Pagans Win Tax Victory

Pagans Win Tax Victory

There are 74 comments on the WebCPA story from Nov 27, 2013, titled Pagans Win Tax Victory. In it, WebCPA reports that:

The Maetreum of Cybele, a 501 3 religious organization, has won an appeal from the denial of its applications for real property tax exemptions in the Town of Catskill, N.Y. The Maetreum is the corporate entity for the Cybeline Revival, a pagan following founded in 1999.

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“Proud to be a Wiccan Priest”

Since: Jul 09

Jonesboro AR

#1 Nov 27, 2013
Glad that they won. it was a win for the good guys. :)
Jumper The Wise

Morgantown, KY

#2 Nov 30, 2013
What is this country coming to when there's so many hard working people out there trying feed their family and a bunch of freeloaders get through the system?
Logical Thinker

Pleasant Valley, NY

#3 Dec 24, 2013
There should be NO tax exemptions for ANY religious organizations. Period.

“Proud to be a Wiccan Priest”

Since: Jul 09

Jonesboro AR

#4 Dec 24, 2013
Logical Thinker wrote:
There should be NO tax exemptions for ANY religious organizations. Period.
well that is your opinion.. One that really is not supported.. Yes, I understand, you are some sort of militant atheist and will now entertain the forum with your stupidity.
Jumper The Wise

Morgantown, KY

#5 Dec 24, 2013
Kathwynn wrote:
<quoted text>
well that is your opinion.. One that really is not supported.. Yes, I understand, you are some sort of militant atheist and will now entertain the forum with your stupidity.
Merry magic time!!!
Logical Thinker

Pleasant Valley, NY

#6 Dec 24, 2013
Kathwynn wrote:
<quoted text>
well that is your opinion.. One that really is not supported.. Yes, I understand, you are some sort of militant atheist and will now entertain the forum with your stupidity.
And I already see you are some religious nut job that has to express your view to everyone any chance they get.
No, I will not preach any anti-religion. No reason to here, especially to the likes of you.

I will ask, why should religious organizations get tax exempt status? On what logical grounds?
And what constitutes a religious organization? I guess I can just form my own religion, like wican, and become tax exempt? No different than any church, right?
Logical Thinker

Pleasant Valley, NY

#7 Dec 24, 2013
Oh, and not every atheist is militant, just as not every Christian, Orthodox Jew, Muslim, or witch is a religious zealot.
And I beg to differ, more and more people are coming out of the atheist closet. The unjustified stigma is lifting (thankfully). So yes, my position is quite supported.
And why would you say I am stupid? Isn't that something your religion tells you is wrong to say?

“Proud to be a Wiccan Priest”

Since: Jul 09

Jonesboro AR

#8 Dec 25, 2013
Logical Thinker wrote:
<quoted text>And I already see you are some religious nut job that has to express your view to everyone any chance they get.
No, I will not preach any anti-religion. No reason to here, especially to the likes of you.
I will ask, why should religious organizations get tax exempt status? On what logical grounds?
And what constitutes a religious organization? I guess I can just form my own religion, like wican, and become tax exempt? No different than any church, right?
So you are not an atheist. Or militant. Riighhttt..

As to why a religious organization is tax exempt.. Well like most nonprofit organizations. because it makes good sense. As they are NON PROFIT organizations. The religious nature of the organization is only under which sub-paragraph of the 501 for non profits they are filing as being.

If I were a lawyer I would have charged you $50.00 just for explaining that piece of law to you. But you are lucky I am not a lawyer and sadly can not charge you the fee. Consider it a Yule Day gift all the same.

Merry Yule!
Logical Thinker

Pleasant Valley, NY

#9 Dec 25, 2013
OK, so because YOU say so, I am stupid, and what you say "makes good sense". Riiiight. Got it. <smh>

I am an atheist, but not a militant one. I was pretty clear in that.
Read. Comprehend. Then speak.

