Why we need church/state separation

Why we need church/state separation

There are 10 comments on the The York Daily Record story from Aug 18, 2010, titled Why we need church/state separation. In it, The York Daily Record reports that:

Many people, including Geraldine Trust , don't understand why the founding fathers set up a separation of church and state.

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Chris Hutton

York, PA

#1 Aug 18, 2010
Amen!
George

Greenwood, DE

#2 Aug 18, 2010
A very good letter!5447

Since: Oct 07

Bawlmer

#3 Aug 19, 2010
Let's clarify something here: Prayer was NEVER banned in school; individuals are free to pray.

COMPULSORY, school staff-led prayer, however, was rightly prohibited as it denied the freedom of religion of students of other faiths.

This is an important distinction the right wing ignores in order to get its followers in an indignant frenzy.
ussurf

York, PA

#4 Aug 19, 2010
Great article,simple and logical.Thanks
Mayor McCheese

Mount Laurel, NJ

#5 Aug 19, 2010
Wow, Turk, your first sentence tells all that you are the one who doesn't understand our founding fathers. That old line has been repeated so often it is accepted as fact. I believe that is what is called a factoid. A lie repeated so often it is accepted as the truth. Hitler was good at this.

Since: Oct 07

Bawlmer

#6 Aug 23, 2010
Mayor McCheese wrote:
Wow, Turk, your first sentence tells all that you are the one who doesn't understand our founding fathers. That old line has been repeated so often it is accepted as fact. I believe that is what is called a factoid. A lie repeated so often it is accepted as the truth. Hitler was good at this.
Actually, YOU are the one who doesn't have a clue. Essentially, you're calling the Founders liars.

Like this one, James Madison, who was merely the primary author of the Constitution and Bill of Rights:

"Every new and successful example, therefore, of a perfect separation between the ecclesiastical and civil matters, is of importance; and I have no doubt that every new example will succeed, as every past one has done, in showing that religion and Government will both exist in greater purity the less they are mixed together" (Letter to Edward Livingston, July 10, 1822).

"The civil Government, though bereft of everything like an associated hierarchy, possesses the requisite stability, and performs its functions with complete success, whilst the number, the industry, and the morality of the priesthood, and the devotion of the people, have been manifestly increased by the total separation of the church from the State" (Letter to Robert Walsh, Mar. 2, 1819)

Note that phrase: "total separation of the church from the State". Your lie is unmasked; separation of church and state is a FACT.
Mayor McCheese

York, PA

#7 Aug 24, 2010
aveteran wrote:
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Actually, YOU are the one who doesn't have a clue. Essentially, you're calling the Founders liars.
Like this one, James Madison, who was merely the primary author of the Constitution and Bill of Rights:
"Every new and successful example, therefore, of a perfect separation between the ecclesiastical and civil matters, is of importance; and I have no doubt that every new example will succeed, as every past one has done, in showing that religion and Government will both exist in greater purity the less they are mixed together" (Letter to Edward Livingston, July 10, 1822).
"The civil Government, though bereft of everything like an associated hierarchy, possesses the requisite stability, and performs its functions with complete success, whilst the number, the industry, and the morality of the priesthood, and the devotion of the people, have been manifestly increased by the total separation of the church from the State" (Letter to Robert Walsh, Mar. 2, 1819)
Note that phrase: "total separation of the church from the State". Your lie is unmasked; separation of church and state is a FACT.
What was written in letters do not constitute law. Those words, or anything like those words do not appear in the Constitution. And there was never any effort to discriminate against Christianity until the 1960's, so apparently what we were doing back in the early years of the country were fine with our founders.
Say No To Baby Factories

Jersey Shore, PA

#8 Aug 24, 2010
"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances".

The first amendment to the Constitution says it all. Broken down into laymans terms, it states the government will not force religion on anyone nor will it support any religion. You buy=bull thumpers need to learn how to read and quit believing every stupid fairy tale thrown at you.

Since: Oct 07

Bawlmer

#9 Aug 25, 2010
Mayor McCheese wrote:
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What was written in letters do not constitute law. Those words, or anything like those words do not appear in the Constitution. And there was never any effort to discriminate against Christianity until the 1960's, so apparently what we were doing back in the early years of the country were fine with our founders.
You also won't find "God", "Jesus", or "Christian nation" in the Constitution. What's your point? Since you know SOOOO much better than the man who wrote it.... NOT.

Decades ago, battling illegal Christian privilege (or just being black) could get you killed by the slack-jawed yokels. Things have changed for the better.
pretty pretty pretty

York, PA

#10 Aug 25, 2010
Why because you have some people that just will not give up with trying to make change in everything. but mine there own business like they should this would make the whole world a better place if some of us could just live by the rules and not try to change everything.

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