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DesperatePsychic

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May 16, 2007
 
This is going to sound like role-play to some people but I swear on God it's not!

Hello fellow members of the occult. Honestly, I don't expect to get any replies to this but I have to try just because my coven is getting seriously desperate. I know this sounds odd, even insane, but we are searching for someone who is willing to get themselves cursed. Long story short, some people decided our coven was gaining power too fast and felt threatened so they called in a bunch of satanic covens. Now we are at war with a huge satanic order who each year take part in the torture and sacrificial killings of thousands of people including children as young as two years of age. They have attempted to wipe out our coven on a weekly basis for nearly six months now and they are learning from the mistakes they've made in the past which have allowed us to live this long. Their current plan is to do a month long sacrifice of our beloved strongest member as retaliation for not letting them forcibly initiate another of our members through the blood sacrifice a.k.a. brutal slaughter of two other coven members. We are at a loss for how we can get her back. They have three different orders on call for security. Our only spy has recently been discovered so we have no one on the inside to help us. And on top of this, her husband is hysterical to the point of initiating unnecessary battles with them. Right now, one of two scenarios is inevitable. Either our coven will be wiped out in battle to save our kidnapped sister or they will kill her and then kill us off slowly to ensure that we suffer in the loss of our family. We've lost our every defense against them except one. Our only chance at survival is a mass murder spell. We do not want to use this but they have left us no other choice. The problem is this spell comes with a curse and we've accumulated to many satanic covens as enemies. If we use the spell and get ourselves cursed they will realize this and come after us and we will end up dead. But I know that there are many covens who also practice good magick and do not have a dozen covens and orders waiting for their chance to wipe them out. Covens for whom a light curse does not mean certain death. So I'm sending this out in desperate hope that someone will take on the curse we can't and stop these monsters.
I ask that those who read this plea will copy it into the forums of other societies. And I beg that someone reply before it's too late to thevampireayamepotter@hotmail. com.
Thank you for your time. Blessings to you all. Sincerely, Desperate Psychic

(Reply to an e-mail I felt fit a typical person's thoughts)

Why the hell would I post this if it were a role-play? Everything I wrote was true. And if you don't think satanists have covens and orders you need help. There are more of them than there are us, they simply hide themselves better. The numbers, I didn't believe at first but they're real. My friend and sister is trapped at an enemy's headquarters right now! We have spent the past week doing everything in our power to get her out and failed miserably. This is a serious cry for help! As for the curse, I don't know much; my training hasn't gotten into curses yet. What I do know is that we need multiple people (or certain members, including myself, would perform it ourselves) to cast the spell or we'll only be able to wipe out a few hundred of them, and that curses that go along with this sort of thing are usually temporary and always non-leathal (unless being hunted by satanists of course). I'll try and get some info from the mush man a.k.a. husband and get back to you. As for location and such information, we'll have to know we can trust you before releasing that. It's just too much of a security risk.
Renee

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May 17, 2007
 
Please play games somewhere else.

This is a load of nonsense.

If someone has been kidnapped and you think they are going to be murdered, for gods sake, call the cops.

You've got to be kidding me to say that they've killed thousands of people...were that the case, surely there would be a mass media onslaught about thousands of Satanic ritual killings, people missing, etc. You know how the media loves these things. And if you knew anything about people getting killed and didn't report it to the police, you could be held criminally liable also. And, well, so far no onslaught. And I would hope that even if this was a gross exaggeration of something happening between a few people, and there really was some abduction or someone getting harmed, that you would have the basic intelligence to call the freakin' cops.

Oh, and if you're planning to try some sort of "mass murder spell"...you deserve to deal with whatever repercussions you get. Not that I think it's actually going to get you anywhere, if nothing else because theres no way this situation even exists.

Write this up as a novel though, it might get published.

“Dance with Fire- Boycott BS”

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May 17, 2007
 
In another thread I spent several replies trying to convince a Christain that Wicca/Paganism had NOTHING to do with a murder that the local cops jumped to the sensationalistic (and very very very likely false) assumption that it was a "Satanic Ritual Murder".

And now here is this.

I prob. won't be heard, but here it is again: There is no evidence in the United States in the past CENTURY of ritual murders of ANY religion or sect happening. None, zip, zero.

Like Renee says, call it role-playing, call it fiction, call it (this is me now) a mental issue or malfuntion of the neural system--- but the only attack and negativity that I see is a direct hit on all the hard work that many Wiccans, Witches, and covens (and even Satanists) do to retain common sense about our reputations.

