What does religious freedom mean?

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In the United States, Muslim women trying to maintain modesty should get female-only hours at the public pool , right? What about Wicca troops who want a chaplain of their own, even if there are only a few thousand of them in the military? And Catholic business owners who believe that contraception is killing - should they have to provide it to ... (more)

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“I will not go quietly.”

Since: Feb 07

Indianapolis Indiana

#187 Aug 20, 2012
Sherlayne wrote:
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I'm not pagan, though I have nothing against them. However, spend a lot of time on this forum and you'll begin to see that pagans often have a LOT more love, compassion and mercy than the so-called "religious".
Good luck to you.
Well, pagans are "religious" too, most simply aren't of the "It's My Way or you're going to burn in hell" type. One of the most hostile of the "Christian" is that "fedupwiththemess" fool, 5 minutes in the same room would make any REAL Christian be willing to quit and walk away from any Church.

“I will not go quietly.”

Since: Feb 07

Indianapolis Indiana

#188 Aug 20, 2012
SHON wrote:
<quoted text>Isn't the question also: If the government demands insurance coverage that violates someone's religious beliefs-does that employer have the rigth to say that they will not provide any coverage. I beleive it is their right- the employee is free to take their wages and use that money to buy the coverage for themselves. What part of that do you have a problem with? And Why?
No. The Employer simply does not have the right to force their Religious Belief upon their Employees, that is precisely what they are doing when they attempt to refuse coverage that they have a "religious" objection to, it's a type of discrimination rating right up there with refusing to hire gays or blacks.

“All in all”

Since: Apr 09

I'd rather be fishing!

#189 Aug 20, 2012
Pagan and Proud wrote:
<quoted text>I do not believe so at all. That still violates the First Amendment by attempting to force the employee to adhere to a Religious Doctrine that they do not follow themselves.
To you and Wood, I believe the 1st amendment applies only to government. If you read the bill of rights, it states that Government shall make no law. For the sake of argument, how can a private employer be forced to give up his/her beliefs for the sake of their employees. Can you state the law? Where is the business owners religious freedom?

“Shoot for the stars”

Since: Dec 10

Planet Earth

#190 Aug 20, 2012
Jeffd902 wrote:
<quoted text>To you and Wood, I believe the 1st amendment applies only to government. If you read the bill of rights, it states that Government shall make no law. For the sake of argument, how can a private employer be forced to give up his/her beliefs for the sake of their employees. Can you state the law? Where is the business owners religious freedom?
No business owner has to give up their belief, but the business owner cannot impose their belief onto employees because then it's harassment nor can an employer discriminate or terminate an employee for not agreeing with employer's religion, not practice same religion, have a different belief, no belief, etc........because this is where you get sued. An employee cannot proselytize in the workplace on co. time either because it's harassing other workers and is grounds for termination. This is all in business law.

“I will not go quietly.”

Since: Feb 07

Indianapolis Indiana

#191 Aug 20, 2012
Jeffd902 wrote:
<quoted text>To you and Wood, I believe the 1st amendment applies only to government. If you read the bill of rights, it states that Government shall make no law. For the sake of argument, how can a private employer be forced to give up his/her beliefs for the sake of their employees. Can you state the law? Where is the business owners religious freedom?
The Business Owner's Freedom of religion, just like everyone else's, is a right to practice their religion in their home. Constantly pushing your religion on others is a form of Harassment and has been fought successfully in court numerous times. Your Argument would allow a Jewish or Muslim employer to force their employees to wear Burkas or forbid any Pork product within the employee break room regardless of the religion of the employee.

“Shoot for the stars”

Since: Dec 10

Planet Earth

#192 Aug 20, 2012
Jeffd902 wrote:
<quoted text>To you and Wood, I believe the 1st amendment applies only to government. If you read the bill of rights, it states that Government shall make no law. For the sake of argument, how can a private employer be forced to give up his/her beliefs for the sake of their employees. Can you state the law? Where is the business owners religious freedom?
Oh, I forgot to mention that during an interview an employer is not allowed to ask what religion or anything pertaining to religion of the interviewee.

Since: Mar 11

Minnesota's North Coast

#193 Aug 20, 2012
Jeffd902 wrote:
<quoted text>To you and Wood, I believe the 1st amendment applies only to government. If you read the bill of rights, it states that Government shall make no law. For the sake of argument, how can a private employer be forced to give up his/her beliefs for the sake of their employees. Can you state the law? Where is the business owners religious freedom?
the business owners freedom of religion is still there. See, when you get out of religious fantasyland and play in the real world, you have to play by real world rules. that is not infringing on any one's religious rights, it is just reality.

they are still free to practice their religion in their homes and churches, where religion belongs.
fedupwiththemess

Manassas, VA

#194 Aug 20, 2012
It means that anyone or any group can make up any god that they want and worship it or him.

Since: Mar 11

Minnesota's North Coast

#195 Aug 20, 2012
fedupwiththemess wrote:
It means that anyone or any group can make up any god that they want and worship it or him.
Cool! i shall pray to the god of i don't want to pay any taxes...oh, that one is taken...

wouldn't that be wordhipping Mammon?

“I will not go quietly.”

