Poland's Catholic bishops say Hallowe...

Poland's Catholic bishops say Halloween is pagan, tricks harm believers' "spiritual life"

There are 67 comments on the Brandon Sun story from Oct 30, 2012, titled Poland's Catholic bishops say Halloween is pagan, tricks harm believers' "spiritual life". In it, Brandon Sun reports that:

A carved pumpkin is displayed as part of the Pumpkin Mania display on the steps of Old Morrison on the Transylvania University campus in Lexington, Ky., Monday, Oct.

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“Proud to be a Wiccan Priest”

Since: Jul 09

Jonesboro AR

#1 Oct 30, 2012
And right after this it will be the same retreading of the war on christmas.. **YAWN**
Catholic Girl

United States

#2 Oct 31, 2012
You realize the Bishop is right. Prior centuries, etc, that's all there was, Pagan worshipers. But we have evolved since yr. 1000. Perhaps for the better, I really don't know.
But isn't Halloween fun? Just have to remember not to play with the dark side since it really does exists and way to strong, powerful for us regular folks to handle. It could really get you.
Hauntingly Yours,
BOO !!

“The Black Mermaid”

Since: Aug 11

Location hidden

#3 Oct 31, 2012
Catholic Girl wrote:
You realize the Bishop is right. Prior centuries, etc, that's all there was, Pagan worshipers. But we have evolved since yr. 1000. Perhaps for the better, I really don't know.
But isn't Halloween fun? Just have to remember not to play with the dark side since it really does exists and way to strong, powerful for us regular folks to handle. It could really get you.
Hauntingly Yours,
BOO !!
Catholic Girl - Sorry to jump in on you like this, but my email isn't working again, don't know why. Please don't think I'm ignoring you; I would NOT do that. Hope you're well.
Catholic Girl

United States

#4 Oct 31, 2012
Jump in anytime, there's plenty of room in the pool. I sent you something yesterday I think it was. My power was out for awhile due to Sandy. How did you do riding out Sandy?
Martix

Kraków, Poland

#5 Oct 31, 2012
Halloween has an undercurrent of occultism and is absolutely anti-Christian.!!!

Halloween is a worship of magic and the occulti, has pagan roots and is dangerous. It shouldn't be practised by Christians.

This is not the stand of same Polish bishops but the official stand of the Catholic Church.!
According to the catechism of the Catholic Church bad is also using horoscopes, chiromancy, clairvoyants and mediums.

Anton Lavey the creator of the modern satanism said that the night 31 October - 1 November is the biggest Luciferic festival. There are a lot of occult acts of violence.

The Church openly opposes to these practices!

READ MORE:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12240...
http://niezalezna.pl/34288-halloween-kult-mag...
Just Sayin

United States

#6 Oct 31, 2012
Hard 2 believe but I'm siding with the catholics on this 1. halloween is pagan....and so is christmas especially since Jesus was born in sept and not december. Easter is pagan. Rabbit and eggs is pagan fertility. They just mixed it with resurrection sunday and called it easter. Sure easter, christmas, and halloween is fun 4 the kids but its pagan and so wrong but to each his own I suppose.
Catholic Girl

United States

#7 Oct 31, 2012
Just Sayin wrote:
Hard 2 believe but I'm siding with the catholics on this 1. halloween is pagan....and so is christmas especially since Jesus was born in sept and not december. Easter is pagan. Rabbit and eggs is pagan fertility. They just mixed it with resurrection sunday and called it easter. Sure easter, christmas, and halloween is fun 4 the kids but its pagan and so wrong but to each his own I suppose.
You are correct but people have to play sometime. Remember Nov. 1st is all souls day and everyone should go to church as this is a holy day. Yep, Christmas isn't in Dec., not sure which month but ok, sept is good. It's a day to honor Jesus's birthday. don't you like celebrating your birthday? As for the Easter stuff, yes, spring - new life. Resurrection into a new life. Sounds good to me. Would it not be a hum drum world without these celebrations? Pagan or not must know truth yet still have fun.
Martix

Kraków, Poland

#8 Oct 31, 2012
Just Sayin wrote:
Hard 2 believe but I'm siding with the catholics on this 1. halloween is pagan....and so is christmas especially since Jesus was born in sept and not december. Easter is pagan. Rabbit and eggs is pagan fertility. They just mixed it with resurrection sunday and called it easter. Sure easter, christmas, and halloween is fun 4 the kids but its pagan and so wrong but to each his own I suppose.
All Saints Day and All Souls’ Day - Christian holidays
Christmas & Easter - Christian holidays

Halloween - pagan

rabbit and chocolate egg - pagan

PS Dont you see the difference between rabbit and occultism?

