Fisher Cat

Gloucester, VA

#1 Sep 23, 2012
As a non white person who has read from many Wiccan/Pagan forums and message boards I sense a bit of bias against people of color.

My question is are these Pagans who are, or practice Pagan spirituality that originated from Europe racially bias as far as non white people are concerned ?

“Shoot for the stars”

Since: Dec 10

Planet Earth

#2 Sep 24, 2012
Fisher Cat wrote:
As a non white person who has read from many Wiccan/Pagan forums and message boards I sense a bit of bias against people of color.
My question is are these Pagans who are, or practice Pagan spirituality that originated from Europe racially bias as far as non white people are concerned ?
I don't sense that! I'm sure there are a few who are, but the majority of Pagan are not and are very loving and accepting folks.

Please post the source you are sensing this from.

“Dance with Fire- Boycott BS”

Since: Apr 07

Moon

#3 Sep 24, 2012
Paganism is like everything else in the world, subject to assholios proclaiming their assholism upon it. There are no Pagan religions which have inherantly racist beliefs or philosophies. That doesn't mean that sometimes a person or a few individuals practicing together as a group may decide that they don't want to practice with certain genders, sexual orientations, ages, or races. It is unfortunate in most cases, but doesn't represent any Pagan religion as a whole. It's just those people and the way they choose to practice, or who they choose not to practice with. If they are honest they will say something like, "I choose to circle with other woman because I need that in my life right now". If they are not being honest and are uberassholes, they will claim some religious context for instance, of their personal issues with homosexuality and try to convince others that their way is the 'right way' through bullshittery. Avoid these people no matter what religion or philosophy they are claiming this under.

“I'll give you Oogie Boogie”

Since: Oct 12

Halloween Town

#4 Oct 9, 2012
Fisher Cat wrote:
As a non white person who has read from many Wiccan/Pagan forums and message boards I sense a bit of bias against people of color.
My question is are these Pagans who are, or practice Pagan spirituality that originated from Europe racially bias as far as non white people are concerned ?
Why shouldn't we be racially biased? Our beliefs go back a long way in Europe, and our bloodlines are part of that connection.

I'm sure Australian Aboriginals and similar people around the world are equally biased towards their roots and the beliefs of their ancestors, and rightly so.

“Dance with Fire- Boycott BS”

Since: Apr 07

Moon

#5 Oct 10, 2012
Jack_Skellington wrote:
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Why shouldn't we be racially biased? Our beliefs go back a long way in Europe, and our bloodlines are part of that connection.
I'm sure Australian Aboriginals and similar people around the world are equally biased towards their roots and the beliefs of their ancestors, and rightly so.
A person only has undiluted bloodlines if their family has been intermarrying for a millenia. Certainly indigenous cultures should be learned and knowledge preserved, but nothing is ever static, even within one contintent. Autralian cultures, traditions, and languages are just as fluid as any others in the world. Someone preferring to practice a religion that relates to their most immediate ancestors (or choosing the less dominant one over the dominant one) should not be conflated with social justice and racial equality.

The rest of your statements are too vague to substantiate. Which European beliefs? There are about 600 aboriginal cultures indentified on the Autstralian continent. I don't have a hard number in front of me in regards to the European geographical region, but I think it is more, since Christainity came here earlier than it did to Australia, the introduction of which causes more complexities in religious beliefs, especially when first introduced and indoctrined. And since Europe has been imperialistic since the precedence set by the Roman Empire, cross fertilization of religion, art, music, philosophy and beliefs has been going on for "back a long way in Europe". I suggest learning about the Silk Road for starters.

“I'll give you Oogie Boogie”

Since: Oct 12

Halloween Town

#6 Oct 10, 2012
CShine, I know all about the Silk Road, and I know damned well that my people have absorbed blood from all over the place down the centuries.

My people have a culture and a history that goes back thousands of years before the Romans. It hasn't remained static, it has evolved over time, and like all healthy cultures, it has been influenced by migrants, BUT we know exactly who we are and we're proud of what we are.

In recent years, certain people with agendas have tried to tell me that white Northern Europeans have no real culture or heritage. That our identity is all in the head, etc etc. You know what I say to that? I say "Fuckoff you racist bastards."

“Dance with Fire- Boycott BS”

Since: Apr 07

Moon

#7 Oct 10, 2012
Are there historically black Northern Europeans?
Fisher

Gloucester, VA

#8 Nov 23, 2012
Jack_Skellington wrote:
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Why shouldn't we be racially biased? Our beliefs go back a long way in Europe, and our bloodlines are part of that connection.
I'm sure Australian Aboriginals and similar people around the world are equally biased towards their roots and the beliefs of their ancestors, and rightly so.
I wasn't bias against these types of pagans in the beginning, but having joined a few of their forums, I was snubbed as if of a low caste or third class citizen for being American Indian. Now I have few kind thoughts about them. Usually these pagan forums are like feudal hierarchies or very cliquish.

Although pagan, a lot of them act like typical white folk.

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