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Jul 31, 2010
 
SUNDAY NIGHT, Jerusalem Time, 8:46PM: The Scriptures is a somewhat popular Messianic version of The Scriptures. It aims to be a literal translation of The Bible. MY impression is that The Institute Of Scripture Research,(who puts it out), are not Jewish. This is basically irrelevant to me, because my primary concern is how faithful a translation is to The Originals and what it conveys. I have had their 1998 version on my bookshelf for years now, and have found some Passages where I have found myself in disagreement with their renderings. However, since I do not believe it is right to isolate any one Scripture to come to the correct understanding, and knowing that there is no such thing as a perfect translation, I think I am having a feeling of esteeming this work more for this transalation. There are controversies over this work:

1) It is a "Sacred Name" version, meaning it uses The Tetragrammaton. Personally, I believe the replacement of "'Adonai" is not Scriptural, but I do believe in using The Tetragrammaton ONLY selectively and carefully.

2)The main rap on this work is that it supposedly "Goes overboard with its attempts to cleans it from paganism. Personally, I would rather they go overboard if this is true, than not to go far enough.

There is absolutely no place in this work where it Says people worshipped Yehoshua, or were Told they should. It Says they BOWED to Him, thus leaving it up to the reader exactly what this meant when they did this concerning its intent.*****What appeals to me here is that regardless of who worked on this work, it appears to be a work that is VERY CONSERVATIVE toward The Written Torah in how it interprets The NT,***** and I felt good about using it Ths past Shabbat. I am considering ordering its 2009 version in large print and pocket editions. For anyone interested to see for themselves, it can be downloaded for free at the link I am posting at the bottom of this, for the E-Sword Bible Program, and MAYBE as a PDF or other document,(I don't recall). Here is the link for anyone interested:

http://www.isr-messianic.org/

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Bruce
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Jul 31, 2010
 
Bruce wrote:
SUNDAY NIGHT, Jerusalem Time, 8:46PM: The There is absolutely no place in this work where it Says people worshipped Yehoshua, or were Told they should. It Says they BOWED to Him, thus leaving it up to the reader exactly what this meant when they did this concerning its intent.*****What appeals to me here is that regardless of who worked on this work, it appears to be a work that is VERY CONSERVATIVE toward The Written Torah in how it interprets The NT,***** and I felt good about using it Ths past Shabbat. I am considering ordering its 2009 version in large print and pocket editions. For anyone interested to see for themselves, it can be downloaded for free at the link I am posting at the bottom of this, for the E-Sword Bible Program, and MAYBE as a PDF or other document,(I don't recall). Here is the link for anyone interested:
http://www.isr-messianic.org/
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Bruce
If people were bowing to jsus, he should've corrected them. However, Paul takes it one step further is defining exactly who the people are bowing to, the christ, and by linking it to the verse in Isaiah, fully intends the reader to think the christ and god are one:
Romans 14:10But why dost thou judge thy brother? or why dost thou set at nought thy brother? for we shall all stand before the judgment seat of Christ.
11For it is written, As I live, saith the Lord, every knee shall bow to me, and every tongue shall confess to God.
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Paul misappropriated of a small portion of a verse 23 from Isaiah 45(standard operating procedure). If Isaiah 45 is read totally and in context, there is no man-god, only the ONE G-d of Israel, the Creator and Master of the universe.
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15 Truly you are a God who hides himself,
O God and Savior of Israel.
16 All the makers of idols will be put to shame and disgraced;
they will go off into disgrace together
17 But Israel will be saved by the LORD
with an everlasting salvation;
you will never be put to shame or disgraced,
to ages everlasting.
18 For this is what the LORD says—
he who created the heavens,
he is God;
he who fashioned and made the earth,
he founded it;
he did not create it to be empty,
but formed it to be inhabited—
he says:
"I am the LORD,
and there is no other.
19 I have not spoken in secret,
from somewhere in a land of darkness;
I have not said to Jacob's descendants,
'Seek me in vain.'
I, the LORD, speak the truth;
I declare what is right.
20 "Gather together and come;
assemble, you fugitives from the nations.
Ignorant are those who carry about idols of wood,
who pray to gods that cannot save.
21 Declare what is to be, present it—
let them take counsel together.
Who foretold this long ago,
who declared it from the distant past?
Was it not I, the LORD ?
And there is no God apart from me,
a righteous God and a Savior;
there is none but me.
22 "Turn to me and be saved,
all you ends of the earth;
for I am God, and there is no other.
23 By myself I have sworn,
my mouth has uttered in all integrity
a word that will not be revoked:
>>>>> Before me every knee will bow;
by me every tongue will swear. <<<<<<
24 They will say of me,'In the LORD alone
are righteousness and strength.' "
All who have raged against him
will come to him and be put to shame.
25 But in the LORD all the descendants of Israel
will be found righteous and will exult.
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Quite a different mind picture than the one painted by you and Paul.
Bruce

