'Constantine's Sword' Angers Catholics

'Constantine's Sword' Angers Catholics

There are 176 comments on the abcnews.go.com story from Apr 20, 2008, titled 'Constantine's Sword' Angers Catholics. In it, abcnews.go.com reports that:

Call it coincidence or providence. A new documentary about Christian anti-Semitism that has drawn the ire of some Catholic groups premiered Friday in New York -- the same day Pope Benedict XVI visited a synagogue on the city's Upper East Side. ...

Pope Benedict even makes an appearance in the film, when he visits a synagogue in Cologne, Germany, shortly after his installation as pope. There he condemns the Nazi genocide but characterizes it as an outgrowth of neo-paganism.

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Since: Mar 08

Middleton, WI

#21 Apr 22, 2008
As Hitler once said "If the Jews hadn't existed I'd have invented them." He was an opportunist. He would likely have been just as quick to adopt and pervert hinduism if it was a better and easier fit for his cause.
hey fool

United States

#22 Apr 22, 2008
Ilona wrote:
<quoted text>
True! I'd also like to add that at the time Hitler came into Power, Germany was in bad shape. Hitler made all sorts of promises and the German people fell for it. He was basically a fanatical leader who was most likely psychotic and/or delusional. He was NOT a Pagan, NOT a witch. In fact he believed that he was doing God's work. Just goes to show you how very much the catholic bible is open to different interpretation.
He did not believe he was doing gods work, he hated God and anything that had to do with Christianity, open up a history book and find out for yourself.
hey fool

United States

#23 Apr 22, 2008
Natalia Tikimirova wrote:
The truth is it had nothing to do with Neo Paganism, it had to do with the moral failings of Popes Leo the 16th and Pius the 12th.
Pius the 12th, even gave blessings to the invasion of Russia, where every man woman and child was killed by the Germans for the first 500 miles.
How dare this pompous old fool try to shift the blame.
Where do you get your ideas from, you should open up a history book and find out for yourself, Pius the twelth never ordered oe blessed any invasion. Popes do not do that. You are clueless when it come to the history of the Church.
hey there

United States

#24 Apr 22, 2008
Ilona wrote:
<quoted text>
True! I'd also like to add that at the time Hitler came into Power, Germany was in bad shape. Hitler made all sorts of promises and the German people fell for it. He was basically a fanatical leader who was most likely psychotic and/or delusional. He was NOT a Pagan, NOT a witch. In fact he believed that he was doing God's work. Just goes to show you how very much the catholic bible is open to different interpretation.
He was a pagan, He detested
God and all God stood for. He wanted to be a god, therefore he was a pagan, How could someone be Christian and want to be a god? He could not. He was therefore a pagan.
hey there

United States

#25 Apr 22, 2008
Natalia Tikimirova wrote:
The truth is it had nothing to do with Neo Paganism, it had to do with the moral failings of Popes Leo the 16th and Pius the 12th.
Pius the 12th, even gave blessings to the invasion of Russia, where every man woman and child was killed by the Germans for the first 500 miles.
How dare this pompous old fool try to shift the blame.
Please do research on the popes before you comment on what they did . Pius the 12th did not bless or order an invasion, get real and read a history book.

“Wisdom is Magic to the Soul”

Since: Feb 08

Douglas, WY

#26 Apr 22, 2008
A can of worms or a bucket of snakes, here goes.

As far as Popes and/or the church doing anything wrong and inhumane in history or present - don't give them matches and I am sure they did or almost filed bankruptcy due to some accounting errors, not misconduct.

As for Hitler, sick man and the opposite of what I believe a pagan sees as one of our own. I do not know if he did tarot readings, but he did place his battleships according to the pendulum on the maps. This does not make him of the Earth and people loving pagan faith that has come down through the ages. How accurately the pendulum worked is interesting. Shows it works!?! Since we are a "harm none" group, don't worry, we won't use it to seek out those of hatred hearts.

“Judgy not lest ye be judgied!”

Since: Feb 08

Farmington, NM

#27 Apr 22, 2008
hey there wrote:
<quoted text>He was a pagan, He detested
God and all God stood for. He wanted to be a god, therefore he was a pagan, How could someone be Christian and want to be a god? He could not. He was therefore a pagan.
You tell others to do research before they post, but do you practice what you preach? Pagans do not want to be God.

