The Mormonizing of America

Nov 12, 2012 Full story: Deseret News 120

In this piece from the Huffington Post, Stephen Mansfield describes how Mormons have become prominent in American society and why Americans seem intrigued by the Mormon faith.

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#2 Nov 13, 2012
fedupwiththemess wrote:
Oh hell no!!!! Mormons are members of a cult. They believe and do as their prophet says. Not what GOD says. They have made up their own book of mormon. Not the bible.
Thanks for bringing this article to my attention. However, I don't quite agree with your comments. What is your source for the information upon which you based your opinion?

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#3 Nov 13, 2012
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#5 Nov 14, 2012
The Mormon Cult of Darkness is not just foreign to the American value system. It is also a frontal attack on the legacy of Joseph Smith:

http://mcxbeehive.blogspot.com/2012/11/mormon...
JohnDleeDiedForB YsSins

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#9 Jan 23, 2013
What Mark Twain had to say about the book of mormon.

From Mark Twain’s “Roughing It”:

"The book seems to be merely a prosy detail of imaginary history, with the Old Testament for a model; followed by a tedious plagiarism of the New Testament.

The author labored to give his words and phrases the quaint, old-fashioned sound and structure of our King James’s translation of the Scriptures; and the result is a mongrel — half modern glibness, and half ancient simplicity and gravity. The latter is awkward and constrained; the former natural, but grotesque by the contrast.

Whenever he found his speech growing too modern — which was about every sentence or two — he ladled in a few such Scriptural phrases as “exceeding sore,”“and it came to pass,” etc., and made things satisfactory again.“And it came to pass” was his pet. If he had left that out, his Bible would have been only a pamphlet."

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#11 Jan 25, 2013
fedupwiththemess wrote:
<quoted text>Do you find the book of mormon in the bible? The bible is GOD's word to man to live by.
Ahhh, but you complicate your own point and don't see it. Christians believe the Bible to be the word of God. Christians also believe they have the right to judge who's a Christian and who isn't a Christian and if the judged one has a right to believe in the Bible or not.
So Christians like yourself have turned yourself into a god and jury, making judgements of others God said were his duty to judge, not your's. But of course you'll disagree and claim God shares his right to judge people with you huh :)
Also, only Christians believe the Bible is the word of God. Jews will disagree and claim the NT isn't the word of God and is the work of men wanting to position themselves as false prophets of God to deceive the very elect.
What you need to do to prove your point, is proving somehow that all the things that God ever had to say or will ever have to say to his children, is contained in a book with a beginning and an ending some 1700 years ago. Can you do that?

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#12 Jan 25, 2013
JohnDleeDiedForBYsSins wrote:
What Mark Twain had to say about the book of mormon.
You left out some things Twain said :)

Some people have to have a world of evidence before they can come anywhere in the neighborhood of believing anything; but for me, when a man tells me that he has "seen the engravings which are upon the plates," and not only that, but an angel was there at the time, and saw him see them, and probably took his receipt for it, I am very far on the road to conviction, no matter whether I ever heard of that man before or not, and even if I do not know the name of the angel, or his nationality either.
..
And when I am far on the road to conviction, and eight men, be they grammatical or otherwise, come forward and tell me that they have seen the plates too; and not only seen those plates but "hefted" them, I am convinced. I could not feel more satisfied and at rest if the entire Whitmer family had testified.
JohnDleeDiedForB YsSins

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#13 Jan 26, 2013
You do understand that Mark Twain was being satirical in what you have quoted? You really should read the whole book. You can download it here for free http://www.gutenberg.org/files/3177/3177-h/31...

But He wasn't being satirical at all here from the same book, Roughing It:

"THE MOUNTAIN MEADOWS MASSACRE.

The persecutions which the Mormons suffered so long—and which they consider they still suffer in not being allowed to govern themselves—they have endeavored and are still endeavoring to repay.

The now almost forgotten "Mountain Meadows massacre" was their work. It was very famous in its day. The whole United States rang with its horrors.

A few items will refresh the reader's memory. A great emigrant train from Missouri and Arkansas passed through Salt Lake City and a few disaffected Mormons joined it for the sake of the strong protection it afforded for their escape.

In that matter lay sufficient cause for hot retaliation by the Mormon chiefs. Besides, these one hundred and forty-five or one hundred and fifty unsuspecting emigrants being in part from Arkansas, where a noted Mormon missionary had lately been killed, and in part from Missouri, a State remembered with execrations as a bitter persecutor of the saints when they were few and poor and friendless, here were substantial additional grounds for lack of love for these wayfarers.