Yes, we are a different sort of people, but no- we don't do huge magical battles that include mass-cursings and mass-murders. Everytime someone asks me if witches make human sacrifices, I think the person must've just crawled out of a cave... but now I know who their source is!

Yes, there are responsbilities and even dangers to be defensive and wary of in magic, but most battles are internal as we struggle towards being different, more aware, sort of people integrated into our mundane daily lives. Not with "satanist covens".

And while precise definition of Satanism may be as hard to pin down as that of Paganism, it is also none of these sensationalistic things that the mainstream media and the religious right would love for it to be.

And while I recongize that I am not omnipotent and therefor cannot understand or know every little aspect of the universe... I will say that the only other person who I've heard talk about cursings and ill-will flying around between covens & coveners- was an admitted schizophrenic currently in counseling and medication for it. And his conclusions about being cursed every other day were toned down from the delusions he had BEFORE he had treatment!

“Perceptive Reality: I AM REAL”

Since: Jan 07

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May 17, 2007
 
ya know, sometimes it sucks having no access to a computer at work. y'all beat me to it, Renee, CShine.

oh, but I can do this!!

Why would somebody post this if it was role-play? for attention. or maybe because you're mentally delusional enough to believe any of this. or perhaps even an attempt by an evangelical to discredit pagans and attempt to undo all the progress that has been made towards equality and acceptance.

the original poster definitely got one thing right.

this is a serious cry for help

may your ancestors watch over you and give you peace
DesperatePsychic

Louisville, KY

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May 17, 2007
 
I know I can't make believers out of everyone but would people please stop bashing me! I'm not dillusional! I'm not attention seeking! My coven is in danger! And people go missing every day, every where in the world. Cases go cold. I'm certainly not saying all of these are ritualistic murder but some small percentage are. It's fact. And I'm not saying this is a norm in satanic covens either. These people are the insane ones. They believe that death helps people. I'm not trying to get some mass belief system going here, I'm just looking for a few merciful people who will believe and help. If you wont believe don't post. Don't try to discreadit me soley based on your own closed minded beliefs!

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May 17, 2007
 
DesperatePsychic wrote:
I know I can't make believers out of everyone but would people please stop bashing me! I'm not dillusional! I'm not attention seeking! My coven is in danger! And people go missing every day, every where in the world. Cases go cold. I'm certainly not saying all of these are ritualistic murder but some small percentage are. It's fact. And I'm not saying this is a norm in satanic covens either. These people are the insane ones. They believe that death helps people. I'm not trying to get some mass belief system going here, I'm just looking for a few merciful people who will believe and help. If you wont believe don't post. Don't try to discreadit me soley based on your own closed minded beliefs!
I'm not trying to discredit you but what you ask is completely unfair! No matter what the reasons you're asking people to put themselves in harms way for a mess that your coven created! Are we to beleive that because you where desperate you exagerated the numbers in your original post? Maybe its time to discuss a truce so? Do you know what the Satanists feel can be gained by wiping you out? Satanists are for a lack of a better definition very selfish! They focus on themselves as a rule of thumb! So why assist your coven in Death? Come to think of it you didn't mention the Craft tradition you follow?

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Since: Jan 07

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May 17, 2007
 
The practice or use of dark art that would allow such as a "death spell" would give the one telling you it a doomed spirit. This type practice has been removed from public practice or knowledge for a very good reason. You have options. Police first and foremost.

How many satanists are after you, what following are you and if you can swear on a god... which god?
Hecate23

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#8
May 17, 2007
 
A person can only be *cursed* if they believe in the *power* of the person that's cursing them. Frankly, this nonsense sounds like it came out of a Dennis Wheatley novel. And, the majority of Satanists (we're not talking about the extremists) do NOT believe in harming animals or little children. It's the nasty adults they don't like. They're misanthropes. So get a grip, and take your meds. No reasonable pagan would want to *help* you in your wacky theatre of death and doom. And, yes, why don't you report these *murders* to the police, while your at it. Words of Wisdom- NEVER, EVER, mess with forces that you haven't studied extensively, or that you don't understand.
Peace and good luck!

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Since: Jan 07

Monte Vista

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May 17, 2007
 
I"LL HELP!!
It's called the 911 spell!
CALL 911 and say the same thing to that nice person that answers.
Zoompad

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#10
May 18, 2007
 
Blair covering up paedophile scandal?

While British Prime Minister Tony Blair is under criminal suspicion in the "honors-for-cash" scandal that has rocked his Labor government, we have been told that there is an even more explosive scandal that Blair, up to now, has managed to hide behind the draconian British policy of issuing "D-Notices," government orders that prohibit the British media from reporting on certain "national security" cases.

