The Blessing Goes for J. or G.?

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Jan 16, 2013
 
MESSIANIC114 wrote:
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If G-d is not a man according to Nu 23:19, then he is a man according to:
Exo 15:3 The LORD is a man of war, The LORD is His name.
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But you assertion was that the blessing can only go to whom obeys the command. I showed you from scripture that both Esau and Jacob received blessing. Jacob in spite of obeying what he was not asked to do. Therefore on the same grounds the goyim will receive a blessing for doing what Israel was called to do and that is be a light to the nations.
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Yes, Esau got his blessing too, but to spiritually be subject to Jacob, while Jacob would be always at the head and never the tale.

God is not a man of war. The human pious attribution to God of Israel's achievement against other nations reveals only religious piety and not reality. Therefore, Numbers 23:19 remains that God is not like a man to be addressed to as having human attributes.

Have you ever heard about the Essenes? Their main Theology was the
struggle between the children of light (the Jews) and the children
of darkness.(The Gentiles) How can darkness be light to the Gentiles? It would be darkness to darkness. Isaiah says that the Gentiles must look toward Zion where the light or Word of God is supposed to come from.(Isa. 2:2,3) Or Zechariah 8:23 where we read that the Gentiles must reach for the garment of the Jews and beg to join them because they have finally acknowledged that the Lord is with the us.

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Jan 16, 2013
 
MESSIANIC114 wrote:
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The explanation of these scriptures has nothing to do with "preconceived notions" but the teachings of the sages such as: Great and dignified names which have been given to Israel have also been bestowed on other nations, such as 'Congregation,''mighty,''wise, ''perfect,' and 'righteous.' Levit. Rabba 5.
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And: Judaism maintains that the righteous of all nations have a place in the world to come. This has been the majority rule since the days of the Talmud. Judaism generally recognizes that Christians and Moslems worship the same G-d that we do and those who follow the tenets of their religions can be considered righteous in the eyes of G-d.
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If you don't preach the Truth from the Jewish Scriptures according to Judaism, it is because you speak according to preconceived notions. But what has been given to Israel must be communicated according to Israel and not a foreign religion.

Yes, I agree that the righteous of all nations have a place in the world to come. BTW, not only the righteous but all sinners too. Why? Because the world to come is the world of the grave where we all are heading to. Like any other Christian, you must be operating under the illusion of heaven or hell.

If Christians and Muslims are to worship the same God that we do, they must join the Covenant the Lord made with us (Isaac) through Abraham. The Lord did promise to bless Ishmael, "BUT", said He, My covenant is with Isaac and not with Ishmael.(Gen. 17:21) Therefore, the real "blessing" does not go for G but for J. G must join J to get it.

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Jan 17, 2013
 
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Yes, Esau got his blessing too, but to spiritually be subject to Jacob, while Jacob would be always at the head and never the tale.
God is not a man of war. The human pious attribution to God of Israel's achievement against other nations reveals only religious piety and not reality. Therefore, Numbers 23:19 remains that God is not like a man to be addressed to as having human attributes.
Have you ever heard about the Essenes? Their main Theology was the
struggle between the children of light (the Jews) and the children
of darkness.(The Gentiles) How can darkness be light to the Gentiles? It would be darkness to darkness. Isaiah says that the Gentiles must look toward Zion where the light or Word of God is supposed to come from.(Isa. 2:2,3) Or Zechariah 8:23 where we read that the Gentiles must reach for the garment of the Jews and beg to join them because they have finally acknowledged that the Lord is with the us.
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We can see from history that Esau has been the head and is to this day. The midrash tells us that Jacob deferred the majority of his blessing until the latter days as he believed they would need them in the time of Jacob's trouble.
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So by your own admission the son who was not asked still got the blessing, which is contrary to your opening statement.
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Your statement about the source of blessings for the Gentiles is not germain to the argument and I do not argue that the vessel G-d used to bring about this blessing was from the Jews (Yeshua as the son of man and the son of David). Jews brought the message of G-d's salvation to the world and are still proclaiming Yeshua as the Messiah.