And finally, this train was rich, very rich in cattle, horses, mules and other property—and how could the Mormons consistently keep up their coveted resemblance to the Israelitish tribes and not seize the "spoil" of an enemy when the Lord had so manifestly "delivered it into their hand?"

Wherefore, according to Mrs. C. V. Waite's entertaining book, "The Mormon Prophet," it transpired that—

"A 'revelation' from Brigham Young, as Great Grand Archee or God, was dispatched to President J. C. Haight, Bishop Higbee and J. D. Lee (adopted son of Brigham), commanding them to raise all the forces they could muster and trust, follow those cursed Gentiles (so read the revelation), attack them disguised as Indians, and with the arrows of the Almighty make a clean sweep of them, and leave none to tell the tale; and if they needed any assistance they were commanded to hire the Indians as their allies, promising them a share of the booty. They were to be neither slothful nor negligent in their duty, and to be punctual in sending the teams back to him before winter set in, for this was the mandate of Almighty God."

The book provides much more detail than could be fit into a short post like this.

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#15 Jan 26, 2013
JohnDleeDiedForBYsSins wrote:
You do understand that Mark Twain was being satirical in what you have quoted? You really should read the whole book. You can download it here for free http://www.gutenberg.org/files/3177/3177-h/31...
But He wasn't being satirical at all here from the same book, Roughing It:
"THE MOUNTAIN MEADOWS MASSACRE.
The persecutions which the Mormons suffered so long—and which they consider they still suffer in not being allowed to govern themselves—they have endeavored and are still endeavoring to repay.
The now almost forgotten "Mountain Meadows massacre" was their work. It was very famous in its day. The whole United States rang with its horrors.
A few items will refresh the reader's memory. A great emigrant train from Missouri and Arkansas passed through Salt Lake City and a few disaffected Mormons joined it for the sake of the strong protection it afforded for their escape.
In that matter lay sufficient cause for hot retaliation by the Mormon chiefs. Besides, these one hundred and forty-five or one hundred and fifty unsuspecting emigrants being in part from Arkansas, where a noted Mormon missionary had lately been killed, and in part from Missouri, a State remembered with execrations as a bitter persecutor of the saints when they were few and poor and friendless, here were substantial additional grounds for lack of love for these wayfarers.
And finally, this train was rich, very rich in cattle, horses, mules and other property—and how could the Mormons consistently keep up their coveted resemblance to the Israelitish tribes and not seize the "spoil" of an enemy when the Lord had so manifestly "delivered it into their hand?"
Wherefore, according to Mrs. C. V. Waite's entertaining book, "The Mormon Prophet," it transpired that—
"A 'revelation' from Brigham Young, as Great Grand Archee or God, was dispatched to President J. C. Haight, Bishop Higbee and J. D. Lee (adopted son of Brigham), commanding them to raise all the forces they could muster and trust, follow those cursed Gentiles (so read the revelation), attack them disguised as Indians, and with the arrows of the Almighty make a clean sweep of them, and leave none to tell the tale; and if they needed any assistance they were commanded to hire the Indians as their allies, promising them a share of the booty. They were to be neither slothful nor negligent in their duty, and to be punctual in sending the teams back to him before winter set in, for this was the mandate of Almighty God."
The book provides much more detail than could be fit into a short post like this.
If what you claim you think is true "...that Mark Twain was being satirical in what you have quoted?" ... than you cannot adequately or correctly state where his "satirical" comments began and where they ended unless you talked with him and he told you privately exactly where he was being serious and where he was being a satirist.
With that said, by your logic, he wasn't really being serious at all of any of his comments of the BOM. He was making fun of it because that is what he did, make fun of things.

By the way, here's his summery of the Bible so so much for his serious side eh?

BIBLE

It is full of interest. It has noble poetry in it; and some clever fables; and some blood-drenched history; and some good morals; and a wealth of obscenity; and upwards of a thousand lies.
- Letters from the Earth

I think Mark Twain would be the last person you or I would/should use to support a position for any religion :)

