Speaking of religion: Pagans stir a f...

Speaking of religion: Pagans stir a fuss in Beebe

There are 121 comments on the Arkansas Times story from Jun 15, 2014, titled Speaking of religion: Pagans stir a fuss in Beebe. In it, Arkansas Times reports that:

Heard of the Seekers Temple ? If not, I expect you will before long. It's a pagan temple and store that says it has run into a slew of headaches in attempting to pursue its business and religion in Beebe, Ark.

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Ernie

United States

#84 Jul 13, 2014
Kathwynn wrote:
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Seriously that is your answer..
Lets try this.. The light house never before shown a light into the house before. Suddenly there is a bunch of pagans living in the house. The light as mentioned never shown into the house before.. Why suddenly is it shinning into the house now.. Answer.. Harassment. Pure and simple. I have been down there and that light house is capable of beaming a light in to the house.
So can you see that you just made a fool of yourself. By the way I do not live in Beebe.
LOL
"Capable of beaming a light in the windows ".

To do this, they would have to take the light out of the second story & place it in the parking lot! You really can't seriously think people will believe your nonsense!
a person

Seattle, WA

#85 Jul 13, 2014
Kathwynn wrote:
<quoted text>Seriously that is your answer..

Lets try this.. The light house never before shown a light into the house before. Suddenly there is a bunch of pagans living in the house. The light as mentioned never shown into the house before.. Why suddenly is it shinning into the house now.. Answer.. Harassment. Pure and simple. I have been down there and that light house is capable of beaming a light in to the house.

So can you see that you just made a fool of yourself. By the way I do not live in Beebe.
Wait, how do you know it didn't shine in the house before they moved in? Are you assuming it didn't shine in before or do you know it as fact? Is that a normal thing to check for lighthouse lights coming into homes you don't live in? Lol. I don't live in Beebe anymore either. I just find the reactions childish and unprofessional for someone who is to take up the mantle as a representative of their organization. I can understand anger at being blinded, but what proof is there?

Does Bert or any of Bert's roommates have proof of the light shining, or is it simply hearsay? Again, it's up to the accuser to provide proof. Do you have video recordings of the lights? Do you have an official statement under oath from a reputable, unbiased source? These things are needed for this to be taken seriously. I've been on both sides of these battles, and it comes down to proof, not slander.

“Proud to be a Wiccan Priest”

Since: Jul 09

Jonesboro AR

#86 Jul 14, 2014
Ernie wrote:
<quoted text>
LOL
"Capable of beaming a light in the windows ".
To do this, they would have to take the light out of the second story & place it in the parking lot! You really can't seriously think people will believe your nonsense!
Actually, it even more simple than that.. but then you are not interested in truth. just trolling.. Much like the other fool..

“Proud to be a Wiccan Priest”

Since: Jul 09

Jonesboro AR

#87 Jul 14, 2014
a person wrote:
<quoted text>
Wait, how do you know it didn't shine in the house before they moved in? Are you assuming it didn't shine in before or do you know it as fact? Is that a normal thing to check for lighthouse lights coming into homes you don't live in? Lol. I don't live in Beebe anymore either. I just find the reactions childish and unprofessional for someone who is to take up the mantle as a representative of their organization. I can understand anger at being blinded, but what proof is there?
Does Bert or any of Bert's roommates have proof of the light shining, or is it simply hearsay? Again, it's up to the accuser to provide proof. Do you have video recordings of the lights? Do you have an official statement under oath from a reputable, unbiased source? These things are needed for this to be taken seriously. I've been on both sides of these battles, and it comes down to proof, not slander.
Not slander when truth.. The light was not shinning into the house until after the church found out that they were Pagan and had no interest in joining their religion.. So much for that christian thought of winning people over with love and tolerance.
but you just keep trolling..
a person

Conway, AR

#88 Jul 14, 2014
Kathwynn wrote:
<quoted text>Not slander when truth.. The light was not shinning into the house until after the church found out that they were Pagan and had no interest in joining their religion.. So much for that christian thought of winning people over with love and tolerance.
but you just keep trolling..
Truth or slander... It's slander until it's proven in a court of law. All you do is repeat yourself and call me a fool for telling you the steps you need to do to take legal actions to defend yourselves. You don't have any proof, and most of the world won't believe you because you didn't take the time to get evidence.

