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Since: Jun 13

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#1 Jun 28, 2013
I've been pondering lately, we all hear about the Pagan and Witch community.

What I want to know is this: excluding our Gods and Goddesses most pagans have very little in common. For example I fully accept that some times there's no need for a ritual to use magic but others believe that the ritual is crucial for success. I would never challenge anothers belief but how can we work together if our faith in the other person is shaken by different beliefs.

I was a member of a wonderful coven as I was learning after my great grandmother passed over, she was my teacher and my best friend but when I came to the coven, the High Priestess was a friend of my teacher, I found that I couldn't simply accept what they were trying to teach. Not that it was wrong but it was far to narrow for me. I loved the ease of accessing knowledge each individual members had but once I started trying to sift through what I was finding out, I saw that even in a coven their was about 10 different paths. This strengthened my belief that I couldn't participate in their rituals.

In my eyes it seems that the "Be silent rule" is actually great even inside the accepting community of like minded people because if people know they are doing ritual work they need to have faith that their brothers and sisters are competent in the sense of the ritual. Not to say that we can't come together and learn from each other but how can a coven call upon an energy together if all parts of the circle are not completely in tune.

I'm trying to figure this out to some extent because of a personal situation, I'm a family man, with a wonderful wife and young daughter but I want to raise our child to know that we are witches, yet to never reveal that unless directly confronted about it.(not to deny it but to never indicate it) yet my wife's a different story she's extremely afraid of her talents as an empath, and clings to some parts of the Judeo Christian faith she was raised in, not to say that its bad but it makes it difficult for us to do rituals together because she addresses all divinity as "The Source" but never addresses the Gods individually, but I try to acknowledge each God and Goddess with individualized reverence. So I returned to my former High priestess to look for some knowledge that maybe I was missing. She explained that while we both feel differently about divinity, the common ground should be our goals when working together. If that's the case wouldn't we be calling on more subconsciously then we meant to? In a silly little power struggle by our energies, and possibly the Devine presences we each know personally.

Anyway my question is this: with hoodoo, Greek pagans, Wiccan, necromancers, druids, mountain witches, coven members and solitaires. How do we come together in time of ritual for the optimum effectiveness?

“Proud to be a Wiccan Priest”

Since: Jul 09

Jonesboro AR

#2 Jun 28, 2013
By accepting that even though we differ on certain "doctrine". That we can still worship. though she and this Coven may refer to the Gods and Goddesses as the Source. It still should not preclude you from worshiping with them.

The Goddesses and the Gods know us all well enough to know what is in our hearts and minds.

If you do not feel comfortable with everything that this Coven does in both their magick and worship. Perhaps they are not the group for you.

As for the keep silent part. That all depends on your interpretation. For me I interpret it as being. Do the 'work' and then not discuss it with any one.

But as I said. It all depends on how you interpret it and what works for you.

“I will not go quietly.”

Since: Feb 07

Indianapolis Indiana

#4 Jul 2, 2013
From where I stand, the entire "be silent" issue has several meanings....
"Don't run down the street telling others you've just 'cast a spell' or anything similar"
Don't "out" other Pagans, while some of us have used a Craft name or other form of regular internet 'calling cards' many have "Day Jobs" that don't know their beliefs as well as Family who don't know or agree with those beliefs. While as Americans we are promised a right to practice our beliefs, you have others who are absolutely certain you're a "debil worshipper" or "sacrifice babies" or "practice ritual orgies", all of which never happen but you cannot convince some that it doesn't so it's easier just to stay silent.
When considering a casting, while you may talk to like minded individuals to get an idea toward imagery, too many cooks in the kitchen spoil the meal, the more people involved, keep things simple. People are easily distracted, too many distractions spoil a casting.
Jumper The Wise

Owensboro, KY

#5 Jul 2, 2013
All this stuff about casting spells and crap is hooey!

The real magic is inside of us all.

Giving to others,and taking the time to make the world a better place.

The real magic should be given freely whithout selfesh motives.
Dances with trolls

Torquay, UK

#6 Jul 2, 2013
Jumper The Wise wrote:
All this stuff about casting spells and crap is hooey!
The real magic is inside of us all.
Giving to others,and taking the time to make the world a better place.
The real magic should be given freely whithout selfesh motives.
Well said

“I will not go quietly.”