And thank you SO much for that lesson. It was well worth the $50 it did not cost me. HAHAHAHA. You put just a bit too much value into your self worth.
I know what a non-profit is, what I don't agree with is that they get tax exemptions. Because TO ME that does NOT make sense.
See, you think one thing, I think another. It's called disagreeing, and that is OK. If I were a teacher I'd charge you $25 for that lesson, but sadly I am not, so I can't.:)

When multi-million dollar mega churches are built and the "pastors" get rich I don't consider that non-profit.
When the Catholic church pays out multi-million dollar settlements due to extreme crimes committed and those crimes being covered up, I don't consider that non-profit.
When fringe organizations, like WBC, are allowed to call themselves churches, but are thinly veiled terrorist organizations, and they are allowed to be tax exempt I have a SERIOUS problem with that.

I don't know you nor do I care to, but I can see you are the equivalent to a militant atheist. You are a religious militant. You use offense as your defense and attack anyone with different views than you.
It'd be fun to meet you in person. I bet I'd have a good laugh.

Oh, and you can downvote my shit all day long. It really means nothing. lol

“Proud to be a Wiccan Priest”

Since: Jul 09

Jonesboro AR

#10 Dec 25, 2013
Awww poor you.

What you, or I, consider nonprofit. Is not important. All that really matters is what the law and the IRS think as being a nonprofit.

that is a fact of life.. As for the rest of your rant.. Again poor you.. You do know that there is an atheist church...

http://firstchurchofatheism.com/

So yeah even you atheists are jumping aboard the 501 3 train of religious nonprofit organization.

Merry Yule.

“Proud to be a Wiccan Priest”

Since: Jul 09

Jonesboro AR

#11 Dec 25, 2013
Again you would be owing me that $25.00 + another fifty dollars.
Jumper The Wise

Morgantown, KY

#12 Dec 25, 2013
Kathwynn wrote:
Again you would be owing me that $25.00 + another fifty dollars.
Happy day!

Did you know Pagan was gay? He just admitted on another forum.
Why didn't you let me know? I feel kind of of bad the way I was talking to him.

You know,that almost borders on a 'hate crime' I could call him a jerk or disagree with something he says and get charged with intemidating a homosexual.

If you didn't know, I'd watch out for what was said you might get fined or somthing.
Logical Thinker

Pine Bush, NY

#13 Dec 25, 2013
Wow, cool for the atheist church. Let them take advantage of the system like all the other fake churches. And it's not "you atheists". That is not something I would do. My feelings are my own. I don't need a group for support.
As for my "rant", I don't know why you are saying "poor you". I said nothing looking for sympathy. I simply stated an opinion. Like I said, it seems you have a real problem with folks disagreeing with you. I guess it happens quite often. That's a shame, maybe someday you'll learn to have an adult conversation with someone.

“Proud to be a Wiccan Priest”

Since: Jul 09

Jonesboro AR

#14 Dec 26, 2013
Logical Thinker wrote:
Wow, cool for the atheist church. Let them take advantage of the system like all the other fake churches. And it's not "you atheists". That is not something I would do. My feelings are my own. I don't need a group for support.
As for my "rant", I don't know why you are saying "poor you". I said nothing looking for sympathy. I simply stated an opinion. Like I said, it seems you have a real problem with folks disagreeing with you. I guess it happens quite often. That's a shame, maybe someday you'll learn to have an adult conversation with someone.
Your projection has been noted and laughed at..

To remind you came on this forum hating that religion is able to be tax exempt. I have rubbed your nose in your own contempt. If you have a problem with that. it is your problem. Maybe you should learn to write a little more.. Diplomatically.. But then this is topix. So poor you getting you widdle feeling hurt..

Maybe one day you will learn that that when you come on to a forum swinging. That you should expect to have your nose rubbed in your own stupidity.
Logical Thinker

Pleasant Valley, NY

#15 Dec 26, 2013
HOLY SHIT you give yourself MUCH too much credit and credence.
A) I did not come to this forum hating. Again, this is YOU going on the offense as your defense. I simply expressed an opinion. One which you cannot handle so you flame me. Then you give yourself all kinds of credit for hurting my feelings with the puffed up chest of a retarded bird.
B) YOU Posted in a forum in my area from halfway across the country. It showed up on my local list so I commented. Again, don't give yourself so much credit that I somehow went and chased you down sweetheart
3) Again, I was not "swinging", I made a simple statement. And since you disagree with that statement you call me stupid. lol Real nice.
I'm not sure what you base your assessment on calling me stupid though. What is your justification of this?
I've gotta say, I know FAR more atheists than "wiccans". So I'd cut back on calling everyone else stupid at every turn. Please, get a more intelligent response next time. Of course I don't expect this to happen.
Ken Ra