Do you know for example that a lightened up pumpkin was the identification of devil worshippers
mika brzezinski UG

West Palm Beach, FL

#9 Oct 31, 2012
Martix wrote:
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Do you know for example that a lightened up pumpkin was the identification of devil worshippers
Then Halloween is not pagan. The devil is obviously part of Christianity... not the pre Christian pagan religions.

He does not exist outside of a Judeo-Christian-Moslem context.
Catholic Girl

United States

#10 Oct 31, 2012
Martix wrote:
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All Saints Day and All Souls’ Day - Christian holidays
Christmas & Easter - Christian holidays
Halloween - pagan
rabbit and chocolate egg - pagan
PS Dont you see the difference between rabbit and occultism?
Do you know for example that a lightened up pumpkin was the identification of devil worshippers
No I didn't know about the lighted pumpkin. I use to do one yrs. ago but stopped because everytime I'd put out on front steps, by the end of evening I'd hear a thump and find it in street the next day. Must have been my guardian angel doing this to protect me. Now I feel bad because the last time I did this I placed straight pins threw pumpkin at the point where one would pick up pumpkin. Ouch!
mika brzezinski UG

West Palm Beach, FL

#11 Oct 31, 2012
Martix wrote:
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rabbit and chocolate egg - pagan
Chocolate bunnies and eggs? Pagan or kiddie's stories? I suspect commercialism behind such imsgery. Not sure the origin of those decorative eggs so popular in Ukraine. Probably from something pre Christian.

Christmas is about the winter solstice and the decorated pine tree with the star on top is definately pagan imagery. The early church chose a holiday already being celebrated and hijacked it.
Martix

Kraków, Poland

#12 Oct 31, 2012
mika brzezinski UG wrote:
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Then Halloween is not pagan. The devil is obviously part of Christianity... not the pre Christian pagan religions.
He does not exist outside of a Judeo-Christian-Moslem context.
But Christians don't worship the devil.

As regard rabbit:
I meant it was not Christian tradition, but in contrast with occultism it doesn't harm so much.
Lukashenko is Dr Phil

Finland

#13 Oct 31, 2012
Martinko you dumb polak, what's next. Toilet is satanic.
Annie

Newcastle Upon Tyne, UK

#14 Oct 31, 2012
Martix wrote:
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All Saints Day and All Souls’ Day - Christian holidays
Christmas & Easter - Christian holidays
Halloween - pagan
rabbit and chocolate egg - pagan
PS Dont you see the difference between rabbit and occultism?
Do you know for example that a lightened up pumpkin was the identification of devil worshippers
All saints was moved to that date by pope Gregory. It used to be in May but it was easier to convert pagans if festivals were based around popular pagan celebrations. The same is true for Christmas and Easter as already pointed out. It was convenient but led to many traditions being blurred. Christianity accepts some pagan mixed in but not others. Christmas trees are not Christian. Easter eggs are not Christian. Many East European traditions associated with religion are pagan and based on superstitions. Don't they have divination games during St Andrew's day in Poland? Do they ban that too?

I think that the church is objecting to the commercialisation which has led to mass appeal of halloween traditions. The message of the dark side nobody takes seriously.

