Heavenly bodies, and places - City Of Copernicus

Feb 28, 2013 Full story: Newkerala.com 26

Renewed interest in the celestial bodies after the recent asteroid-crush in Siberia reminds Ranjita Biswas of a visit to medieval Torun in Poland where revolutionary astronomer Copernicus lived.

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#1 Feb 28, 2013
1- He wasn't polak
2- Torun is not really polak city- it belonged to Balts (not fake slav's- polaks) PRUSSIANS...
Annie

London, UK

#3 Feb 28, 2013
his mother was German, his father Polish. He was a Polish national (allegiance to the king determined nationality) who spoke Latin and maybe German, but no Polish. They were different times.
Anonymous

Brewster, NY

#4 Feb 28, 2013
Annie wrote:
his mother was German, his father Polish. He was a Polish national (allegiance to the king determined nationality) who spoke Latin and maybe German, but no Polish. They were different times.
His mother had Polish orgins too.

His mother was related to many Polish elite & royal families of Poland.
polly parrot

Lake Worth, FL

#5 Feb 28, 2013
Annie wrote:
his mother was German, his father Polish. He was a Polish national (allegiance to the king determined nationality) who spoke Latin and maybe German, but no Polish. They were different times.
But of course Polak Catholics wanted all such people burned at the stake for heresy. Not sure why it was heresy given that their own worldview came not from scripture but from the Greek philosopher Ptolemy.
Anonymous

Brewster, NY

#6 Feb 28, 2013
polly parrot wrote:
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But of course Polak Catholics wanted all such people burned at the stake for heresy. Not sure why it was heresy given that their own worldview came not from scripture but from the Greek philosopher Ptolemy.
Copernicus was a devout Catholic... He was a Catholic priest essentially.

..
.... It was mostly Western Europeans who wanted to burn Copernicus to the stake for heresy.
Annie

London, UK

#7 Feb 28, 2013
mad uther hillbilly with a banjo on his knee wrote:
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But of course Polak Catholics wanted all such people burned at the stake for heresy. Not sure why it was heresy given that their own worldview came not from scripture but from the Greek philosopher Ptolemy.
You are thinking of Galileo and Italians.
Anonymous

Brewster, NY

#8 Feb 28, 2013
Annie wrote:
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You are thinking of Galileo and Italians.
Polish Catholics were more modern than Western Catholics.

Even the same is true in recent years.

Polish Pope John Paul officially recognized the Central Sun Solar system.

Pope John Paul II apologized for what happened to Galileo.

Pope John Paul II also recognized Theistic Evolution.
Annie

London, UK

#9 Feb 28, 2013
Kraut Germ Virus Man wrote:
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His mother had Polish orgins too.
His mother was related to many Polish elite & royal families of Poland.
She was from Warmia and didn't speak Polish. The royal families of Europe were ethnically mixed (and still are). His father was Polish by allegiance. But then there is no Polish ethnicity, only nationality.
Annie

London, UK

#10 Feb 28, 2013
As far as Ptolemy is concerned, scientists take knowledge to date and analyse it to form new theories. If Ptolemy had discovered the earth went around the sun, Copernicus would not be credited.
Anonymous

Brewster, NY

#11 Feb 28, 2013
polly parrot wrote:
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But of course Polak Catholics wanted all such people burned at the stake for heresy. Not sure why it was heresy given that their own worldview came not from scripture but from the Greek philosopher Ptolemy.
The biggest of haters of Copernicus was actually German Protestant Martin Luther.

Who is claimed to have invented the Protestant movement.... Martin Luther didn't invent the Protestant movement.... Typical Germanic lie.

It was actually the Czech Hussites with Czech Jan Hus who invented the Protestant movement.

Martin Luther pretty much stole & ripped off from the Czech Hussites.
Anonymous

Brewster, NY

#12 Feb 28, 2013
Annie wrote:
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She was from Warmia and didn't speak Polish. The royal families of Europe were ethnically mixed (and still are). His father was Polish by allegiance. But then there is no Polish ethnicity, only nationality.
Her Maternal surname Modlibogs means to pray to god in Polish.... How much more of a Polish surname is there!? LOL!