Since: Mar 08

Middleton, WI

#28 Apr 22, 2008
hey there wrote:
<quoted text>He was a pagan, He detested
God and all God stood for. He wanted to be a god, therefore he was a pagan, How could someone be Christian and want to be a god? He could not. He was therefore a pagan.
Not christian does not mean pagan. It means not christian.
hey there

United States

#29 Apr 22, 2008
Introibo ad altare Dei
Ad Deum qui laetificat juventutem meam.
hey there

United States

#30 Apr 22, 2008
Wiccad wrote:
<quoted text>
You tell others to do research before they post, but do you practice what you preach? Pagans do not want to be God.
I said Adoph Hitler wanted to be a god. Therefore he was a pagan.

Since: Mar 08

Middleton, WI

#31 Apr 22, 2008
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hitler#Religious...
or
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adolf_Hitler%27s...

Regardless of your opinion of wikipedia, this particular article sites several sources saying that not only was Hitler a christian, but he criticized his occultist liutenants in Mein Kampf directly.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Positive_Christi...

This article, also sourced, shows that, as I theorized earlier, that he did alter christianity to fit his own views:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Positive_Christi...

"My feeling as a Christian points me to my Lord and Savior as a fighter. It points me to the man who once in loneliness, surrounded by a few followers, recognized these Jews for what they were and summoned men to fight against them and who, God's truth! was greatest not as a sufferer but as a fighter." Hitler, 1927

Granted, those pages do make mention of some occult tendencies, but there is very strong evidence that he believed in his own militant racist version of Christianity, not paganism.

I love how people come on here saying 'open a history book' when clearly they, themselves, have not. Looking this up took mere minutes.

“Just a Koldunia”

Since: Jan 08

Kostroma

#33 Apr 22, 2008
hey there wrote:
<quoted text>Please do research on the popes before you comment on what they did . Pius the 12th did not bless or order an invasion, get real and read a history book.
Great Book that you should read, entitled "Hitler's Pope" written by John Cornwell.

Also perhaps you should research Pope Benny who made this outrageous claim that Nazism sprung from Paganism. Did you know he himself was a member of the Hitler Youth movement, when he was a teen in Germany? True.

“Vi Veri Veniversum Vivus Vici ”

Since: Dec 07

Long Island

#34 Apr 22, 2008
Ya know, if you're going to spam our boards, Knit and Prey, at least have the backbone to do it under your own name. Your inflammatory rhetoric, bad grammar, and piss poor knowledge of history give you away.

“Judgy not lest ye be judgied!”

Since: Feb 08

Farmington, NM

#35 Apr 22, 2008
hey there wrote:
<quoted text>I said Adoph Hitler wanted to be a god. Therefore he was a pagan.
And I said that pagans do not want to be God. Therefore your statement does NOT make Hitler a pagan.
TellitTwoHistory

Salt Lake City, UT

#36 Apr 22, 2008
SO ! Has anyone seen this documentary ?

“Just a Koldunia”

Since: Jan 08

Kostroma

#37 Apr 22, 2008
Not yet but I understand it is coming to UNCA Memorial Weekend.

Since: Mar 08

Middleton, WI

#38 Apr 22, 2008
hey there wrote:
Introibo ad altare Dei
Ad Deum qui laetificat juventutem meam.
Ya, this pseudo-philosophical public prayer smacks of K&P. For those who didn't care to look it up it's basically asking to enter into god who enriches her youth. I think the latin crap was part of the reason why we had the protestant revolution and Vatican Council II, btw. Especially when clearly all you're doing it for is to sound smart.

Since: Mar 08

Middleton, WI

#39 Apr 22, 2008
nope Tell. I'm not particularly interested, actually. You make a good point, we have essentially marched a battle right into another topic's back yard.

“Farewell”

Since: Mar 08

GREENWOOD

#40 Apr 22, 2008
hey there wrote:
<quoted text>He was a pagan, He detested
God and all God stood for. He wanted to be a god, therefore he was a pagan, How could someone be Christian and want to be a god? He could not. He was therefore a pagan.
This remark is so thoroughly ignorant that I must think it is just a joke. This person clearly wants anger and discourse because even a minimal amount of reading on Paganism would not leave a person so completely clueless.

“Farewell”

Since: Mar 08

GREENWOOD

#41 Apr 22, 2008
hey there wrote:
<quoted text>I said Adoph Hitler wanted to be a god. Therefore he was a pagan.
You are a fool to be pitied.

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