door neighbour's mother's brother is Irish!

“sanity is curable ”

Since: Mar 07

Dayton

#25 May 24, 2007
Pharaoh-Nile wrote:
<quoted text>
I beg you to at least tell me that when you say you're Irish that you were born here!! At the very least grandparents but if you're one of those annoying yanks that class themselves as Irish because you eat Lucky Charms everyday I have terrible surprise for you...Lucky Charms aren't even sold over here!! Nothing annoys Irish people more than to hear someone counts themselves as Irish because some distant aunt twice removed and married to next door neighbour's mother's brother is Irish!
HAhahahahahaha, that was funny.

Since: Feb 07

Limerick, Ireland

#27 May 24, 2007
MacLeongaway wrote:
<quoted text> I was born with red hair.
Oh dear Gaia!!!!!!!!!! What the hell are you on!!! Red hair!! Red hair has nothing I repeat nothing to do with nationality! I know English people with Red hair! And as for the amount of Irish people with red hair I know 2! count one and one makes two!! Dos, Zwei, Dhá...actually do you know any Irish? Ach, a Dhia tabhair dom fhoighid mar má tabhair Thú neart dom marú mé leis!!!!

Since: Feb 07

Limerick, Ireland

#29 May 25, 2007
MacLeongaway wrote:
<quoted text>Well, I tried to learn Celtic, and it is a very hard language, it has no affiliation with the other Euoropean countries, which speak mainly a Latin based dialect. I have Celtic blood. But I am American.
Stop!! Stop now I beg you! Celtic is a musical genre! It is modern and has very little to do with Ireland! And as for Gaeilge (Irish) having no relation to the other European languages...BS! It's a germainic language and shares many similaries to German and Dutch. I know you're American I can tell by the fact taht you believe their is such a thing as Celtic blood!!...If you even dream of saying the Celtics were the ancient Druids I will scream! Druids were an order - a faith system. Celtic is a name that was given to the people that migrated from Central and lower parts of Germany and the northern parts of France to places like Ireland! They themselves did not call themselves Celtic!

“Dance with Fire- Boycott BS”

Since: Apr 07

Moon

#31 May 25, 2007
Pharaoh-Nile wrote:
<quoted text>
Celtic is a name that was given to the people that migrated from Central and lower parts of Germany and the northern parts of France to places like Ireland! They themselves did not call themselves Celtic!
Thanks. I recently had the supreme pleasure of attending a Loreena McKennit concert. Now I know she is something of a catch perfermor for American Pagans, but I was very pleasantly surprised to hear her speak knowledgeably on Celtic cultural history.

I won't be able to paraphrase it very well, but she (such a looovely voice she has) said something to the effect that: now you know that the Celtic culture has been a major point of inspiration for my music, and I think that there is this misconception that the Celts are these war-ready blue-painted peoples of Britain (pause for audience laughter), but they--- and then she went on to say pretty much what you had.

Later in the concert she talked about the Celtic arm that extended into the Silk Road and had contact with many Arabic peoples. She talked about how they found mummies in China with red hair!

So awesome really, we are just beginning to learn the full extent of Celtic influences and contacts.
Hecate23

United States

#32 May 25, 2007
Pharaoh-Nile wrote:
<quoted text>
Stop!! Stop now I beg you! Celtic is a musical genre! It is modern and has very little to do with Ireland! And as for Gaeilge (Irish) having no relation to the other European languages...BS! It's a germainic language and shares many similaries to German and Dutch. I know you're American I can tell by the fact taht you believe their is such a thing as Celtic blood!!...If you even dream of saying the Celtics were the ancient Druids I will scream! Druids were an order - a faith system. Celtic is a name that was given to the people that migrated from Central and lower parts of Germany and the northern parts of France to places like Ireland! They themselves did not call themselves Celtic!
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