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#16 Jan 26, 2013
JohnDleeDiedForBYsSins wrote:
But He wasn't being satirical at all here from the same book, Roughing It:
"THE MOUNTAIN MEADOWS MASSACRE.
The persecutions which the Mormons suffered so long—and which they consider they still suffer in not being allowed to govern themselves—they have endeavored and are still endeavoring to repay.
The now almost forgotten "Mountain Meadows massacre" was their work. It was very famous in its day. The whole United States rang with its horrors.
A few items will refresh the reader's memory. A great emigrant train from Missouri and Arkansas passed through Salt Lake City and a few disaffected Mormons joined it for the sake of the strong protection it afforded for their escape.
In that matter lay sufficient cause for hot retaliation by the Mormon chiefs. Besides, these one hundred and forty-five or one hundred and fifty unsuspecting emigrants being in part from Arkansas, where a noted Mormon missionary had lately been killed, and in part from Missouri, a State remembered with execrations as a bitter persecutor of the saints when they were few and poor and friendless, here were substantial additional grounds for lack of love for these wayfarers.
And finally, this train was rich, very rich in cattle, horses, mules and other property—and how could the Mormons consistently keep up their coveted resemblance to the Israelitish tribes and not seize the "spoil" of an enemy when the Lord had so manifestly "delivered it into their hand?"
Wherefore, according to Mrs. C. V. Waite's entertaining book, "The Mormon Prophet," it transpired that—
"A 'revelation' from Brigham Young, as Great Grand Archee or God, was dispatched to President J. C. Haight, Bishop Higbee and J. D. Lee (adopted son of Brigham), commanding them to raise all the forces they could muster and trust, follow those cursed Gentiles (so read the revelation), attack them disguised as Indians, and with the arrows of the Almighty make a clean sweep of them, and leave none to tell the tale; and if they needed any assistance they were commanded to hire the Indians as their allies, promising them a share of the booty. They were to be neither slothful nor negligent in their duty, and to be punctual in sending the teams back to him before winter set in, for this was the mandate of Almighty God."
The book provides much more detail than could be fit into a short post like this.
Twain wrote this book some 13 years after the massacre happened. Twain wasn't there at the massacre. Yet you use his information as if he was there at the massacre and his information is 100% reliable? As reliable as his comments of the BOM and his comments of the Bible being filled "with a thousand lies".
Also, if what Mrs. Waite said is true that Young ordered Mormon elders to go a slaughter that wagon train, than what, he had a change of conscious? Because it's recorded when he heard from a rider that elders were planning an attack on that wagon train before it happened, he dispatched a letter telling them not to do it. If that letter had arrived in time one of two things would have happened. Either A. the elders wouldn't have made the attack or B. the elders would have ignored their prophet to kill the wagon train.
You can't have it both ways. That Young told the elders to massacre the attack and before it happened, he wrote and told the elders not to attack. Which is it?
Because as it stands, Waite claims he ordered the massacre and yet other evidence shows he wrote prior to the event forbidding the elders from doing such a thing.

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#17 Jan 26, 2013
The Mormonizing of America is a real threat to our freedoms.

We don't need another Taliban and worse. Blood atonement is much worse than beheading.

http://elizabeth-newbloggist.blogspot.com/201...

and you can bet your bottom dollar the theocratic warriors defending the Mormons are going to be full of denial on this just as they are on the Mountain Meadows Massacre as noted on this thread.

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#18 Jan 26, 2013
JustAnotherChildOfGod wrote:
The Mormonizing of America is a real threat to our freedoms.
We don't need another Taliban and worse. Blood atonement is much worse than beheading.
http://elizabeth-newbloggist.blogspot.com/201...
and you can bet your bottom dollar the theocratic warriors defending the Mormons are going to be full of denial on this just as they are on the Mountain Meadows Massacre as noted on this thread.
You didn't answer the question Smurf. If Waite claims young gave orders to massacre the wagon train, how is it a day before the massacre happened, there is recorded historical evidence in writing that upon learning from a rider of what the elders in Cedar City were up to, Young sent orders for them not to hurt the wagon train.
Come on smurf, you claim to be the expert with over flowing knowledge of the MMM. Explain what's happening smurf.
And you're reverting to out right pathetic non-Christian lies smurf. You're lying for effect smurf. You're a self proclaimed liar AGAIN smurf. You lied stating certain people are in denial that Mormons had something to do with MMM.
You're an out right pathetic dog crawling liar. No one in these threads that I know of, Mormon or not Mormon has ever denied that Mormon elders had something to do with that massacre. So you're a filthy, low belly crawling scoundrel for claiming Mormons and non-Mormons claim Mormons weren't involved in the MMM.
And you claim you don't lie.
The scholarly debate is if Young authorized that massacre or if he didn't. No one can prove either theory. The con of the issue can show evidence of the plan going to the than area president. But there is no solid evidence to connect Young.
Of course you as a scoundral don't care of evidence when it doesn't work for you. You would rather find a person guilty with out solid evidence.
I have wisely never claimed Young ordered that massacre because there is no solid evidence. I have just stated there is evidence (not solid evidence) that show's he didn't order the massacre.
The "hearsay" evidence that Waite states he did order the massacre and, the historical writings, "solid evidence" that shows a rider came to Young before the massacre to tell him of it's plans and, the historical facts "solid evidence" showing before the massacre that young sent an order with the rider telling the elders to do no such thing, that lends strong evidence that young didn't want the massacre to happen.
Why don't you act your age and grow up and use some smarts instead of these childish rants you go into? Like your paranoid delusional thinking that if Mormons took over, they would set into practice blood atonement? Can you even prove that by weak evidence?
And stop resorting to lying, you're to old to be a liar.