Since: Feb 07

Indianapolis Indiana

#196 Aug 21, 2012
fedupwiththemess wrote:
It means that anyone or any group can make up any god that they want and worship it or him.
Sounds better than worshiping something made up by tribes wandering through a desert...
Imhotep

United States

#197 Aug 21, 2012
Religion aka Organized Superstition Dies when the civilization that created it dies. So shall it be with the current plethora of religions on the planet.
Egypt's history far exceeds the desert religions which are so popular now.
The Bible has the same revelance as The Egyptian Book of the Dead.
Let's forget that Jesus and entourage are copies of older myths.
Common sense and routine observation defeats the dreams of immortality promised by the clergy (special people that know the unknowable!)

Take the risk of thinking for yourself, much more happiness, truth, beauty, and wisdom will come to you that way.
SHON

Carol Stream, IL

#198 Aug 21, 2012
Pagan and Proud wrote:
<quoted text>No. The Employer simply does not have the right to force their Religious Belief upon their Employees, that is precisely what they are doing when they attempt to refuse coverage that they have a "religious" objection to, it's a type of discrimination rating right up there with refusing to hire gays or blacks.
Why is it te employer's responsibilty to provide coverage? Why can't the employee use their wages to purchase the coverage they want? Why won't you answer that question?
SHON

Carol Stream, IL

#199 Aug 21, 2012
Pagan and Proud wrote:
<quoted text>The Business Owner's Freedom of religion, just like everyone else's, is a right to practice their religion in their home. Constantly pushing your religion on others is a form of Harassment and has been fought successfully in court numerous times. Your Argument would allow a Jewish or Muslim employer to force their employees to wear Burkas or forbid any Pork product within the employee break room regardless of the religion of the employee.
So freedom of speach is only to practiced in the privacy of your own home, right?

Since: Jun 12

Location hidden

#200 Aug 21, 2012
I think they should have to provide coverage, there's a way to respect others who are different from you without agreeing with them. If they don't believe in contraception then they personally don't have to use it, but if their employees do, then it's the law that they have to provide it. Freedom of Religion doesn't mean forcing your beliefs down someone's throat. If there was a law that stated it was against the law to provide the coverage, then that would be catering to a specific religion, discriminating against all others.
ONTG

Carol Stream, IL

#201 Aug 21, 2012
Pagan Priestess wrote:
I think they should have to provide coverage, there's a way to respect others who are different from you without agreeing with them. If they don't believe in contraception then they personally don't have to use it, but if their employees do, then it's the law that they have to provide it. Freedom of Religion doesn't mean forcing your beliefs down someone's throat. If there was a law that stated it was against the law to provide the coverage, then that would be catering to a specific religion, discriminating against all others.
But yu are free to for ce your beleifs own someone else throat? Bcause you are a worthless POS incapable of providing for yourself so everyone has to bend down and kiss your worthless arse so you can sleep wth anything that comes along?

“I will not go quietly.”

Since: Feb 07

Indianapolis Indiana

#202 Aug 21, 2012
SHON wrote:
<quoted text>Why is it te employer's responsibilty to provide coverage? Why can't the employee use their wages to purchase the coverage they want? Why won't you answer that question?
Why wouldn't an employer provide coverage? It's in the employers best interest to provide methods of keeping their workforce healthy so as to not have to constantly have to train new people to perform their job. Why are you being so obtuse? With an employers purchasing power they can command discounts which are not available to the individual.

Since: Jun 12

Location hidden

#203 Aug 21, 2012
ONTG wrote:
<quoted text>But yu are free to for ce your beleifs own someone else throat? Bcause you are a worthless POS incapable of providing for yourself so everyone has to bend down and kiss your worthless arse so you can sleep wth anything that comes along?
Wow, so I'm a worthless POS? You're entitled to your opininion, even though you don't know me... Just because someone uses contraception, doesn't mean they sleep around. There are many people out there who are in monogamous relationships that use it because they're not ready to have children...seriously, you should really think about what you say before you post

“I will not go quietly.”

Since: Feb 07

Indianapolis Indiana

#204 Aug 21, 2012
SHON wrote:
<quoted text>So freedom of speach is only to practiced in the privacy of your own home, right?
All speech isn't "free". Words used to libel/slander another are subject to criminal or civil penalties. Words spoken aloud in public also have the issue of others reactions(which is also "free speech")which can have reactions from the public at large, Rep Akin would be a good example of this. Freedom of speech was designed that others may speak out without fear of being locked up by the Government, but it only goes so far.

“I will not go quietly.”

Since: Feb 07

Indianapolis Indiana

#205 Aug 21, 2012
ONTG wrote:
<quoted text>But yu are free to for ce your beleifs own someone else throat? Bcause you are a worthless POS incapable of providing for yourself so everyone has to bend down and kiss your worthless arse so you can sleep wth anything that comes along?
Not kowtowing to your self-righteous arse isn't shoving "their" beliefs down your throat. Simply because you are so selfish as to not want to help your neighbor would be far closer to making you the worthless POS than anything else.

“All in all”

Since: Apr 09

I'd rather be fishing!

#206 Aug 21, 2012
Please forgive my ignorance of religion in the workplace. As an agnostic, I never gave it much thought.

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