The Coming Christian Revolt

The Coming Christian Revolt

There are 283 comments on the Intellectual Conservative Politics and Philosophy story from Jul 19, 2014, titled The Coming Christian Revolt. In it, Intellectual Conservative Politics and Philosophy reports that:

From behind a smoking sniper rifle high atop his ivory tower peers the secular-"progressive."

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“No Allah: know peace”

Since: Jun 07

A sacred grove in Tujunga, CA

#1 Jul 22, 2014
Once again proving that xians have no clue as to what the Bible really says. There is nothing saying that abortion is a sin, gay marriage is celebrated in the marriage of David and Johnathan, and there is nothing to support the notion that there is anything wrong with birth control. As far as feminism is concerned, the actual goals of feminism (not the strawman caricature of the religious Reich wingers) is fully supported by the Bible. Or should we ignore the verses that say all are equal before God?

While whining about their own religious freedoms, these Reich wing pseudo-Christians want to trample the rights that others INCLUDING many Christians fully support. Yes, you are entitled to EQUAL rights under the Constitution. That does NOT mean that you get to deny those same rights to others, even if they are Pagan, Muslim, atheist, or any other form of religious belief or nonbelief.

Don't like gay marriage? Then marry someone of the opposite sex.

Don't like abortion? Then don't get one.

Don;t like other people having the right to make these choices for them selves? Too bad. You do NOT have the right to take these freedoms away from people. Trying to pretend that your God said so changes nothing.

“Equality marches on! ”

Since: Apr 08

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#4 Jul 22, 2014
Fa-Foxy wrote:
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Not all Christians believe those sorts of things. I'm an ELCA Lutheran and a regular church-goer. We don;t believe those things.
It was posted "xians". I understood the point made.
Belle Sexton

Santa Cruz, CA

#5 Jul 22, 2014
Liam R wrote:
Once again proving that xians have no clue as to what the Bible really says. There is nothing saying that abortion is a sin, gay marriage is celebrated in the marriage of David and Johnathan, and there is nothing to support the notion that there is anything wrong with birth control. As far as feminism is concerned, the actual goals of feminism (not the strawman caricature of the religious Reich wingers) is fully supported by the Bible. Or should we ignore the verses that say all are equal before God?
While whining about their own religious freedoms, these Reich wing pseudo-Christians want to trample the rights that others INCLUDING many Christians fully support. Yes, you are entitled to EQUAL rights under the Constitution. That does NOT mean that you get to deny those same rights to others, even if they are Pagan, Muslim, atheist, or any other form of religious belief or nonbelief.
Don't like gay marriage? Then marry someone of the opposite sex.
Don't like abortion? Then don't get one.
Don;t like other people having the right to make these choices for them selves? Too bad. You do NOT have the right to take these freedoms away from people. Trying to pretend that your God said so changes nothing.
Now that's the TRUTH !!!
Dan

United States

#6 Jul 23, 2014
Liam R wrote:
Once again proving that xians have no clue as to what the Bible really says. There is nothing saying that abortion is a sin, gay marriage is celebrated in the marriage of David and Johnathan, and there is nothing to support the notion that there is anything wrong with birth control. As far as feminism is concerned, the actual goals of feminism (not the strawman caricature of the religious Reich wingers) is fully supported by the Bible. Or should we ignore the verses that say all are equal before God?
While whining about their own religious freedoms, these Reich wing pseudo-Christians want to trample the rights that others INCLUDING many Christians fully support. Yes, you are entitled to EQUAL rights under the Constitution. That does NOT mean that you get to deny those same rights to others, even if they are Pagan, Muslim, atheist, or any other form of religious belief or nonbelief.
Don't like gay marriage? Then marry someone of the opposite sex.
Don't like abortion? Then don't get one.
Don;t like other people having the right to make these choices for them selves? Too bad. You do NOT have the right to take these freedoms away from people. Trying to pretend that your God said so changes nothing.
I'm not sure that the "argument from silence" approach is that substantive, Liam.
Holy Silicon Wafer

Philadelphia, PA

#8 Jul 23, 2014
It's not a revolt. Fundies have traditionally been able to act with impunity in all the ways they're wishing to continue acting now.

It's more a backlash from the fundies than a revolt. They've been bigots all along. This is their backlash against how much harder it is getting for them to act out their depraved, reprobate, completely hypocritical, historical bigotry in this non theocracy.

