Holy Bible: The Expurgated Version

May 21, 2008 | Posted by: WiccaNews | Full story: newsblaze.com

Why have particular religious documents that were generally accepted as valid and legitimate by early fathers of the Catholic Church, such as the Book of Enoch, come to be excluded from Biblical canon, and ... By its description, Enoch appears to refer to Wiccan and pagan beliefs and practices.

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Oh Gosh! I wish someone would point out to this guy that
1) Revelations wasn't the last book written. Using that phrase the way he does, would mean that ALL writings after Revelations shouldn't be admitted into the Bible. Whoops, that would be most of the NT!

2) In 325 ad there was 1800 Bishops. The Bishops of the Christian Church did NOT recognize the authority of Constantine to gather the Bishops. Only 250 to 318 Bishops attended. It was only the views of these men, which was less then 20% to 15% of the Bishops that is what we know today as Orthodox. The rest of the Bishops ended up finding them selfs teaching un-orthodox and heresy. But that doesn't mean they were teaching gnostic.

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May 22, 2008
 
His whole point is to point out that there are other books that wasn't allowed. And some of the why. It would have been easier to just explain it in modern times.

Like some ruler gets tired of all the different Christian Churches arguing over which one is right, etc. So that ruler orders the heads of ALL the various Christian Churches to attend a meeting in his country. A country that is known to ahh.. appreciate Christians.

How many would show up? Which ones would show up? What would be decided?

Can we really see the various Christian Churches today meeting and coming to an agreement about all their differences?

After the meeting, it would not matter the reasoning a person would hold about their beliefs. They would have to start believing what was agreed upon by the very few that showed up.

What if one of the groups to show up was the FLDS and everyone agreed that men would have many wives.... All disagreeing information would be destroyed. And to continue saying differently could get you called a heretic.

Yes, it did end up like that over time. One was either a Christian or a Heretic. One could not be both. And you could be killed for being a Heretic.

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This isn't a slap at the RCC. Cause no matter what Christian Church a person is in, it is their history. It explains why we are different then the early Christian Churches. Yet, in some ways the same. They didn't all agree with each other. Today we don't all agree.

It explains how the Bible came to be. And explains why some books were left out. It also explains why it might be 'ok' to consider what was left out.

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May 22, 2008
 
Personaly I find it amazing that the Book of Enoch was the book that named the leaders of the "Host of Angels", and was then discarded. I suppose the discarding is a natural thing since I, and many others, discard the scriptures of Judaic and Christian thought as irrelevant to life. We as human beings mean nothing it is all about a raging and jealous God...who punishes us and our children, and our childrens children, yet needs and can not survive without our money.

What a silly concept Christianity is to ponder.

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May 22, 2008
 
Hmmm... No one knocked your beliefs Natalia on this thread.

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May 22, 2008
 
I am not knocking your beliefs. There is a difference between belief and institution. Are you going to defend the institution of Christianity? If so have at it. I will tell you now, I will rail with you. Why not history will prove mje right.

If you are inclined to speak of the seperation of the institution of Christianity and your personal beliefs, "your saving knowledge of grace?" I will smile and wonder about you. Let me ask you, as a Christian, do you believe in a final "salvation", if so what is that, and how does one arrive there?

Do you believe Jesus Christ was the saving sacrifice for sin? If not why not?

I have to be honest Spanky, I am not exactly sure that you are what the church and the world around you would define as a "Christian"...so why don't you take the time to explain it?

Tell me as a "Christian" what a Christian is. What does "Jesus" mean to you.

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You have claimed to be a "Christian" hanging with and dabbling among witches. These are very fair questions.

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May 22, 2008
 
Natalia Tikimirova wrote:
What a silly concept Christianity is to ponder.
Well this says you are.

Your comments about Enoch was informational and adding to the conversation.

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May 22, 2008
 
Natalia Tikimirova wrote:
You have claimed to be a "Christian" hanging with and dabbling among witches. These are very fair questions.
LOL! Well, my friends here wouldn't be my friends if I spent my time here talking about my Christian beliefs on this board. Now would they? LOL! That would be 'trolling'. And that isn't part of my belief system. Tee hee

However, you might catch me doing so on threads that are also listed elsewhere. This thread is also listed in the RCC board. It's not just on the pagan board.