She was related to and to the prominent Polish Czapski, Dzia&#322;y&#324;ski, Konopacki and Ko&#347;cielecki noble families
Annie

London, UK

#13 Feb 28, 2013
Kraut Germ Virus Man wrote:
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Polish Catholics were more modern than Western Catholics.
Even the same is true in recent years.
Polish Pope John Paul officially recognized the Central Sun Solar system.
Pope John Paul II apologized for what happened to Galileo.
Pope John Paul II also recognized Theistic Evolution.
It's all relative. Copernicus did not upset the Vatican by flouting his theories the way Galileo did. Of course the Vatican accepts the theory now. This happened in less enlightened times when Christians were being burned at the stake by other Christians. Although I guess some on this forum would do the same today.
Anonymous

Brewster, NY

#14 Feb 28, 2013
Annie wrote:
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She was from Warmia and didn't speak Polish. The royal families of Europe were ethnically mixed (and still are). His father was Polish by allegiance. But then there is no Polish ethnicity, only nationality.
Besides her Paternal surname Watzenrode comes from Silesia which was first Polish before Germans were there.

Which in it's self is suspicious of a Germanization upon a Polish person.
Annie

London, UK

#15 Feb 28, 2013
Kraut Germ Virus Man wrote:
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Her Maternal surname Modlibogs means to pray to god in Polish.... How much more of a Polish surname is there!? LOL!
She was related to and to the prominent Polish Czapski, Dzia&#322;y&#324;ski, Konopacki and Ko&#347;cielecki noble families
Barbara Watzenrode? Sounds German. Mind you Tusk doesn't sound Polish either. Isn't he from an ethnically unique clan in the North of Poland?
Annie

London, UK

#16 Feb 28, 2013
Kraut Germ Virus Man wrote:
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The biggest of haters of Copernicus was actually German Protestant Martin Luther.
Who is claimed to have invented the Protestant movement.... Martin Luther didn't invent the Protestant movement.... Typical Germanic lie.
It was actually the Czech Hussites with Czech Jan Hus who invented the Protestant movement.
Martin Luther pretty much stole & ripped off from the Czech Hussites.
He was also persecuted by the Vatican. He had his own movement. Protestant? I'm not sure. It was a fundamental theological difference of opinion. He did not intend to create his own church, just wanted to be understood.
Anonymous

Brewster, NY

#17 Feb 28, 2013
Annie wrote:
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Barbara Watzenrode? Sounds German. Mind you Tusk doesn't sound Polish either. Isn't he from an ethnically unique clan in the North of Poland?
Yes.... The surname comes from Silesia which was always Polish & to a lesser extent Czech before Germans came in.

Which seems like a Germanized Polish person.

Donald Tusk is a Kashubian.... They are a Polish clan yeah... They are Lechites.

The difference between a Kashubian & a Pole is like the difference between a German & a Bavarian.
Anonymous

Brewster, NY

#18 Feb 28, 2013
Annie wrote:
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Mind you Tusk doesn't sound Polish either. Isn't he from an ethnically unique clan in the North of Poland?
Poland was many Polish of "Lechitic" clans formed into a united Lechitic or "Poland" by Mieszko the king of Poland.

Poland was of many Lechitic Polish tribes put together like Polans,Vistulans, Masovians, Silesians,Goplans, ect.

Yes Kashubians are one of these Lechitic Polish tribes...

Only difference is they weren't as Unified into the original Poland state as much as the others.

Polans & Vistulans seem to have been completely assimilated to Poland.

Still.... Sometimes Silesians & Masovians consider themselves slightly different same for Kashubians, Gorals ect.

It has mostly been Germans who try to divide up Polish people like this.

Which is why in Western parts of Poland such people as Silesians & Masovians sometimes didn't consider themselves quite as Polish.

Because Germany tried to divide them up some against Poland

.... Same for Gorals...... Kashubians too.

Nazi Germany in WW2 tried to get Gorals & Kashubians to fight with them against Poland.

It was largely a failure with Gorals.

But.... Nazi Germany practically forced Kashubians into Nazi German miltary.... Hence why Donald Tusk's father was drafted into the Nazi German army... He left later... Like most Kashubians.
Annie

London, UK

#19 Feb 28, 2013
Kraut Germ Virus Man wrote:
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The difference between a Kashubian & a Pole is like the difference between a German & a Bavarian.
Bavaria used to switch sides during wars too?
Anonymous

Brewster, NY

#20 Feb 28, 2013
Annie wrote:
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Bavaria used to switch sides during wars too?
I support Independence for Bavaria & of course Lusatian Sorbs.

The more divided Germania is the better!
Annie

London, UK

#21 Feb 28, 2013
Many Germans detest Bavarians.

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