Also, "revolt" casts them as the victims. But they're the perpetrators, obviously. No one said talibangelical loons can't marry, adopt, serve, be protected from arbitrary firing or from hate crimes...although perhaps we will need to consider such solutions.

“lightly burnt,but still smokin”

Since: Dec 06

in the corner of your mind,

#9 Jul 23, 2014
ignorant xians have confused persecution with NOT GETTING THIER WAY....also the website intellectual conservative is a serious oxymoron
Dan

United States

#10 Jul 23, 2014
godless by choice wrote:
ignorant xians have confused persecution with NOT GETTING THIER WAY....also the website intellectual conservative is a serious oxymoron
Honestly, I think the adminsitration handed them a cause on a silver paltter RE: the ACA and the contraception mandate.

Pretty hard to argue that it wasn't an attempted infringement on religious employers.

“Crusading Fundies r hilarious!”

Since: Feb 11

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#11 Jul 23, 2014
Dan wrote:
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Honestly, I think the adminsitration handed them a cause on a silver paltter RE: the ACA and the contraception mandate.
Pretty hard to argue that it wasn't an attempted infringement on religious employers.
Not hard at all. Were the religious employers forced to use birth control? Were the religious employers told they had to change the way they feel about birth control? If your answer is no, then you are hard pressed to demonstrate the infringement you mention.

I can't wait for Jehovah's Witness employers to deny benefits for blood transfusions for their employees.
Dan

United States

#12 Jul 23, 2014
Jonah1 wrote:
<quoted text>
Not hard at all. Were the religious employers forced to use birth control? Were the religious employers told they had to change the way they feel about birth control? If your answer is no, then you are hard pressed to demonstrate the infringement you mention.
I can't wait for Jehovah's Witness employers to deny benefits for blood transfusions for their employees.
The "making them buy it/provide it" part of the deal was the infringement I was thinking of.

I mean, honestly, that was a politically motivated codicil of the ACA and they could have simply exempted religious employers straight away and avoided all the BS, but they wanted to make a point to a voting bloc,
Dan

United States

#13 Jul 23, 2014
Jonah1 wrote:
<quoted text>
Not hard at all. Were the religious employers forced to use birth control? Were the religious employers told they had to change the way they feel about birth control? If your answer is no, then you are hard pressed to demonstrate the infringement you mention.
I can't wait for Jehovah's Witness employers to deny benefits for blood transfusions for their employees.
I mean, NOW has the Little Sisters of The Poor on their "Dirty 100" list.

Who's taking the shots at whom?
Wondering

Tyngsboro, MA

#14 Jul 23, 2014
Jonah1 wrote:
<quoted text>
Not hard at all. Were the religious employers forced to use birth control? Were the religious employers told they had to change the way they feel about birth control? If your answer is no, then you are hard pressed to demonstrate the infringement you mention.
I can't wait for Jehovah's Witness employers to deny benefits for blood transfusions for their employees.
The answer is yes. If they were employees they would be fired for not following the teachings of the church.
Dan

United States

#15 Jul 23, 2014
Jonah1 wrote:
<quoted text>
Not hard at all. Were the religious employers forced to use birth control? Were the religious employers told they had to change the way they feel about birth control? If your answer is no, then you are hard pressed to demonstrate the infringement you mention.
I can't wait for Jehovah's Witness employers to deny benefits for blood transfusions for their employees.
JW's tend to not associate with those who are "unbelievers".

In the unlikely event that a JW company is of the where the ACA rules impact them, an dobjects to offering blood transfusuiosn in their helth benefit package, I don't see where anything would happen to them.

The ACA, to my knowledge, doesn't mandate provision of blood transfusions Just birth control.
Dan

United States

#16 Jul 23, 2014
Jonah1 wrote:
<quoted text>
Not hard at all. Were the religious employers forced to use birth control? Were the religious employers told they had to change the way they feel about birth control? If your answer is no, then you are hard pressed to demonstrate the infringement you mention.
I can't wait for Jehovah's Witness employers to deny benefits for blood transfusions for their employees.
"Were the religious employers told they had to change the way they feel about birth control?"

No-they were told to provide it no matter how they felt about it.