Since: Feb 07

Indianapolis Indiana

#7 Jul 2, 2013
Jumper The Wise wrote:
All this stuff about casting spells and crap is hooey!
The real magic is inside of us all.
Giving to others,and taking the time to make the world a better place.
The real magic should be given freely whithout selfesh motives.
And that is why Jackasses like yourself are ignored. You don't know what you're talking about.
Dances with trolls

Torquay, UK

#8 Jul 2, 2013
Pagan and Proud wrote:
<quoted text>And that is why Jackasses like yourself are ignored. You don't know what you're talking about.
He makes more sense than you.
Jumper The Wise

Owensboro, KY

#9 Jul 2, 2013
I mean,I'm not putting down Pagan or Kaywhenn or whoever they are,but if I get on this forum and diguss MY beliefs,I don't insult others for theirs.

Since: Jun 13

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#10 Jul 2, 2013
You guys kind prove my point. I know that typically jump is mega trollin but with his belief in "inner goodness" and others belief in ritual practice. Regardless of what we can set aside its almost impossible for us to come together over the internet, so what can we expect in person?

I mean really. Jumper, proud and Kath would definatly not be able to work together no matter the cause. Far to different. Jumper reminds me of Loki and Kath is Thor. Its a fight waiting to happen.

anyway. This simply proves my point, even without faces and examples of our beliefs, just by actions we decide who we like and who we don't like.

“Proud to be a Wiccan Priest”

Since: Jul 09

Jonesboro AR

#11 Jul 2, 2013
Son Of Ares wrote:
You guys kind prove my point. I know that typically jump is mega trollin but with his belief in "inner goodness" and others belief in ritual practice. Regardless of what we can set aside its almost impossible for us to come together over the internet, so what can we expect in person?
I mean really. Jumper, proud and Kath would definatly not be able to work together no matter the cause. Far to different. Jumper reminds me of Loki and Kath is Thor. Its a fight waiting to happen.
anyway. This simply proves my point, even without faces and examples of our beliefs, just by actions we decide who we like and who we don't like.
There is a major difference is jumper is a troll. That really is a fool and has no real interest in being anything else.

And being with others that were an assortment of strangers from a variety of Pagan religions and Traditions. That were there and willing to worship and work together.

Aries I have literally walked into a group and found that the High Priestess. New and unsure. Had to take her in hand as we officiated a circle. It was not difficult when every one is willing to work together.

Jumper and trolls like him in rel life do not last past a certain point. Why? Because people would rather work together than suffer a fool.
Jumper The Wise

Owensboro, KY

#12 Jul 2, 2013
Kathwynn wrote:
<quoted text>
There is a major difference is jumper is a troll. That really is a fool and has no real interest in being anything else.
And being with others that were an assortment of strangers from a variety of Pagan religions and Traditions. That were there and willing to worship and work together.
Aries I have literally walked into a group and found that the High Priestess. New and unsure. Had to take her in hand as we officiated a circle. It was not difficult when every one is willing to work together.
Jumper and trolls like him in rel life do not last past a certain point. Why? Because people would rather work together than suffer a fool.
Sorry,I just caught that comment as I helping my elderly friend change his truck tire.
I really feel that is part of the magic I was talking about.
I might have not gained by getting paid to do it,but I got a good feeling from it.
And is not that being a part of nature helping your fellow creatures as your religion states?

If you do teach a class,at-least teach them that.

“I will not go quietly.”

Since: Feb 07

Indianapolis Indiana

#13 Jul 3, 2013
Son Of Ares wrote:
You guys kind prove my point. I know that typically jump is mega trollin but with his belief in "inner goodness" and others belief in ritual practice. Regardless of what we can set aside its almost impossible for us to come together over the internet, so what can we expect in person?
I mean really. Jumper, proud and Kath would definatly not be able to work together no matter the cause. Far to different. Jumper reminds me of Loki and Kath is Thor. Its a fight waiting to happen.
anyway. This simply proves my point, even without faces and examples of our beliefs, just by actions we decide who we like and who we don't like.
That's just it, what you DON'T seem to get is that there isn't a word out of Jumpers mouth that means a damn thing. He's here to troll, nothing more, nothing less, to him this is nothing other than his personal playpen and you are nothing more than words on a page. That "inner goodnes" is something called BAIT, a tactic to attempt to get regular, serious forum members to let their guard down and even possibly taking 'his side' and it will last for all of a day or two at the max. It's been done before, he has a history of that sort of behavior. Jumper isn't anything close to Loki who actually had his good points according to the stories, he would actually be more akin to the Joker as played by Heath Ledger, sick, twisted, perverted inside and out, here for only one reason, his personal entertainment.
In person, he would be escorted to the door, and if he refused to leave he would be arrested for Tresspassing.
Jumper The Wise