“Proud to be a Wiccan Priest”

Since: Jul 09

Jonesboro AR

#89 Jul 15, 2014
a person wrote:
<quoted text>
Truth or slander... It's slander until it's proven in a court of law. All you do is repeat yourself and call me a fool for telling you the steps you need to do to take legal actions to defend yourselves. You don't have any proof, and most of the world won't believe you because you didn't take the time to get evidence.
It is not slander and yes when this court it will all be there.. So you just keep telling yourself that it is not discrimination. it is and will be shown to be as well.

by the way scooter i have been down to Beebe. have heard both sides.. You do not have to like it. Beebe is about to learn what a Floridian town learned as well. You do not get to discriminate against people just because you do not like their religion.
a person

Conway, AR

#90 Jul 15, 2014
Kathwynn wrote:
<quoted text>It is not slander and yes when this court it will all be there.. So you just keep telling yourself that it is not discrimination. it is and will be shown to be as well.

by the way scooter i have been down to Beebe. have heard both sides.. You do not have to like it. Beebe is about to learn what a Floridian town learned as well. You do not get to discriminate against people just because you do not like their religion.
What you're saying is absolutely true, you can't discriminate because of religion, but what I keep asking is what recording did you do of the lighthouse crime?

You're really caught up with thinking I'm attacking you but I'm not, I'm just wondering why your side doesn't use tried and true tactics such as proof and evidence to speak for you. Did you get recordings of it while it was shining at them? This would be very helpful, since it looks like most of the town finds it difficult to believe that a church's lighthouse can be aimed as a weapon towards their enemies. Please understand, that without proof, you are leaving yourself open to lawsuits on your end, especially libel from topix alone. I've asked you several times what proof do you guys have other than eyewitness testimony? Can you provide us with anything other than, "I drove over there one night and saw it. It seemed bright. Harrumph."

Your opposition has posted YouTube clips of Bert sending threatening voicemails, as well as storming into a church. This, along with libel could be a serious court case against him. What proof can you offer to back up your claims?

“Evi Limp”

Since: Mar 14

Impville, Hades

#91 Jul 16, 2014
so ..... no one wants to get paid to mow this person's lawn? Anyone in Beebe who actually want to get paid for mowing the lawn of this pagan group may want to contact them .... they're willing to pay if you're willing to do the job

Since: Nov 11

Cabot Arkansas

#92 Jul 16, 2014
selatla wrote:
so ..... no one wants to get paid to mow this person's lawn? Anyone in Beebe who actually want to get paid for mowing the lawn of this pagan group may want to contact them .... they're willing to pay if you're willing to do the job
I have a buddy who would do it

“Evi Limp”

Since: Mar 14

Impville, Hades

#93 Jul 16, 2014
let them know ... they have apparently contacted the lawn mowing services there and ran into a wall or somesuch
Ernie

United States

#94 Jul 16, 2014
selatla wrote:
let them know ... they have apparently contacted the lawn mowing services there and ran into a wall or somesuch
I didn't see a wall in their yard to run into! Lol

Plenty of mowing services around !

“Evi Limp”

Since: Mar 14

Impville, Hades

#95 Jul 16, 2014
thilly
THOR

United States

#96 Jul 16, 2014
selatla wrote:
let them know ... they have apparently contacted the lawn mowing services there and ran into a wall or somesuch
They could fence it in & raise goats! That would be killing two birds with one stone! The yard would get mowed & they could raise their own sacrifices !