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#19 Jan 29, 2013
fedupwiththemess wrote:
Oh hell no!!!! Mormons are members of a cult. They believe and do as their prophet says. Not what GOD says. They have made up their own book of mormon. Not the bible.
You crack me up fed. Seriously, you really do. Who do you think wrote the bible sweets? It was prophets. That God spoke to, and told them what to write. The book of Mormon is the same thing. Written by prophets who were spoken to by God.

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#20 Jan 29, 2013
fedupwiththemess wrote:
<quoted text>Do you find the book of mormon in the bible? The bible is GOD's word to man to live by.
Of course you don't find it IN the bible, if you did it would not be called Another Testament of Christ.

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#21 Jan 29, 2013
JustAnotherChildOfGod wrote:
The Mormonizing of America is a real threat to our freedoms.
We don't need another Taliban and worse. Blood atonement is much worse than beheading.
http://elizabeth-newbloggist.blogspot.com/201...
and you can bet your bottom dollar the theocratic warriors defending the Mormons are going to be full of denial on this just as they are on the Mountain Meadows Massacre as noted on this thread.
Are you freaking kidding me????
You are going to compare Mormons to the Taliban. You may as well leave the board now, because you have already lost any credibility you could possibly have had by making such a ridiculous statement.

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#22 Jan 29, 2013
I don't think so!

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#24 Jan 30, 2013
Here is more information on the Mormon theocracy that will bring about an American taliban if we allow it to:

http://joestone.net/2012/01/31/theocracy-a-cl...

The mormonizing of America is all about creating an American Taliban. The Mormons just call it a theodemocracy instead!

The ridicule from the peanut gallery shows I hit a raw nerve in pointing this out.

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#25 Jan 30, 2013
fedupwiththemess wrote:
<quoted text> The bible is the ONLY testament of CHRIST.
Why? Because you say so?

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#26 Jan 30, 2013
JustAnotherChildOfGod wrote:
Here is more information on the Mormon theocracy that will bring about an American taliban if we allow it to:
http://joestone.net/2012/01/31/theocracy-a-cl...
The mormonizing of America is all about creating an American Taliban. The Mormons just call it a theodemocracy instead!
The ridicule from the peanut gallery shows I hit a raw nerve in pointing this out.
There is no raw nerve. You compare Mormonism to the Taliban. The last time I went to church, I didn't hear any meetings taking place to prepare for a terrorist attack.
Your comparison just shows how out of touch with reality you truly are.
There was a time papasmurf, when you would say what you thought and while I usually did not agree, I could atleast take something away from the conversation.
Now you are just making irrational comments.

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#27 Jan 30, 2013
Here is another site with information about the Mormon theodemocracy ambitions:

"Latter Day Saints are a powerful business empire and professional lobby in pursuit of theocratic control. Written in their tenets is the goal of becoming President and it’s one they’ve long sought after, to rule the people in a literal “government of (their) God”. It’s a long read yes, but it’s the only way to look at all the issues that range from blatant racism to anti-Semitism and nuclear warheads championed by the Church that have implications in today’s conflict with Iran. Bank fraud, anti-trust lawsuits, gay rights and control of the food industry are a few more surprises you’ll find along the way."

a short excerpt of an interesting article that can be read in full here:

http://amymacpherson.wordpress.com/tag/theode...

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#28 Jan 30, 2013
JustAnotherChildOfGod wrote:
Here is more information on the Mormon theocracy that will bring about an American taliban if we allow it to:
http://joestone.net/2012/01/31/theocracy-a-cl...
The mormonizing of America is all about creating an American Taliban. The Mormons just call it a theodemocracy instead!
The ridicule from the peanut gallery shows I hit a raw nerve in pointing this out.
lol...you poor pathetic idiot...lol...God is love and you worry about Mormons taking over the USA? Why don't you spend some time and read Revelations? Why don't you read about the hell fire and brim stone fury Jesus is bringing? Why don't you read about the death and destruction Jesus is bringing to the world with his love in the end times? lol...and you rant about the Mormons? You poor pathetic self-misguided idiot...lolol....just too sweet..lol.

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