Extreme Shunning

Aug 2, 2013 Full story: Gilmer Mirror 88

"Really, what your beloved family member needs to see is your resolute stance to put Jehovah above everything else - including the family bond," warns the magazine on page 16, before asserting, "Do not look for excuses to associate with a disfellowshipped family member, for example, through e-mail."

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elwood

Ladson, SC

#2 Aug 3, 2013
Typical JW stuff.

In their poor little minds they think their organization is the visible representation of God Himself and therefore, leaving this organization is the same as leaving God.

Will this ever change? Probably someday when this shunning policy gets too expensive for them not to change it.

At last they don't burn them at the stake like what went on in the good old days although I'm sure they would if they could.
Lol

United States

#3 Aug 3, 2013
elwood wrote:
Typical JW stuff.
In their poor little minds they think their organization is the visible representation of God Himself and therefore, leaving this organization is the same as leaving God.
Will this ever change? Probably someday when this shunning policy gets too expensive for them not to change it.
At last they don't burn them at the stake like what went on in the good old days although I'm sure they would if they could.
I think some here have mentioned that it's a shame that stoning went away with the old testament...

Since: Jan 12

Location hidden

#4 Aug 4, 2013
There is only one sin that merits shunning on the level JWs practice.

That sin is mentioned in the book of 2 John. In verse 3, those that deny Jesus came in the flesh and that he is the Christ are to be shunned, for they are the anti-Christ.

It was the teaching of Jesus being the Messiah that was so important that anyone denying it were shunned.
Such people were not to receive a greeting or invited into your homes.

This is the only sin that merits such extreme social treatment.

All other sinners were to be admonished (encouraged) and attended to like Jesus did when he ate with sinners and not 'treated like an enemy." (2 Thes 3:15)

When the Pharisees tried to rebuke him from eating with sinners, Jesus said, "It is not the healthy who need a doctor, but the sick. I have not come to call the righteous, but sinners.
True Christian witness

Bartlesville, OK

#5 Aug 4, 2013
The Bible teaches that those who are ungodly and unrepentant should be removed from the Christian Congregation, and they should not be associated with or talked to until they repent and get reinstated into the congregation.

That is the direction of Jehovah God's word to his people who claim to love and obey Him. If you cannot accept the fact that the true Christian congregation today is Jehovah's witnesses, that is not our problem.
1Corinthians 5:11-13
elwood

Ladson, SC

#6 Aug 4, 2013
True Christian witness wrote:
...If you cannot accept the fact that the true Christian congregation today is Jehovah's witnesses, that is not our problem...
How did you get this "fact"?.

Since: Jan 09

Location hidden

#7 Aug 4, 2013
True Christian witness wrote:
The Bible teaches that those who are ungodly and unrepentant should be removed from the Christian Congregation, and they should not be associated with or talked to until they repent and get reinstated into the congregation.
That is the direction of Jehovah God's word to his people who claim to love and obey Him. If you cannot accept the fact that the true Christian congregation today is Jehovah's witnesses, that is not our problem.
1Corinthians 5:11-13
I've noticed that you use "Christian witness" in your handle, TCW. Are you affiliated with the Jehovah's Christian Witnesses? I think they are still in Seattle. The mainline JW rank and file were told not to use the term Jehovah's Christian Witnesses to avoid confusion with the schismatic JCWs. So are you a mainliner or a schismatic, TCW?
True Christian witness

Bartlesville, OK

#8 Aug 5, 2013
elwood wrote:
<quoted text>
How did you get this "fact"?.
Jehovah's witnesses are living proof that God has a people on this earth.

What other religion has 8 million people all united in a brotherhood, all trying to live according to the standard and principles of the Bible, none. John 17:3

Only Jehovah's witnesses have Almighty God Jehovah's approval, and only these people are preaching and telling the good news of God's Kingdom with Jesus ruling as King in heaven today. Only these people are warning people of the end of this world, since 1914. Only these people can direct you to Jehovah God and your personal relationship with him, Jesus Christ as King is directing this work with his angels, and we are deep in the harvest. Matthew 13:40-43

Only Jehovah's witnesses can show you from your Bible how to survive the end of this world, but Jesus said only the meek and humble will listen and obey his requirements. John 3:36 Matthew 5:5
elwood