In 1999, an international investigation of child pornographers and pedophiles run by Britain's National Criminal Intelligence Service, code named Operation Ore, resulted in 7,250 suspects being identified in the United Kingdom alone. Some 1850 people were criminally charged in the case and there were 1451 convictions. Almost 500 people were interviewed "under caution" by police, meaning they were suspects. Some 900 individuals remain under investigation. In early 2003, British police began to close in on some top suspects in the Operation Ore investigation, including senior members of Blair's government. However, Blair issued a D-Notice, resulting in a gag order on the press from publishing any details of the investigation. Blair cited the impending war in Iraq as a reason for the D-Notice. Police also discovered links between British Labor government pedophile suspects and the trafficking of children for purposes of prostitution from Belgium and Portugal (including young boys from the Casa Pia orphanage in Portugal).

Tony Blair: stifling investigations of pedophiles in his Labor government.

In the United States, Operation Ore's counterpart was Operation Avalanche. However, U.S. authorities only charged 100 people out of 35,000 investigated. The international pedophile investigation began when Dallas police and the US Postal Inspection Service raided the offices of Landslide Productions of Fort Worth, Texas and confiscated records on thousands of people around the world who were child pornography customers of the firm. Landslide's halcyon days as a Fort Worth-based international online marketplace of kiddie porn was during the term of Texas Governor George W. Bush.

WMR has learned that the Bush administration, like that of Blair, is rife with pedophiles in top positions. The pedophile network also extends to the U.S. defense industry, particularly some of the companies that have been involved in the sexual abuse of minors at overt and covert U.S. prisons in Abu Ghraib, Iraq; Guantanamo, Kosovo, Afghanistan, Thailand, and now, at three prisons in Ethiopia.

Source: Wayne Madsen

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CShine

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May 18, 2007
 
Pharaoh-Nile wrote:
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I'm not trying to discredit you but what you ask is completely unfair! No matter what the reasons you're asking people to put themselves in harms way for a mess that your coven created! Are we to beleive that because you where desperate you exagerated the numbers in your original post? Maybe its time to discuss a truce so? Do you know what the Satanists feel can be gained by wiping you out? Satanists are for a lack of a better definition very selfish! They focus on themselves as a rule of thumb! So why assist your coven in Death? Come to think of it you didn't mention the Craft tradition you follow?
That's a good point Pharoh. We don't neccesarily have to believe you one way or another- there is no 'savior' to be found on the internet. If you really are in a coven and having troubles, seek out elders in your trad or community who can at least have the benefit of personal contact with you. Especially since this talk of baneful magic and so on is, as Tian-mon pointed out, most definetly not for the public realm. And, I highly doubt such elders would participate in the 'spell-war', but they could at least counsel you and help you see other avenues out of your predictament.
Again, if there is real physical threat- involve the police!
If this is more of the mental physic realm, then I suggest a paraphsychologist- they are particularly for people experiencing a spiritual emergence- sometimes called a spritiual emergency.
I still I highly doubt what you say is point blank true- you've either exaggerated things that are a petty 'witch war'- a struggle of coven egos; or your just doing this for fun or discrediting. But just so you know, there are forms of help that are much more direct and potent then an online forum where every post like this raises more disbelief then anything else.
DesperatePsychic

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May 20, 2007
 
You know what? Screw you all! I was an idiot to think I would find those who might understand online. I don't even know why I bothered. I knew when I started this that people like us don't do this. In my panic I nearly broke every public security measure placed around our art. I really should learn to think rationaly in tough situations. In the unlikely case that anyone (no offence) important reads this and realizes who we are, please do not punish my coven for my stupidity. I apoligize. I acted alone, planned this alone. I'll retract this post from any forum that will allow it. As for the rest of you, go ahead and believe whatever you like. As we say, whatever you think is the truth, sure. Again, I apologize. I swear I will act more rationally in the future.

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May 20, 2007
 
I still don't see why reaching out to Elders of either covens or better yet a well trained unbiased coven and asking them to intervene is not possible! Regardless of people going missing thats a matter for the civil law of the land! But if you're worried about your coven be brave enough to trust again! You and the Satanist coven may not be able to reclaim a working relationship but you can aim to end the feud!

I'm not naive enough to believe that people's egos don't get in the way and rows break out and yes can and often do lead to battles on the magical front but when people start to get seriously hurt as in any battle one must decide if the battle is worth the cost!!