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Jan 19, 2013
 
MESSIANIC114 wrote:
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We can see from history that Esau has been the head and is to this day. The midrash tells us that Jacob deferred the majority of his blessing until the latter days as he believed they would need them in the time of Jacob's trouble.
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So by your own admission the son who was not asked still got the blessing, which is contrary to your opening statement.
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Your statement about the source of blessings for the Gentiles is not germain to the argument and I do not argue that the vessel G-d used to bring about this blessing was from the Jews (Yeshua as the son of man and the son of David). Jews brought the message of G-d's salvation to the world and are still proclaiming Yeshua as the Messiah.
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Nothing that you say above is according to the Scriptures. According to History or according to midrashim is not the same as according to the Scriptures. When Jesus said that salvation comes from the Jews, he said "from the Jews" and not from one among the Jews.(John 4:22)

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Jan 19, 2013
 
Ben_Masada wrote:
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Nothing that you say above is according to the Scriptures. According to History or according to midrashim is not the same as according to the Scriptures. When Jesus said that salvation comes from the Jews, he said "from the Jews" and not from one among the Jews.(John 4:22)
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You didn't quote a scripture, you quoted the N.T.
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Are you telling us now that the N.T. is scripture.
Just another evidence you are not a Jew.

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Jan 21, 2013
 
MESSIANIC114 wrote:
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If G-d is not a man according to Nu 23:19, then he is a man according to:
Exo 15:3 The LORD is a man of war, The LORD is His name.
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But you assertion was that the blessing can only go to whom obeys the command. I showed you from scripture that both Esau and Jacob received blessing. Jacob in spite of obeying what he was not asked to do. Therefore on the same grounds the goyim will receive a blessing for doing what Israel was called to do and that is be a light to the nations.
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Jacob was obeyng the command of his mother. She was the one who told him to disguise himself to get the blessing of the firstborn. Jacob himself was too meek to act alone.(Gen. 27:5-13)

The Gentiles cannot serve as light of the nations when they don't have the light which is the Truth of God. Unless they get it from Israel whom the light was given to according to Psalm 147:19,20.

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Jan 21, 2013
 
MESSIANIC114 wrote:
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You didn't quote a scripture, you quoted the N.T.
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Are you telling us now that the N.T. is scripture.
Just another evidence you are not a Jew.
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Is the NT scripture for you or not? I am quoting the Christian scripture. BTW, I do accept and believe in 20% of everything that said about and by Jesus. The other 80% is made out of anti-Jewish interpolations with the intent to promote the Pauline policy of Replacement Theology. Does that make sense to you now?

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Jan 21, 2013
 
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Jacob was obeyng the command of his mother. She was the one who told him to disguise himself to get the blessing of the firstborn. Jacob himself was too meek to act alone.(Gen. 27:5-13)
The Gentiles cannot serve as light of the nations when they don't have the light which is the Truth of God. Unless they get it from Israel whom the light was given to according to Psalm 147:19,20.
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It was you assertion that the blessing cannot go to the one not commanded. Now you are trying to dance around saying His mother commanded. Well based upon that line of reasoning the Gentiles can receive the blessing because someone else commanded them to steal it by deceit.
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Secondly the Gentiles have the light because faithful Jews have passed it on to them.

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Jan 25, 2013
 
MESSIANIC114 wrote:
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It was you assertion that the blessing cannot go to the one not commanded. Now you are trying to dance around saying His mother commanded. Well based upon that line of reasoning the Gentiles can receive the blessing because someone else commanded them to steal it by deceit.
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Secondly the Gentiles have the light because faithful Jews have passed it on to them.
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I wrote that thread as an allegory that has nothing to do with the case of Jacob and Esau. Gosh, you are hard to get through!

Faithful Jews would never teach the idolatry of the Trinity neither
the myth of the demigod which is the son of a god with an earthly woman.

Anyone can see how little you are aware of Jewish Monotheism.

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