My friendly neighbourhood witches

My friendly neighbourhood witches

There are 454 comments on the entertainment.timesonline.co.uk story from Jul 7, 2008, titled My friendly neighbourhood witches . In it, entertainment.timesonline.co.uk reports that:

by Ken Russell

I was privileged to drag my Hammer-Horror fantasies into the lair of a real witch and warlock for correctional instruction Ken Russell In a heavily wooded hollow in the heart of the New Forest lies the village ...

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Lady AmberMoon

Morganton, NC

#1 Jul 8, 2008
It is my understanding that the term "Warlock" means "one who breaks oaths", not "male witch".

What is the current thought on this topic?

“What?????????”

Since: Dec 07

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#2 Jul 8, 2008
I think "Warlock" is a made for TV term. The only ones I ever remember are Uncle Arther, Dr. Bombay, and Maurice, Samantha's father. On the show, a Warlock was a male Witch.

Since: Feb 08

King Of Prussia, PA

#3 Jul 8, 2008
That's true - the term 'Warlock' is actually offensive to a Witch because it basically means 'Traitor. A Male Witch is a Witch.

“Just Li'l ol' me....LiLi”

Since: Jun 07

Like many others

#4 Jul 8, 2008
My understanding is that a witch is a witch whether male or female. That the term "warlock" means "traitor" or "oath-breaker" and is quite offensive.

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#5 Jul 8, 2008
LiLi LaVeau wrote:
My understanding is that a witch is a witch whether male or female. That the term "warlock" means "traitor" or "oath-breaker" and is quite offensive.
I'll tell you what... call him what you want, but that Uncle Arther was a hoot! Samantha takes the cover off the frying pan, there's Uncle Arther's head in the pan... scares the crap out of her and goes..."HAAAALOE".

“Just Li'l ol' me....LiLi”

Since: Jun 07

Like many others

#6 Jul 8, 2008
Andromedust wrote:
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I'll tell you what... call him what you want, but that Uncle Arther was a hoot! Samantha takes the cover off the frying pan, there's Uncle Arther's head in the pan... scares the crap out of her and goes..."HAAAALOE".
<snicker snicker> Yeah I remember that...I used to LOVE that show......then they got the "new" Darren and it lost something. I still watched it though.

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#7 Jul 12, 2008
LiLi LaVeau wrote:
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<snicker snicker> Yeah I remember that...I used to LOVE that show......then they got the "new" Darren and it lost something. I still watched it though.
Yeah, new Darren definitely sucked. I kept wishing Endora would put a death hex on him instead of just the practical joke spells she hit him with.
AJS

United States

#8 Oct 4, 2008
Lady AmberMoon wrote:
It is my understanding that the term "Warlock" means "one who breaks oaths", not "male witch".
What is the current thought on this topic?
AT Beltaine when my coven allows males, they are referred to as Witches, or Priests...

“WOOH!!”

Since: May 08

Vallejo, CA

#9 Oct 4, 2008
I've never heard a male referred to as a warlock, except in cheezy movies, and the articles written by Fundy whacknuts that don't know what they're talking about.

I don't know if there's any group or person that actually uses that word to describe a male witch.

“Follow your dreams”

Since: Jul 07

Sydney, Australia

#10 Oct 4, 2008
The only warlock I know of is Julian Sands in the 1989 movie. Really liked the movie too...especially for all the little quirky superstitions that are all through the movie.

Since: Feb 08

ANOKA, MN

#11 Oct 4, 2008
At the local Pagan Pride they're having a panel called "Just Call Me Darren" - for folks who's
SO is pagan when they're not. If my husband wasn't working tomorrow, I'd send him there.

“CHRISTIANITYIS AMENTAL DISEASE”

Since: May 10

"---TOO BAD IT'S NOT FATAL"

#12 Mar 30, 2011
Lady AmberMoon wrote:
It is my understanding that the term "Warlock" means "one who breaks oaths", not "male witch".
What is the current thought on this topic?
You're right.
William

New Glasgow, Canada

#13 Mar 31, 2011
O.E. wærloga "traitor, liar, enemy," from wær "faith, a compact" (cf. O.H.G. wara "truth," O.N. varar "solemn promise, vow;" see very; cf. also Varangian)+ agent noun related to leogan "to lie" (see lie (v.1)). Original primary sense seems to have been "oath-breaker;" given special application to the devil (c.1000), but also used of giants and cannibals. Meaning "one in league with the devil" is recorded from c.1300. Ending in -ck and meaning "male equivalent of witch" (1560s) are from Scottish.

Honestly I don't see why 'witches' are offended by the term...'witch' isn't much better in terms of it's historical meaning.