“Proud to be a Wiccan Priest”

Since: Jul 09

Jonesboro AR

#97 Jul 16, 2014
a person wrote:
<quoted text>
What you're saying is absolutely true, you can't discriminate because of religion, but what I keep asking is what recording did you do of the lighthouse crime?
You're really caught up with thinking I'm attacking you but I'm not, I'm just wondering why your side doesn't use tried and true tactics such as proof and evidence to speak for you. Did you get recordings of it while it was shining at them? This would be very helpful, since it looks like most of the town finds it difficult to believe that a church's lighthouse can be aimed as a weapon towards their enemies. Please understand, that without proof, you are leaving yourself open to lawsuits on your end, especially libel from topix alone. I've asked you several times what proof do you guys have other than eyewitness testimony? Can you provide us with anything other than, "I drove over there one night and saw it. It seemed bright. Harrumph."
Your opposition has posted YouTube clips of Bert sending threatening voicemails, as well as storming into a church. This, along with libel could be a serious court case against him. What proof can you offer to back up your claims?
i imagine the Bert has that.. or maybe you are still trying to play a fool here.. As I have stated i have been there.. The light house in question is quite able t do just what he says it did.. I know you want to believe that those ever so good christians would never do that.. guess what dumb@$$ they did,..

You want to sue me you fuctarded shyt bird. bring it on.. By the time my attorneys get done with you. You will be begging to settle..

oh and another thing.. This is going to be great to watch this fool mayor sanctimonious sneer get wiped off his face as the court finds against. Costs Beebe a pile of money. Mean while we Pagans will be worshiping in our own temple.

It is going to happen . It will happen and Arkansas is about to deliver up a lesson in why you DO NOT F*Ck with a person 1rst Amendment rights..

Good for you.. You choose the side of the bigots. your posts shows this to be true.

“Proud to be a Wiccan Priest”

Since: Jul 09

Jonesboro AR

#98 Jul 16, 2014
Ernie wrote:
<quoted text>
I didn't see a wall in their yard to run into! Lol
Plenty of mowing services around !
one of the companies contacted told them bluntly. they didn't want any trouble with t the church across the street. The other two that I am aware of. Were initially willing to mow the grass. Found out who they were.. Suddenly were to busy.. So it continues. You find it funny. I find it deplorable that you christians find any of this funny.

Since: Nov 11

Cabot Arkansas

#99 Jul 16, 2014
Kathwynn wrote:
<quoted text>i imagine the Bert has that.. or maybe you are still trying to play a fool here.. As I have stated i have been there.. The light house in question is quite able t do just what he says it did.. I know you want to believe that those ever so good christians would never do that.. guess what dumb@$$ they did,..

You want to sue me you fuctarded shyt bird. bring it on.. By the time my attorneys get done with you. You will be begging to settle..

oh and another thing.. This is going to be great to watch this fool mayor sanctimonious sneer get wiped off his face as the court finds against. Costs Beebe a pile of money. Mean while we Pagans will be worshiping in our own temple.

It is going to happen . It will happen and Arkansas is about to deliver up a lesson in why you DO NOT F*Ck with a person 1rst Amendment rights..

Good for you.. You choose the side of the bigots. your posts shows this to be true.
Could we stop with the name
calling? I haven't insulted you, and I'm not gonna sue you because I have no stake in the matter.

I have defended your right to believe as you want in several posts, but you still seem butthurt when all I'm asking for is what PROOF there is of a light being shone in a window. Visibility to the lighthouse from your window shows that it plausible for there to be a light there, but it's not proof that it was pointed at the house or even the wattage in question.

I understand your frustration, because you're used to trolls and people who don't know their bible well enough harassing you, but that's not me. I know my beliefs, and I also know what an awesome country we live in that allows us to choose any religion we want to worship.

