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Shunning insurance, Mennonite sect relies on community

There are 54 comments on the Public Opinion story from Mar 24, 2010, titled Shunning insurance, Mennonite sect relies on community. In it, Public Opinion reports that:

While most people would turn to an insurance company for assistance after a serious car accident, Mennonites rely on the generosity of their communities.

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amanda

York Springs, PA

#1 Mar 24, 2010
While I do think insurance is necessary, especially in a case like this, I love their attitudes for each other. Wether or not they are family by blood, they are there, ready and willing to do all they can to help one another. We as a society are so caught up in our own lives and obsessed with celebrities and such, and they most of us wouldn't even think about helping someone else in this way. I wish the world was a more loving and caring place. Perhaps we should start to pick up some habits from our local Mennonite families.
Dan

Chambersburg, PA

#2 Mar 24, 2010
It is not a habit you pickup. It is a lifestile you live through Christ
Lostie

Newville, PA

#3 Mar 24, 2010
I understand and respect their beliefs, but if they want to use modern medical facilities they should be aware of the costs without insurance. Maybe they (the community) can afford the bills. I don't know. I wish the family a speedy recovery!

On a side note though, does anyone know if they will be "required by law" to purchase insurance under this new Obama law like everyone else?
skype

Carlisle, PA

#4 Mar 24, 2010
Lostie wrote:
I understand and respect their beliefs, but if they want to use modern medical facilities they should be aware of the costs without insurance. Maybe they (the community) can afford the bills. I don't know. I wish the family a speedy recovery!
On a side note though, does anyone know if they will be "required by law" to purchase insurance under this new Obama law like everyone else?
They do understand the costs. Instead of paying a pastor to preach they tithe money into a special medical emergency account. It is not uncommon for a member of the church to show up at the hospital with a briefcase containing 25,000 cash to pay a medical bill.
So to answer your question, yes, they can afford it.
Dan

Chambersburg, PA

#5 Mar 24, 2010
Lostie wrote:
I understand and respect their beliefs, but if they want to use modern medical facilities they should be aware of the costs without insurance. Maybe they (the community) can afford the bills. I don't know. I wish the family a speedy recovery!
On a side note though, does anyone know if they will be "required by law" to purchase insurance under this new Obama law like everyone else?
They understand the cost more than people with insurance.
Friend

Philadelphia, PA

#6 Mar 24, 2010
According to a CNN article, "There also are exemptions for ... people objecting on recognized religious grounds..."
So who/what defines "recognized"?
George

Woodbridge, VA

#7 Mar 24, 2010
Lostie, my neighbor's son belongs to the Old River Brethern Mennonites, and the 2 children they have were supposed to have been delivered at home by a midwife, and that's how they intend to do with the one that's on the way. They don't use much modern medical facilities; the kids don't get regular checkups and have never had any of their shots. Their cows get more medical attention than their kids.

They did have to use a hospital for both children, but their church helped them with the bill and they have to pay the church back. One child has problems and is now receiving a good deal of medical attention; I'm not sure who is paying for that. I downloaded the application for CHIP and sent it to them; hopefully they are using that.

And before anybody complains about having to pay for health care for them, consider that it is for 2 sweet little girls (3 and 1), and that the 3 year-old has lots of problems. I would much rather my tax money go to helping those 2 girls than some of the others it goes to helping.
thanks for the idea

Chambersburg, PA

#8 Mar 24, 2010
WOW..then alot of us are quickly going to turn into Mennonites in 2014 instead of paying the stupid fine!

“ONE LOVE...ONE HORSE”

Since: Dec 07

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#9 Mar 24, 2010
amanda wrote:
I love their attitudes for each other. Wether or not they are family by blood, they are there, ready and willing to do all they can to help one another.
Isnt that what having universal health care is all about?
George

Woodbridge, VA

#10 Mar 24, 2010
thanks for the idea wrote:
WOW..then alot of us are quickly going to turn into Mennonites in 2014 instead of paying the stupid fine!
THAT would be a sight; I don't see it happening.

“ONE LOVE...ONE HORSE”

Since: Dec 07

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#11 Mar 24, 2010
Friend wrote:
According to a CNN article, "There also are exemptions for ... people objecting on recognized religious grounds..."
So who/what defines "recognized"?
Recognized, in this case, means "defined" or "with previous precedent"

As in quakers, amish, etc, who have been exempted from various laws on religious grounds.