Ladson, SC

#9 Aug 5, 2013
True Christian witness wrote:
<quoted text>
Jehovah's witnesses are living proof that God has a people on this earth.
What other religion has 8 million people all united in a brotherhood, all trying to live according to the standard and principles of the Bible, none. John 17:3
Only Jehovah's witnesses have Almighty God Jehovah's approval, and only these people are preaching and telling the good news of God's Kingdom with Jesus ruling as King in heaven today. Only these people are warning people of the end of this world, since 1914. Only these people can direct you to Jehovah God and your personal relationship with him, Jesus Christ as King is directing this work with his angels, and we are deep in the harvest. Matthew 13:40-43
Only Jehovah's witnesses can show you from your Bible how to survive the end of this world, but Jesus said only the meek and humble will listen and obey his requirements. John 3:36 Matthew 5:5
This is just the same old tired and lame Watchtower/JW sales pitch.

Where are your facts that the Jehovah Witnesses are (Jehovah) God's (only) people?
Remnant143999

Albuquerque, NM

#10 Aug 5, 2013
Arkham Bravo wrote:
There is only one sin that merits shunning on the level JWs practice.
That sin is mentioned in the book of 2 John. In verse 3, those that deny Jesus came in the flesh and that he is the Christ are to be shunned, for they are the anti-Christ.
It was the teaching of Jesus being the Messiah that was so important that anyone denying it were shunned.
Such people were not to receive a greeting or invited into your homes.
This is the only sin that merits such extreme social treatment.
All other sinners were to be admonished (encouraged) and attended to like Jesus did when he ate with sinners and not 'treated like an enemy." (2 Thes 3:15)
When the Pharisees tried to rebuke him from eating with sinners, Jesus said, "It is not the healthy who need a doctor, but the sick. I have not come to call the righteous, but sinners.
So, you are saying to shun over 5 billion humans on this earth that deny Jesus is the Messiah,and only jw's have the truth?
Honesty

Miami, FL

#11 Aug 5, 2013
Don't listen to arkham-dumbass he is an ape and a fraud
FutureMan

Gympie, Australia

#12 Aug 5, 2013
True Christian witness wrote:
The Bible teaches that those who are ungodly and unrepentant should be removed from the Christian Congregation, and they should not be associated with or talked to until they repent and get reinstated into the congregation.
That is the direction of Jehovah God's word to his people who claim to love and obey Him. If you cannot accept the fact that the true Christian congregation today is Jehovah's witnesses, that is not our problem.
1Corinthians 5:11-13
This is a blanket statement and you know it.

This is not a direct word from God, but words attributed to the apostles that are presumed by Christians today to be God's inspired word.

That fact is that yes I do believe that we do need to have a creed or a guideline that like minded ones adhere to for the sake of unity, and when ones do not go by this creed any longer than they can be excluded from the group who have all come to accept a certain creed within the frame work of acceptable worship to God as taught by Jesus (Joshua) himself.

And hence association with these ones would naturally be in a limited since they are no longer part of this group who worship God in a certain way, as like minded ones will stick together.

As a scripture stated, "bad association spoils useful habits" or at least that is the gist of this scripture.

However even these ones who are excluded from the group, they should not be treated as an enemy combatant as one whom would be hated or as "mentally diseased", but as ones who are "not of their sort" as is stated in the scriptures.

Jesus severely chastised the pharisees as these ones had apostatized from the true teachings of God, but still he would continue to communicate with them, even share a meal with them on odd occasions not for fellowship, but to try and restore them to the correct way of thinking as to worship of God and restore them to repentance from there corrupt and controlling actions.

Jesus also shared a meal with ones who were considered to be the worse of sinners, not to associate with them as for fellowship, but to counsel and teach them and lead them to repentance.

As to the ones who are kicked out of our group, how are we to bring these ones back to repentance if we do not communicate with them and counsel them?

Extreme shunning, or the the silent treatment particularly in the family setting will not do it, that is simply foolishness and is not the way of mercy and love.

However discernment needs to be exercised on an individual basis as to how much communication would be had with any individual who are considered not to be a worshiper of God, or no longer worship God as you understand worship to God should be.

It should not be the prerogative of any sect or religion or an organization to dictate whom one is going to associate with or communicate with, but only to give advise and counsel in this regards.
Remnant143999

Albuquerque, NM

#13 Aug 5, 2013
Are jw kingdom halls a museum of saints or a hospital for the spiritually sick?