Just because you can see the lighthouse doesn't provide proof that it sent harmful light your direction, for that you either need witnesses in the church that testify that they did it, or you need video footage of the light assault. It's going to be a waste of court fees if you go to court with that, if you can find a lawyer willing to go to court over that.

Now, if lighthouse church decided to sue your organization for defamation of character, slander, and libel, they have proof of that. They would just need to come up with a figure out how much it has hurt them monetarily, which I'm not in the right career field to assess. In courthouses across the country, juries(theoretically) side with the proof.

Since: Nov 11

Cabot Arkansas

#100 Jul 16, 2014
Kathwynn wrote:
<quoted text>one of the companies contacted told them bluntly. they didn't want any trouble with t the church across the street. The other two that I am aware of. Were initially willing to mow the grass. Found out who they were.. Suddenly were to busy.. So it continues. You find it funny. I find it deplorable that you christians find any of this funny.
I know some people in bb that do something like that. I'll find someone willing to

“Proud to be a Wiccan Priest”

Since: Jul 09

Jonesboro AR

#101 Jul 20, 2014
Travis Frey wrote:
<quoted text>
Could we stop with the name
calling? I haven't insulted you, and I'm not gonna sue you because I have no stake in the matter.
I have defended your right to believe as you want in several posts, but you still seem butthurt when all I'm asking for is what PROOF there is of a light being shone in a window. Visibility to the lighthouse from your window shows that it plausible for there to be a light there, but it's not proof that it was pointed at the house or even the wattage in question.
I understand your frustration, because you're used to trolls and people who don't know their bible well enough harassing you, but that's not me. I know my beliefs, and I also know what an awesome country we live in that allows us to choose any religion we want to worship.
Just because you can see the lighthouse doesn't provide proof that it sent harmful light your direction, for that you either need witnesses in the church that testify that they did it, or you need video footage of the light assault. It's going to be a waste of court fees if you go to court with that, if you can find a lawyer willing to go to court over that.
Now, if lighthouse church decided to sue your organization for defamation of character, slander, and libel, they have proof of that. They would just need to come up with a figure out how much it has hurt them monetarily, which I'm not in the right career field to assess. In courthouses across the country, juries(theoretically) side with the proof.
Hey Travis.. So you are still taking the part of the 'christians' good for you.. you have just proved that you are not even smart enough to realize that the churches light house is capable and that you would rather believe these christians are lily white and pure.. You are the worse sort of fool. You pretend to be oh so sympathetic. In reality you are no better then these bigoted christians in Beebe. Keep you fuax sympathy. I have ran into your kind before. It is always goes the same way. Pagan in the end bad.. The christians no matter how they shred the Constitution always good.

And by the way Bert found some one..

If you do not like the fact that I call you out on your stupidity.. Scroll on by..

Since: Nov 11

Cabot Arkansas

#102 Jul 20, 2014
Kathwynn wrote:
<quoted text>Hey Travis.. So you are still taking the part of the 'christians' good for you.. you have just proved that you are not even smart enough to realize that the churches light house is capable and that you would rather believe these christians are lily white and pure.. You are the worse sort of fool. You pretend to be oh so sympathetic. In reality you are no better then these bigoted christians in Beebe. Keep you fuax sympathy. I have ran into your kind before. It is always goes the same way. Pagan in the end bad.. The christians no matter how they shred the Constitution always good.

And by the way Bert found some one..

If you do not like the fact that I call you out on your stupidity.. Scroll on by..
Asking for proof that a church's lighthouse can be used as a weapon isn't taking anyone's side, it's asking for more information before I do take your side.

Is it more foolish to ask for evidence or to blindly listen to testimonies from hidden people on topix?
THOR

United States

#103 Jul 20, 2014
Ernie wrote:
<quoted text>
I didn't see a wall in their yard to run into! Lol
Plenty of mowing services around !
Why don't the pagans put a spell on their yard where it will stay green year round & doesn't need to be mowed! Seems like that would be the thing to do, no mowing & save $.........

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