And I have been known to discuss very heavily my beliefs over on the Christian board. So my beliefs are not exactly secret or hidden. I just believe in being respectful to others.

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May 22, 2008
 
What I thought, how very "Christian" of you.

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LOL! Well, my friends here wouldn't be my friends if I spent my time here talking about my Christian beliefs on this board. Now would they? LOL! That would be 'trolling'. And that isn't part of my belief system. Tee hee
However, you might catch me doing so on threads that are also listed elsewhere. This thread is also listed in the RCC board. It's not just on the pagan board.
And I have been known to discuss very heavily my beliefs over on the Christian board. So my beliefs are not exactly secret or hidden. I just believe in being respectful to others.
"Your friends here" are being polite due to forum history. I am not, I am asking you to explain. You claim you have explained this on other forums? Then why not here?

Is it wrong to ask a self professed Christian to define Christian concepts of spiritual salvation? Is it wrong to ask a Christian to explain what "Jesus" means to them on a different forum" Does one cease to be a spiritual Christian on one thread and suddenly change into a semantic Christian on another?

What are you afraid of?

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May 22, 2008
 
Humor those of us to lazy to go to other forums..."testify as to the grace of Christ".

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You are after all a many times over professed "Christian". This is what you have said. What does that mean? Is not Christ the only way to heaven?

Come on tell us what being a Christian means to you? After all this time among us don't you think you should explain it to us?

Are we going to hell Spangle?

(and I have looked at the other forums)

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May 22, 2008
 
c'mon Spanky, tell Auntie Tasha all about it. ROFLMAO

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May 22, 2008
 
Are you PMS-ing or something?

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May 22, 2008
 
No I am not. I am asking you some very serious questions that you seem to be avoiding.

You told me to go look at other forums, I did.

I am asking you, reasonably so, considering the animosity between Christians and anyone different...to explain why a "Christian" would dabble with "the lost and unsaved".(I believe those quotation marks belong to you?)

I have merely asked you to explain what "Christianity" means to you. Is your sense of Christianity not worth talking about? You have made this claim so many times, are you unable to define it?

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May 22, 2008
 
I have been spending the day thinking of a portion of the "Wiccan Rede", it goes like this:

"With a fool no season spend
and do not be counted as their friend".

You make so loud claims to be "Christian", yet say nothing of what Jesus means to you individually, when asked on the Pagan thread. Why is that so? There are stone cold hard Canons of Christianity, you have spoken elequently on these canons on other threads, why not here? Why do you refuse to define Christianity on this forum with the elequence you have on other forums?

Seems rather "foolish" to me.
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Natalia Tikimirova wrote:
I am not knocking your beliefs. There is a difference between belief and institution. Are you going to defend the institution of Christianity? If so have at it. I will tell you now, I will rail with you. Why not history will prove mje right.
If you are inclined to speak of the seperation of the institution of Christianity and your personal beliefs, "your saving knowledge of grace?" I will smile and wonder about you. Let me ask you, as a Christian, do you believe in a final "salvation", if so what is that, and how does one arrive there?
Do you believe Jesus Christ was the saving sacrifice for sin? If not why not?
I have to be honest Spanky, I am not exactly sure that you are what the church and the world around you would define as a "Christian"...so why don't you take the time to explain it?
Tell me as a "Christian" what a Christian is. What does "Jesus" mean to you.
Natalia, you are known for bashing Christians, calling the bible silly , calling people who read the bible bible thumpers. You are one very bigoted person. Did you know Christ loves you? How can you turn your back on someone who loves you no matter what? I do not understand why you pick a so called religion that is faulty over one that is perfect.

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May 22, 2008
 
You make the claim to be Christian, then you say you keep your Christian views silent because "your friends here wouldn't like you".

Well I think your friends deserve to know, so I will flat out ask you?

Are your frinds here going to go to hell, if they do not accept Jesus as their savior?
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Natalia Tikimirova wrote:
What I thought, how very "Christian" of you.
Natalie, please try to explain Christ and what He did and will do. Everyone wants to know.

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