Since: Apr 11

Santa Monica, CA

#17 Jul 23, 2014
Liam R wrote:
Once again proving that xians have no clue as to what the Bible really says. There is nothing saying that abortion is a sin, gay marriage is celebrated in the marriage of David and Johnathan, and there is nothing to support the notion that there is anything wrong with birth control...
The bible indicates in many places that human life begins with the first breath. It never says it begins at conception, the authors didn't know about conception. They thought a man's "seed" was just that, seed. They didn't know a woman produces eggs.

Since: Aug 11

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#18 Jul 23, 2014
Liam R wrote:
Once again proving that xians have no clue as to what the Bible really says. There is nothing saying that abortion is a sin, gay marriage is celebrated in the marriage of David and Johnathan, and there is nothing to support the notion that there is anything wrong with birth control. As far as feminism is concerned, the actual goals of feminism (not the strawman caricature of the religious Reich wingers) is fully supported by the Bible. Or should we ignore the verses that say all are equal before God?
While whining about their own religious freedoms, these Reich wing pseudo-Christians want to trample the rights that others INCLUDING many Christians fully support. Yes, you are entitled to EQUAL rights under the Constitution. That does NOT mean that you get to deny those same rights to others, even if they are Pagan, Muslim, atheist, or any other form of religious belief or nonbelief.
Don't like gay marriage? Then marry someone of the opposite sex.
Don't like abortion? Then don't get one.
Don;t like other people having the right to make these choices for them selves? Too bad. You do NOT have the right to take these freedoms away from people. Trying to pretend that your God said so changes nothing.
Exactly.

The article is nothing but a lot of self-serving nonsense. This is why Christianity is rapidly becoming irrelevant to people's lives.

“Crusading Fundies r hilarious!”

Since: Feb 11

Location hidden

#19 Jul 23, 2014
Dan wrote:
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The "making them buy it/provide it" part of the deal was the infringement
The ACA doesn't make anyone buy anything. The owner's of Busybody Lobby weren't forced to use contraception. Nor were any of their employees. The ACA only mandates that it be available for those that DO want it. Quite frankly, which ever employees of Busybody Lobby are using birth control, it's of no business to the owners of the company.
Dan wrote:
<quoted text>
I mean, honestly, that was a politically motivated codicil of the ACA and they could have simply exempted religious employers straight away and avoided all the BS, but they wanted to make a point to a voting bloc,
Why are religious employers entitled to religious exemptions in a place of public accommodation? The business is not a religious institution, and it's employees are not subject to follow, adhere to, or recognize the religious fanaticism of the owners.

Since: Aug 11

Location hidden

#20 Jul 23, 2014
Holy Silicon Wafer wrote:
It's not a revolt. Fundies have traditionally been able to act with impunity in all the ways they're wishing to continue acting now.
It's more a backlash from the fundies than a revolt. They've been bigots all along. This is their backlash against how much harder it is getting for them to act out their depraved, reprobate, completely hypocritical, historical bigotry in this non theocracy.
Also, "revolt" casts them as the victims. But they're the perpetrators, obviously. No one said talibangelical loons can't marry, adopt, serve, be protected from arbitrary firing or from hate crimes...although perhaps we will need to consider such solutions.
Yes. It might well be called sniveling because they can't get their way.

Since: Aug 11

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#21 Jul 23, 2014
Rose_NoHo wrote:
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The bible indicates in many places that human life begins with the first breath. It never says it begins at conception, the authors didn't know about conception. They thought a man's "seed" was just that, seed. They didn't know a woman produces eggs.
Indeed.
Wondering

Tyngsboro, MA

#22 Jul 23, 2014
Jonah1 wrote:
<quoted text>
The ACA doesn't make anyone buy anything.
True, they can pay the fine instead.

Since: Aug 11

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#23 Jul 23, 2014
Jonah1 wrote:
<quoted text>
The ACA doesn't make anyone buy anything. The owner's of Busybody Lobby weren't forced to use contraception. Nor were any of their employees. The ACA only mandates that it be available for those that DO want it. Quite frankly, which ever employees of Busybody Lobby are using birth control, it's of no business to the owners of the company.
<quoted text>
Why are religious employers entitled to religious exemptions in a place of public accommodation? The business is not a religious institution, and it's employees are not subject to follow, adhere to, or recognize the religious fanaticism of the owners.
Activist judges? lol

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