Owensboro, KY

#14 Jul 3, 2013
Pagan and Proud wrote:
<quoted text>That's just it, what you DON'T seem to get is that there isn't a word out of Jumpers mouth that means a damn thing. He's here to troll, nothing more, nothing less, to him this is nothing other than his personal playpen and you are nothing more than words on a page. That "inner goodnes" is something called BAIT, a tactic to attempt to get regular, serious forum members to let their guard down and even possibly taking 'his side' and it will last for all of a day or two at the max. It's been done before, he has a history of that sort of behavior. Jumper isn't anything close to Loki who actually had his good points according to the stories, he would actually be more akin to the Joker as played by Heath Ledger, sick, twisted, perverted inside and out, here for only one reason, his personal entertainment.
In person, he would be escorted to the door, and if he refused to leave he would be arrested for Tresspassing.
I just now read that comment.
And it was hateful.
I wish you only good things and hope you change.
Jumper The Wise

Owensboro, KY

#15 Jul 3, 2013
'Oh yea...I'M Low-key. Not 'Loki'

Since: Jun 13

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#16 Jul 3, 2013
Lol. Clear point. I'm not on anyones side. But yea I've seen the trolling jumper does. And I'm not fooled. But regardless thanks guys!
Jumper The Wise

Owensboro, KY

#17 Jul 3, 2013
Well at any rate we have a small Pagan comunity here just a few people go missing every now and then,but not as many like in the bigger cities.

“Dance with Fire- Boycott BS”

Since: Apr 07

Moon

#18 Jul 5, 2013
Son Of Ares wrote:
You guys kind prove my point. I know that typically jump is mega trollin but with his belief in "inner goodness" and others belief in ritual practice. Regardless of what we can set aside its almost impossible for us to come together over the internet, so what can we expect in person?
I mean really. Jumper, proud and Kath would definatly not be able to work together no matter the cause. Far to different. Jumper reminds me of Loki and Kath is Thor. Its a fight waiting to happen.
anyway. This simply proves my point, even without faces and examples of our beliefs, just by actions we decide who we like and who we don't like.
Don't let Jumper's current persona fool you. S/he has, unprovoked, insulted individual Pagans or Pagans as a whole several time. As a troll; his/her entire point is to get attention, which means switching personalities and philosophies at random. The whole pointing of trolling is not to be your true self, but whatever stirs the pot, or that is the hoped for result. The main thing to keep in mind, is that a troll almost never believes, follows, or practices IRL the nonsense they post.

“Dance with Fire- Boycott BS”

Since: Apr 07

Moon

#19 Jul 5, 2013
Oh yeah, see- that didn't take long!
Ken RA

Saint Paul, MN

#20 Jul 5, 2013
I have seen too much. There are Covens that are Valuable and ones best avoided. There ate solitaries who are stupid nitwits and others who are Profound. Paths and studies that are easy ego gratification and others that will absorb you for the rest of your life.

My simple rule is Take what helps you. Leave what doesn't and avoid at all costs those which will harm you.

I have moved from complex beliefs to simpler ones. I love Ritual as an art and as a spiritual exercise. I live my life as well as I can and have little need for Spells to make things happen.

“Dance with Fire- Boycott BS”

Since: Apr 07

Moon

#21 Jul 5, 2013
I have also found, while there are a gazillion earth-based paths there are certain things that are common ground for most. You may not feel comfortable on calling upon the depending upon beliefs about god/s or lack there-of, but in more open circles, most agree upon a reverence of a certain natural cycle- often an Equinox or Solstice, etc. There are ways to celebrate that with like-minded people that don't involve which way to use the salt or which Deities to call upon. I have also found that in the interest of experiencing and learning about other paths, most Pagans don't mind attending an open circle or two that doesn't precisely mesh with their personal beliefs or view points. That means maybe they don't keep going back, but they learned from the experience and met others in the community, being that most paths are not dogmatic and most God/s we work with are not the jealous 'have no other gods before me' type.

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