Minneapolis, MN

#16 Dec 27, 2013
Originally American Churches took care of the poor, the sick and the homeless. That was then, this is now where a church leader has a private elevator for his Limousine. As a Wiccan Priest I have doubts of the need for tax exemptions for religion. A Wiccan coven is rarely more than 13 people, so a paid minister is financially unworkable. If people had to serve the Gods because it was right, instead of profitable we would have much better churches / Covens and religion. Still there is a need for networks that need a bigger budget. I do NOT like helping to fund Christian cults.

“Dance with Fire- Boycott BS”

Since: Apr 07

Moon

#17 Dec 27, 2013
I think there just needs to be more regulation and oversight in the religious exemptions. There are wide differences from community Pagan groups and country churches to the mega churches with unregulated spending and unabashed lobbying. If they bring in more than a certain amount, then they need to show that are spending it on charitable activities in the US. Real charity, not missionary groups trying to convert Jews and Muslims in European countries...

“Dance with Fire- Boycott BS”

Since: Apr 07

Moon

#18 Dec 27, 2013
Logical Thinker wrote:
There should be NO tax exemptions for ANY religious organizations. Period.
In that case, any group organized around a non-charitable interest, hobby, sport, art, or craft or endeavor should also be denied a tax exemption.

“Proud to be a Wiccan Priest”

Since: Jul 09

Jonesboro AR

#19 Dec 27, 2013
Logical Thinker wrote:
HOLY SHIT you give yourself MUCH too much credit and credence.
A) I did not come to this forum hating. Again, this is YOU going on the offense as your defense. I simply expressed an opinion. One which you cannot handle so you flame me. Then you give yourself all kinds of credit for hurting my feelings with the puffed up chest of a retarded bird.
B) YOU Posted in a forum in my area from halfway across the country. It showed up on my local list so I commented. Again, don't give yourself so much credit that I somehow went and chased you down sweetheart
3) Again, I was not "swinging", I made a simple statement. And since you disagree with that statement you call me stupid. lol Real nice.
I'm not sure what you base your assessment on calling me stupid though. What is your justification of this?
I've gotta say, I know FAR more atheists than "wiccans". So I'd cut back on calling everyone else stupid at every turn. Please, get a more intelligent response next time. Of course I don't expect this to happen.
Aww looky he now claims to know more atheists than Wiccans.. Goody for you..

You came in here looking for a brawl.. Guess what? You got one.. Welcome to topix.

And now you are whining because you got your feeling hurt.. Poor you..

Tax exempt for all non profits are necessary. As it does enable them to focus on the goals and things they are working towards.

I do agree with that the 501 law needs more regulation and oversight. Sadly though when it comes to religious organizations an Administration like former President Bushjr can make it harder for any religion that does not meet with it approval. Getting its 501 3 .

With the hyper partisanship in Congress I would not anticipate that this issue will be see the light of day any time soon.

Buty as long as you want to eliminate all tax exemptions for all religions. Naw, I do not agree with that in away.. Such a statement lends the idea that you are a fool looking for a brawl. So you got your feeling hurt.. Tough.

“Proud to be a Wiccan Priest”

Since: Jul 09

Jonesboro AR

#20 Dec 27, 2013
Ken Ra wrote:
Originally American Churches took care of the poor, the sick and the homeless. That was then, this is now where a church leader has a private elevator for his Limousine. As a Wiccan Priest I have doubts of the need for tax exemptions for religion. A Wiccan coven is rarely more than 13 people, so a paid minister is financially unworkable. If people had to serve the Gods because it was right, instead of profitable we would have much better churches / Covens and religion. Still there is a need for networks that need a bigger budget. I do NOT like helping to fund Christian cults.
Having been part of a larger tradition.. Yes, that 501 is necessary to get the business of the Coven done. For smaller groups, no. Medium sized, maybe. Large, you bet.

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