“CHRISTIANITYIS AMENTAL DISEASE”

Since: May 10

"---TOO BAD IT'S NOT FATAL"

#14 Mar 31, 2011
William wrote:
O.E. wærloga "traitor, liar, enemy," from wær "faith, a compact" (cf. O.H.G. wara "truth," O.N. varar "solemn promise, vow;" see very; cf. also Varangian)+ agent noun related to leogan "to lie" (see lie (v.1)). Original primary sense seems to have been "oath-breaker;" given special application to the devil (c.1000), but also used of giants and cannibals. Meaning "one in league with the devil" is recorded from c.1300. Ending in -ck and meaning "male equivalent of witch" (1560s) are from Scottish.
Honestly I don't see why 'witches' are offended by the term...'witch' isn't much better in terms of it's historical meaning.
"Wicce" (or wicca) is derived from an Anglo Saxon term for "wise woman." Many witches--including myself--are taking "witch" away from the lying christians and reclaiming it as our rightful title.
William

New Glasgow, Canada

#15 Apr 4, 2011
Sorceress Kaitlin wrote:
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"Wicce" (or wicca) is derived from an Anglo Saxon term for "wise woman." Many witches--including myself--are taking "witch" away from the lying christians and reclaiming it as our rightful title.
What exactly are Christians lying about?
It not only in the English language or in Christianized countries that people have a negative connotation of the word "witch". Every language of every culture has their equivalent to the word as well, and it never has anything to do with wisdom, midwifery, or herbalism (except in the making of poisons). You speak with great certainty as to the origins of the word when the meaning of witch has been in dispute for many years. History and social opinion on witches however is rarely in dispute. Just because you want to take something negative and clean it up doesn't change what it is.
You can blame Christians all you like for many things, but not for making a witch evil.

“CHRISTIANITYIS AMENTAL DISEASE”

Since: May 10

"---TOO BAD IT'S NOT FATAL"

#16 Apr 4, 2011
Sorceress Kaitlin wrote:
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"Wicce" (or wicca) is derived from an Anglo Saxon term for "wise woman." Many witches--including myself--are taking "witch" away from the lying christians and reclaiming it as our rightful title.
William wrote:
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What exactly are Christians lying about?
There are not enough hours in a day to adequately answer that. Let's just say it begins with their claim that the bible is the word of some god, and from there it just gets worse.
William wrote:
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It not only in the English language or in Christianized countries that people have a negative connotation of the word "witch".
Yes it is. Non-English speakers don't use the word witch; they use their own equivalent. I'm speaking specifically of the English word. Stop trying to muddy the waters.
William wrote:
<quoted text>...You speak with great certainty as to the origins of the word when the meaning of witch has been in dispute for many years.
I know my subject.
William wrote:
<quoted text>... History and social opinion on witches however is rarely in dispute. Just because you want to take something negative and clean it up doesn't change what it is.
It's the christians who took a word and maligned it. You're trying to do it right now.

People like me are taking the word back.
William wrote:
<quoted text>... You can blame Christians all you like for many things, but not for making a witch evil.
No, we're not evil; it's you christians who lie for your jesus who are evil.
William

New Glasgow, Canada

#17 Apr 4, 2011
Sorceress Kaitlin wrote:
Sorceress Kaitlin wrote:

No, we're not evil; it's you christians who lie for your jesus who are evil.
Nice judgement on your part, nothing like jumping to conclusions.
I'm not going to respond to your other refutations, if you can call them that, because they are simply jaded comments to try and support something you have chosen to accept without any facts to base your opinion on...
First of all I'm not Christian... and it's so called neo-witches, such as yourslf, who spread the same lies and inaccuracies regarding factual history that cause most of the problems modern witches face today. I suggest you get your facts straight and stop with all the wishful thinking.
You have CHOSEN to call yourself a witch and you obviously hate Christians so you combine the two and invent stories blaming Christians for all your woes, when in fact you weren't even alive when 'witches' were persecuted or deemed evil. And I use the term 'witch' lightly as most of those persecuted, tortured, burned or hanged for heresy...(yes heresy, since midwifery, potion-making etc were not crimes... only WITCHcraft because being in league with the devil was heresy and punishable by death as a crime against God)... were in fact CHRISTIAN. Witches were evil, and are still considered evil in most cultures, regardless of what name you call them. It is the act, not the label that makes something evil. You want to 'take back' a label you never owned in the first place, then when you don't like the negative baggage attached to said label you try to deny it ever existed and blame Christians for being responsible for untold lies and treachery as if they were committed against you personally just to deny you your witch name.
But by all means educate me, since you claim you know your subject.