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Jul 31, 2010
 
It does not pay for me to attempt any scholary answers her to you, since you ignore them anyway, and this all seems like one big game to you.

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Bruce
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Jul 31, 2010
 
Bruce wrote:
It does not pay for me to attempt any scholary answers her to you, since you ignore them anyway, and this all seems like one big game to you.
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Bruce
As usual, when I present scriptures, just like the matthew-Hosea anamoly, you ignore or babble off on some tangent of YOUR opinion or interpretation, or revert to your usual attacks on me. I love it, you continue to prove your inability to truthfully support this religion you are promoting. Keep ignoring me like you do, and I will continue to repost scripture anomalies between Tanakh and the NT. Well, I will do that anyway, regardless if you respond or not. I prefer you just talk to yourself.
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Jul 31, 2010
 
If you are on prescription meds for this, I humbily suggest you continue taking them. If they give you side effects, then talk to him or her about it. They might be able to change it to something else. Also, there is talk and cognitive therapy if you need it. You can look online for other resources like these.

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Bruce
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Jul 31, 2010
 
Bruce wrote:
If you are on prescription meds for this, I humbily suggest you continue taking them. If they give you side effects, then talk to him or her about it. They might be able to change it to something else. Also, there is talk and cognitive therapy if you need it. You can look online for other resources like these.
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Bruce
Thanks for taking my advice. If talking to yourself helps, then perhaps you can cut back on the meds. Thanks for sharing.
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Jul 31, 2010
 
CHANA: Thanks for taking my advice. If talking to yourself helps, then perhaps you can cut back on the meds. Thanks for sharing.

BRUCE: I am being serious. Don't worry about any stigma on how mental disorders are looked upon. People who have such ideas are ignorant. If you need help, it would be tragic if you didn't get it. Please, for your own good, if you have a problem then please don't ignore it.

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Bruce
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Jul 31, 2010
 
ex-mess wrote:
<quoted text>As usual, when I present scriptures, just like the matthew-Hosea anamoly, you ignore or babble off on some tangent of YOUR opinion or interpretation, or revert to your usual attacks on me. I love it, you continue to prove your inability to truthfully support this religion you are promoting. Keep ignoring me like you do, and I will continue to repost scripture anomalies between Tanakh and the NT. Well, I will do that anyway, regardless if you respond or not. I prefer you just talk to yourself.
I appreciate that you are providing scripture, I think what Bruce is asking of you is that you present scripture to support your case. In this instance you are not using scriptures to support a case. You are trying to state that Paul took a verse out of context to support his case, and you are correct. Where you go off the rails is that rabbis are notorious for doing this. When the rabbis said the bar in barashit alludes to the divind son they were working out of context. Bottom line is that is standard proceedure when working with a SOD level of the scriptures.
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Jul 31, 2010
 
TO GRAHAM: I have tried to present well-thought out arguments from Scrpture, but especially lately, instead of her responding to my rebuttals, she merely re-postes here initial objection. I can't deal with that. So she is just talking to herself. A discussion is two ways, not one. There are other anti-missionaries here who at least I can have A TWO-WAY conversation with. For someone who is willing to respond to what you say, that, to me, is worth the time and effort to present a Scriptural argument.

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Bruce
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Aug 1, 2010
 
messianic114 wrote:
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I appreciate that you are providing scripture, I think what Bruce is asking of you is that you present scripture to support your case. In this instance you are not using scriptures to support a case. You are trying to state that Paul took a verse out of context to support his case, and you are correct. Where you go off the rails is that rabbis are notorious for doing this. When the rabbis said the bar in barashit alludes to the divind son they were working out of context. Bottom line is that is standard proceedure when working with a SOD level of the scriptures.
Bruce is not offering anything other than personal insults which bother me Not in the least, because it shows that he cannot deal with the prime example I gave above, so he falls back on his lame responses, or oblique lame responses to someone else. THere are hundreds of examples of Paul and Matthew and others in the NT that misuse the words of Tanakh for their own purpose. And Bruce is just as guilty of this.