If that advice isn't good enough for you then I'm sorry but you raised the thread and every thread is open for everyone to comment on!
Lucian

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May 20, 2007
 
Wow... This is one of the most bizaar posts I've read in a long time.

First and foremost, it's extremely selfish to ask someone to take the karma for your curse. I've never ran into a Pagan that had this thought process. The reason your post is getting shot down so badly here is because anyone who has been in this practice for any amount of time knows that most of what you're saying is greatly exaggerated. Most people have done enough homework to know that most of your post is BS.

I'm more offended by your extremely selfish request.
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May 21, 2007
 
How old are you! If as you say you dont know much, it shouldn't be left up to you to deal with something like this anyway. You say that your friend and sister have been kidnapped? Why are you on the internet asking for help, being of a certain faith does not make you exempt in the court of law listen if your in that much trouble lets look at the sensible options, POLICE!!!! I understand that some problems occur between rivaling covens and if I thought you were being serious then I may have offered some advice, but to be honest I dont think your being serious I think your taking the P.
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May 21, 2007
 
Unfortuantely for you I am agreeing with all that the others are saying. I'm new to all of this but this seems slightly extreem. If you seriously are in so much trouble you should have asked for help months ago!!
Witchcraft is not a game, if you don't know that by now then maybe you should learn. Asking someone to do a curse for you is selfish, you should know that whatever you send out you get back three fold.

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May 21, 2007
 
Dittany Blaze wrote:
Unfortuantely for you I am agreeing with all that the others are saying. I'm new to all of this but this seems slightly extreem. If you seriously are in so much trouble you should have asked for help months ago!!
Witchcraft is not a game, if you don't know that by now then maybe you should learn. Asking someone to do a curse for you is selfish, you should know that whatever you send out you get back three fold.
Oh its much worse than that Dittany, this one is asking for people to ALLOW themeselves to be cursed on behalf of their coven's actions! Which if true sound horrid and even though its not my place to judge I still feel they should deal with the reprecussions! No top it all off as well as asking people to put their trust in her and her, she has not offered up any explanation of who or what they are?! Or elaborated on what this curse actually entails!

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May 21, 2007
 
Pharaoh-Nile wrote:
I still don't see why reaching out to Elders of either covens or better yet a well trained unbiased coven and asking them to intervene is not possible! Regardless of people going missing thats a matter for the civil law of the land! But if you're worried about your coven be brave enough to trust again! You and the Satanist coven may not be able to reclaim a working relationship but you can aim to end the feud!
I'm not naive enough to believe that people's egos don't get in the way and rows break out and yes can and often do lead to battles on the magical front but when people start to get seriously hurt as in any battle one must decide if the battle is worth the cost!!
If that advice isn't good enough for you then I'm sorry but you raised the thread and every thread is open for everyone to comment on!
Well, despite reasonable disbelief, some real grounded and earnest advice as been offered and said Desperate spit it back in our faces and then so much as admitted that s/he was acting irrationally. And yet we're the ones who are to be screwed, eh?...

PS- Coven is a term rarely used to describe satanic groups, though it is possible.

http://www.meta-religion.com/Esoterism/Satani...

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May 21, 2007
 
CShine wrote:
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Well, despite reasonable disbelief, some real grounded and earnest advice as been offered and said Desperate spit it back in our faces and then so much as admitted that s/he was acting irrationally. And yet we're the ones who are to be screwed, eh?...
PS- Coven is a term rarely used to describe satanic groups, though it is possible.
http://www.meta-religion.com/Esoterism/Satani...
I know Desperate's original posts were irrational for a lack of a better term but I felt that the advice was best given out of patience! Frankly I didn't appreciate how the advice EVERYONE gave was to report missing persons to the police and that was ignored! So I chose to hone in on the aspect of the request which was this 'battle' if it exists was not our fault and responsibility taken. But as Desperate said they are inexperienced and I presume (one more time why not!) that they are young in age too! So Elders with more experience may be the ideal people to end it. As for Satanists I have no basis of knowledge merely presumption! I suppose Sect or Sects would be more appropriate?! I'll have a look at that link asap!(I'm always eager to learn! I just have exams on at the minute! The joys!! lol)

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May 21, 2007
 
Actually come to think of it. Everyone advised Desperate to report the missing people to police and if Desperate chooses to ignore this advice its a very poor reflection on her (him?) as being very disillusioned with the world and so its no wonder the battle is being lost on other planes of existence!

Truthfully I think its completely farcical. But I've had my spake!

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