“CHRISTIANITYIS AMENTAL DISEASE”

Since: May 10

"---TOO BAD IT'S NOT FATAL"

#18 Apr 4, 2011
Sorceress Kaitlin wrote:
No, we're not evil; it's you christians who lie for your jesus who are evil
William wrote:
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Nice judgement on your part
Mi scusi; I forgot only you christians are allowed to judge...even though your own bible tells you not to.
William wrote:
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nothing like jumping to conclusions.
Says the guy who calls witches "evil." Have you done your biblical duty by killing one?
William wrote:
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I'm not going to respond to your other refutations,
Because you can't.
William wrote:
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if you can call them that, because they are simply jaded comments to try and support something you have chosen to accept without any facts to base your opinion on...
I got history on my side, scooter, and I got family tradition; what have you got besides your hate and the insecurity in your own faith?
William wrote:
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First of all I'm not Christian
Then why do you defend them?
William wrote:
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and it's so called neo-witches, such as yourslf,
My matrilineal family's tradition of stregheria goes back eight generations.
William wrote:
<quoted text>...(snipped for brevity) You have CHOSEN to call yourself a witch and you obviously hate Christians
You christians always project your hate onto others. Makes you feel all indignant and self-righteous. As for me, I'm just telling the truth.
So what is it that pissed you off so much? That simple statement of truth around my avatar--"Satan lives only in the hearts of its believers?" How does it feel to deny your own faith just for the sake of attacking mine? I'll bet you just tell yourself that your jesus forgives you, don't you?
You're a christian, all right.
William wrote:
<quoted text>... so you combine the two and invent stories blaming Christians for all your woes,
Not for all my woes, liar. Read up on the history of your religion. Are you really trying to claim that I made up the stories about Salem, the Inquisition, the Crusades, the Westboro Baptists, Operation:Rescue, ad infinitum? Go ahead; tell us all about how I made all that up.
William wrote:
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when in fact you weren't even alive when 'witches' were persecuted or deemed evil.
Nor were you when your fellow christians were allegedly persecuted in the old days for their beliefs; yet you demand that we all believe *that,* don't you?
You christians branded us pagans all "evil" long before I was born, because you hated what you perceived as "competition."
William wrote:
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And I use the term 'witch' lightly as most of those persecuted, tortured, burned or hanged for heresy...(yes heresy, since midwifery, potion-making etc were not crimes
Not the midwifery, but the potion-making and the worship of ancient gods were *definitely* crimes to be punished by immolation.
William wrote:
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... only WITCHcraft because being in league with the devil
Christian slander.
Witches were never in league with the "devil"; that was yet another false charged leveled against pagans by christians.
I know the history. Anyone who dared to defend the innocent and wrongly charged against malicious charges of "witchcraft" stood accused themselves, and they suffered the same fate.*Anyone* who defended a "witch" was guilty of being one.
That's what your goddamned christianity did for the world.
William wrote:
<quoted text>Witches were evil,
No they weren't; you're parroting centuries-old christian propaganda, and proving my point.
William wrote:
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and are still considered evil in most cultures, regardless of what name you call them.
Yes, in christianized countries. I've read the news reports.
William wrote:
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It is the act, not the label that makes something evil.
Yeah, like burning innocent people at the stake in the name of your savior god.
William

New Glasgow, Canada

#19 Apr 5, 2011
You spew the same rhetoric I have heard a thousand times.... I have already told you I am not Christian yet you insist I am because that is the only explanation you can come up with for me not agreeing with you and supporting your unjustified claims.
You are simply on a Christian bashing spree.
Your head is filled with the same misconceptions and wishes as every other person who calls themselves a witch without bothering to even learn the history of witchcraft. And please don't try to justify your validity by making a false claim that your a part of a 'tradition' that goes back 8 generations, I've heard it all before. I never said once that historical events were made up, as you want to claim... but ask yourself WHY the term WITCH was used for those persecuted. Because it was associated with evil BEFORE these times, and always has been. You simply can't handle the truth.
Learn the FACTUAL HISTORICAL truth behind a word before you defend it and give it false meaning just because you would prefer it to mean what you want.

"Anthropologists have shown that even in primitive societies, notably the Azande, the definition of the word witch carries malevolent connotations. Therefore, are we to assume the only "good" witches were English ones?" ( Anton LaVey, The Satanic Rituals, Page 13)

“CHRISTIANITYIS AMENTAL DISEASE”

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"---TOO BAD IT'S NOT FATAL"

#20 Apr 5, 2011
William wrote:
You spew the same rhetoric I have heard a thousand times.... I have already told you I am not Christian yet you insist I am because that is the only explanation you can come up with for me not agreeing with you and supporting your unjustified claims.
I just don't buy the idea of your trying to defend something you claim you don't even believe.
William wrote:
You are simply on a Christian bashing spree.
See what I mean? If you're not a christian, then why do you care?

How does it feel to deny your own faith just so you can try to score a point in an internet debate? Doesn't that shame you just a little bit? Or do you simply tell yourself that your jesus forgives you? Is that it?

Man, is that pathetic, or what?

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