I've presented just a handful, and all I got back is rambling multi-page garbage of Bruce's own interpretations, when all I've provided are the exact words of the Tanakh, and the exact words of the NT.
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Aug 1, 2010
 
As long as Chana is unwilling to stick to one issue and havee a give-and-take on one issue at a time, I see no point. Responding with either the same initial objection or posting antoher one before addressing a rebuttal makes no sense and seems to be from someone hysterically trying to prove something rather than rationally. This is not intended as an insult, but an honest opinion of what has been going on.

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Bruce
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Aug 2, 2010
 
I just purchased the 2009 editions of “The Scriptures”, by ISR. I purchased three types, one being a pocket edition. While I acknowledge there is value and need for Messianic translations like “The Orthodox Jewish Brit Chadasha, by Phil Goble, and The Complete Jewish Bible by David Stern, both of these translations seem to promote some traditons within’ Judaism which, at best, are questionable if they are Scriptural. By saying this, I am not trying to imply that anyone ought to be high-minded or disrespectful toward such Laws. However,“The Scriptures” aims at rooting out man-made traditions as well as paganism. Perhaps they go overboard, but I would rather have this be the case than the other way around. Without trying to convey that anyone else ought to feel the way I do, I have come to have experience a burn-out from virtually all of the “Christian” translations because I want to progress to a greater understanding of The Truth. It feels like to me as if I am being lead to the 2009 ISR version. I may not end up agreeing with every single rendering of a verse, but I can respect the intentions of its founders.

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Bruce
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Aug 4, 2010
 
PRAISE REPORT:

I just received my copies of the 2009 version of "The Scriptures" from ISR. I am sure glad I received them before Shabbat this week! I noted that the couple of Passages where I previously disagreed with their 1998 version were corrected! I see they also added a listing of the parashot (Torah portion) readings at the front, along with some other goodies. I look forward to prayerfully using this version. I believe that I will be enthusiastically endorsing this version after spending some time in it.

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Bruce
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Oct 21, 2011
 
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<quoted text>Bruce is not offering anything other than personal insults which bother me Not in the least, because it shows that he cannot deal with the prime example I gave above, so he falls back on his lame responses, or oblique lame responses to someone else. THere are hundreds of examples of Paul and Matthew and others in the NT that misuse the words of Tanakh for their own purpose. And Bruce is just as guilty of this.
I've presented just a handful, and all I got back is rambling multi-page garbage of Bruce's own interpretations, when all I've provided are the exact words of the Tanakh, and the exact words of the NT.
"Bruce is not offering anything other than personal insults "

THATS ALL THEY CAN DO

THEIR FOUNDATION IS NOT TRUE !
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Oct 21, 2011
 
http://www.halleluyahscriptures.com/support.p...

"The only printed Restored Name translation that's available for FREE to the poor. Based on the "The Scriptures" (1993) translation. REQUEST A COPY OR READ MORE ABOUT IT." http://www.eliyah.com/

Those who reject The Messiah fall into darkness and old error and never return.....nor are they able. Matt 12:43
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Oct 22, 2011
 
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POSTED SUNDAY NIGHT, 6:56PM Jerusalem Time:
EX MESS: Bruce is not offering anything other than personal insults which bother me Not in the least, because it shows that he cannot deal with the prime example I gave above, so he falls back on his lame responses, or oblique lame responses to someone else. THere are hundreds of examples of Paul and Matthew and others in the NT that misuse the words of Tanakh for their own purpose. And Bruce is just as guilty of this.
I've presented just a handful, and all I got back is rambling multi-page garbage of Bruce's own interpretations, when all I've provided are the exact words of the Tanakh, and the exact words of the NT.

G-dSECRET: THATS ALL THEY CAN DO

THEIR FOUNDATION IS NOT TRUE !
BRUCE: You have done here exactly what EXMess had done! You simply make accusations without any Scriptural support whatsoever. I have repeatedly, and am always willing to provide Scriptural support for anything I say. The Scriptures are my Foundation, and They are certainly TRUE.

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Bruce
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Oct 22, 2011
 
yon wrote:
Those who reject The Messiah fall into darkness and old error and never return.....nor are they able. Matt 12:43
I am not referring to Bruce

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