Halloween dressing up is a folk tradition in the UK based on original celtic practice. But Halloween trick or treating was not something of interest here until relatively recently when it was made into a big thing with kids as a result of commercial american influence. Nobody used to carve pumpkins here. Now we have big stores of pumpkins in the supermarket before Halloween. It's all about money. Same with Christmas it's all about materialism and nothing about religion.
Annie

Newcastle Upon Tyne, UK

#15 Oct 31, 2012
Catholic Girl wrote:
You realize the Bishop is right. Prior centuries, etc, that's all there was, Pagan worshipers. But we have evolved since yr. 1000. Perhaps for the better, I really don't know.
But isn't Halloween fun? Just have to remember not to play with the dark side since it really does exists and way to strong, powerful for us regular folks to handle. It could really get you.
Hauntingly Yours,
BOO !!
That is just superstition and fear of the unknown. We haven't evolved much in 1000 years. We just currently have a more progressive societal structure that is in fact quite fragile and can always go back to medieval thinking just like that.
Annie

Newcastle Upon Tyne, UK

#16 Oct 31, 2012
Martix wrote:
Halloween has an undercurrent of occultism and is absolutely anti-Christian.!!!
It's hardly anti Christian. Trick or treating kids don't try to convert me. They just want sweets. In Christian schools you have apple bobbing and other games at Halloween, kids draw artwork of witches and ghosts. The church should just admit it's the commercialism that is causing the problem and overshadowing religion and not some nonsense that people actually take the "dark side" seriously. Fact is that people are more likely to be into the dark side in star wars than Halloween. It's like the nonsense about harry potter a few years ago.
mika brzezinski UG

West Palm Beach, FL

#17 Oct 31, 2012
Annie the UGly troll wrote:
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That is just superstition and fear of the unknown. We haven't evolved much in 1000 years. We just currently have a more progressive societal structure that is in fact quite fragile and can always go back to medieval thinking just like that.
UGly Annie has not evolved anyway. She still has the imperialist mindset which went out with the dawn of the 20th century. That is why she so admires the EU and NATO. The rest of us are quite different than folks were in the 9th century. Europe and North America are secular post religious places. Instead of burning folks at the stake for heresy now we have gay marriage... which opens the door to everything from pedophilia to bestiality.
joX

Since: Jan 10

Location hidden

#18 Oct 31, 2012
Being Pagan myself, I find it offensive that we still get this drivel every year from other religions. What you have to realise is that Pagans do not go out their way to diss other spiritual paths. They all lead to the individaul's sense of spirituality. Samhain is a very sacred time of the year for Pagans and also a rememberence of those that have fought for our rights through the centuries. I have utmost respect for Jesus, and I really wish there were more human men living today, that would be as enlightened as he most likely was. We could remind you all of the failings and hidden darkness in your religions, but we know that we all have good and bad within us. You may have a strong faith in God etc and thats great, but please don't assume we are backward and not progressive. Actually many of us are highly intelligent loving and good people to know.

Blessings.

“Trust no one in politics.”

Since: Apr 08

Pompano Beach, FL

#19 Oct 31, 2012
joX wrote:
Being Pagan myself, I find it offensive that we still get this drivel every year from other religions. What you have to realise is that Pagans do not go out their way to diss other spiritual paths. They all lead to the individaul's sense of spirituality. Samhain is a very sacred time of the year for Pagans and also a rememberence of those that have fought for our rights through the centuries. I have utmost respect for Jesus, and I really wish there were more human men living today, that would be as enlightened as he most likely was. We could remind you all of the failings and hidden darkness in your religions, but we know that we all have good and bad within us. You may have a strong faith in God etc and thats great, but please don't assume we are backward and not progressive. Actually many of us are highly intelligent loving and good people to know.

Blessings.
Why would you identify yourself as pagan? That very word is used to minimize a religion. To make it seem less than the larger mainstream ones like Hinduism, Buddhism, Christianity, Judaism, Islam, etc. Sort of like the way the word cult is used.
joX

Since: Jan 10

Location hidden

#20 Oct 31, 2012
uther pendragon wrote:
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Why would you identify yourself as pagan? That very word is used to minimize a religion. To make it seem less than the larger mainstream ones like Hinduism, Buddhism, Christianity, Judaism, Islam, etc. Sort of like the way the word cult is used.
Thankyou for your reply, however I dont really see what point you are trying to make. In the UK and parts of Europe, Paganism is a recognised religion by law. It is no longer regarded as a cult or a fringe religion. Not sure how it stands in other countries. As this is a Pagan forum for people who are Pagans, we come across alot of negativity from others. Paganism is no greater or no less than the 'mainstream ones'. In our population consensus forms we are asked what religion we are ..........and hey presto Paganism is one of them. So of course I identify myself as Pagan. So again I fail to see your point.

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