So - no one decides...it's already decided.
Elizabeth

Woodbridge, VA

#12 Mar 24, 2010
They are choosing to help each other, not being forced to do so by their government. Would you feel more loved if someone was forced to take care of you (hand you money for care), or chose to do it because they truly cared and loved you. Having universal health care is actually about not caring. It makes people feel like they care because their tax money is being used to take care of someone else, when they actually don't have to care for their neighbor. The mennonites have it right-they are actually caring for each other. They are also being fiscally responsible with their money. So, no, it's nothing like universal health care.

“ONE LOVE...ONE HORSE”

Since: Dec 07

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#13 Mar 24, 2010
skype wrote:
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They do understand the costs. Instead of paying a pastor to preach they tithe money into a special medical emergency account. It is not uncommon for a member of the church to show up at the hospital with a briefcase containing 25,000 cash to pay a medical bill.
So to answer your question, yes, they can afford it.
Ok - so economically, they've cut out the middle man and have "universal care" for their flock. It's still more of less an "insurance" plan...coloring it in with religion provides little contrast. I assume the church keeps its money in a bank earning at least savings account interest.

Tithe = Tax

Sounds like this sect has re-invented the wheel...or beat Obama to the punch.
Elizabeth

Woodbridge, VA

#14 Mar 24, 2010
They do have insurance, it's just not what we typically define as insurance. They choose to pay into a fund and then those funds are used when someone needs care.

“ONE LOVE...ONE HORSE”

Since: Dec 07

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#15 Mar 24, 2010
Elizabeth wrote:
They do have insurance, it's just not what we typically define as insurance. They choose to pay into a fund and then those funds are used when someone needs care.
That sounds EXACTLY like insurance to me.

They still have people to administer the funds, make decisions, be accountable, etc.

It just doesn't sound that different...it sounds more like small-scale "Obama-care"
why not

Chicago, IL

#16 Mar 24, 2010
I don't understand why anyone driving a car on the road has to have a valid drivers license, insurance and registration yet the Amish get to drive on the road and don't have to acquire any of this. I feel there needs to be some resolution for the Amish driving buggies on the highways and that they must obtain certian credentials to operate.

Since: May 09

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#17 Mar 24, 2010
Elizabeth wrote:
They do have insurance, it's just not what we typically define as insurance. They choose to pay into a fund and then those funds are used when someone needs care.
Actually - what you're describing is Socialism.

Since: May 09

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#18 Mar 24, 2010
I mean, everyone does realize that this is what the article is saying - that instead of relying on health insurance, a for-profit institution in Capitalist America - the Mennonites instead rely on other people's money in their community. It's not subsidized by the government and it's not about increasing shareholder wealth. It means that in their community, you pay to ensure everyone has something and all resources are shared.

Hmmmmm
Dan the Man

Abington, PA

#19 Mar 24, 2010
Effington wrote:
I mean, everyone does realize that this is what the article is saying - that instead of relying on health insurance, a for-profit institution in Capitalist America - the Mennonites instead rely on other people's money in their community. It's not subsidized by the government and it's not about increasing shareholder wealth. It means that in their community, you pay to ensure everyone has something and all resources are shared.
Hmmmmm
Socialism is straight from the Bible.

"All the believers were together and had everything in common. Selling their possessions and goods, they gave to anyone as he had need."

"All the believers were one in heart and mind. No one claimed that any of his possessions was his own, but they shared everything they had. With great power the apostles continued to testify to the resurrection of the Lord Jesus, and much grace was upon them all. There were no needy persons among them. For from time to time those who owned lands or houses sold them, brought the money from the sales and put it at the apostles' feet, and it was distributed to anyone as he had need."

I respect any group that takes the Bible this seriously. Not many Christians take the Bible that seriously, do they?

Since: May 09

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#20 Mar 24, 2010
Dan the Man wrote:
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I respect any group that takes the Bible this seriously. Not many Christians take the Bible that seriously, do they?
Only when it fits their political agenda - not when it contradicts it. Or when it contradicts itself for that matter.

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