Since: Jan 12

Location hidden

#14 Aug 5, 2013
Remnant143999 wrote:
<quoted text>So, you are saying to shun over 5 billion humans on this earth that deny Jesus is the Messiah,and only jw's have the truth?
If we are just dealing with what John wrote, opinions aside, John said that the anti-christ was not be greeted, or invited into study with them. But this was not the way all offenses were to be handled.

But having to come to a congregation meeting of friends several times per week and sit in the corner of shame for all to see, unable to say a word to those who they may still feel are their friends is extreme. Not allowing your own daughter into the home you raised her in because she in no longer a JW is extreme! This is cult behavior.

We are not in the first century anymore! However, the autocratic and legalistic beast know as the WTBS has seized a weapon of control and has used it to rip apart families and friendships all over the world to control its members.

When you see a JW, you are not seeing the real person!
Justin

Sebastopol, CA

#15 Aug 5, 2013
Remnant143999 wrote:
Are jw kingdom halls a museum of saints or a hospital for the spiritually sick?
More like the morgue for the spiritually dead.
sonny

Suva, Fiji

#16 Aug 5, 2013
60 yrs ago the society condemned other churches for practicing shunning they even called it unbiblical.

Now they claim that shunning is biblical, who knows may be 6o yrs time society might change their minds again.
Lol

Auburn, CA

#17 Aug 5, 2013
True Christian witness wrote:
<quoted text>
Jehovah's witnesses are living proof that God has a people on this earth.
What other religion has 8 million people all united in a brotherhood, all trying to live according to the standard and principles of the Bible, none. John 17:3
Only Jehovah's witnesses have Almighty God Jehovah's approval, and only these people are preaching and telling the good news of God's Kingdom with Jesus ruling as King in heaven today. Only these people are warning people of the end of this world, since 1914. Only these people can direct you to Jehovah God and your personal relationship with him, Jesus Christ as King is directing this work with his angels, and we are deep in the harvest. Matthew 13:40-43
Only Jehovah's witnesses can show you from your Bible how to survive the end of this world, but Jesus said only the meek and humble will listen and obey his requirements. John 3:36 Matthew 5:5
NONE of what you say is backed up by the scriptures you quote. It's all just PR talk given to you by your "betters".

Can you prove that all JW's worldwide are united in their beliefs? How? Because "THEY say so"?

Anyone choosing to learn from the bible doesn't need a JW to teach them anything, the bible is all inclusive and needs no "help" from publications printed by a publishing company who's main goal is to distribute as many pieces of literature as possible with no concern about whether what they say will be true in 6 months or not. Thanks for playing.
Remnant143999

Albuquerque, NM

#18 Aug 6, 2013
Justin wrote:
<quoted text>
More like the morgue for the spiritually dead.
Most excellent!!

Since: Feb 07

RI

#19 Aug 6, 2013
True Christian witness wrote:
The Bible teaches that those who are ungodly and unrepentant should be removed from the Christian Congregation, and they should not be associated with or talked to until they repent and get reinstated into the congregation.
That is the direction of Jehovah God's word to his people who claim to love and obey Him. If you cannot accept the fact that the true Christian congregation today is Jehovah's witnesses, that is not our problem.
1Corinthians 5:11-13
So, the "ungodly" and "unrepentant" JW who accepted an organ transplant when the WTS condemned organ transplants and who was disfellowshipped, was to be shunned until he "repented" of a "sin" that the WTS shortly thereafter declared was NOT a sin at all?

How does that work?
elwood

Ladson, SC

#20 Aug 6, 2013
RedhorseWoman wrote:
<quoted text>
So, the "ungodly" and "unrepentant" JW who accepted an organ transplant when the WTS condemned organ transplants and who was disfellowshipped, was to be shunned until he "repented" of a "sin" that the WTS shortly thereafter declared was NOT a sin at all?
How does that work?
Here is how it works...

The Watchtower simply prints up some new crap to supercede old crap and tells the JWs to just believe it.
The JWs nod their heads when it is read at the KH.

Pretty simple really.
sonny

Suva, Fiji

#21 Aug 6, 2013
elwood wrote:
<quoted text>
Here is how it works...
The Watchtower simply prints up some new crap to supercede old crap and tells the JWs to just believe it.
The JWs nod their heads when it is read at the KH.
Pretty simple really.
Hahahahah

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