Mormon Church Enters Calif. Gay Marriage Battle

[Lula]

Nephilim wrote:

<quoted text>Parents love their children. Children would love to only eat candy, stay up all night and never go to school. Because we love our children, we do not permit this destructive behavior.
Next argument.

No, not "next argument."

You're completely dismissing the FACT that many parents systematically destroy their children while thinking they are protecting them.

Of course, I am talking about the gay child who grows up hearing how bad gays are and how immoral homosexuality is...how vile they are, whether it be in concrete terms or via indirect messages.

It is a profound tragedy that people like you THINK you're protecting your kids from gay people, when...if one of your kids IS gay, you are most definitely chipping away at their self-esteem and sense of dignity each and every day.

[elkc]

SECULAR against gay marr wrote:

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No, the Bible does not say that any committed relationship between two people is okay. Romans 1:26-27 1 Timothy 1:10 strictly forbid homosexuality. I believe, as most scholars do, that Paul actually wrote most of the words in the new testament but I also believe that every word is divinely inspired and therefore is the word of God. My flesh wants me to believe that two people in love should be able to marry but if I am going to call myself a Christian I have to follow the word of God.
It all comes down to sin nature. God said, through Paul and other prophets, that homosexuality is a sin but unfortuately many people have to deal with these urges everyday. I have a desire to sin as well and I have to work to overcome these urges every day. Many men would enjoy having sexual relations out of marriage but again, this is sin nature and needs to be supressed. If we all did whatever we wanted to because "it's not hurting anyone" then sin would run rampant in our lives.
If you aren't a Christian, I don't expect you to side with me. My point is that if you are a Christian you need to follow the Bible and the Bible forbids homosexuality. It's very clear cut.

For some the Bible is nothing more than a book with printed words, full of accounts from different people who argue their accounts of who, what and why God is. For others its divine marvels gives a purpose for its followers to breath, otherwise they'd curl up and die of depression. If you wish to live by methods of a book, and invite others to join you, so be it. However not all believe its writings that have been watered down to the point that today's biblical writings are little more than urban legend. Go believe, go teach your kids to suffer, go drag the homeless kicking and screaming in off the street. But do not expect your religion to be mine. In doing you so violate the expression mentored by the U.S. Constitution. There are no laws that keep you from being denied equality because of your beliefs. Then let there be no laws to prevent gays from equality for who they find themselves to be. It's that simple. So as a Christian go to your church and ban anyone who is gay from becoming a member, that's up to your tax free organizations status to demand prejudices against other groups of people. In the past month a medical study disclosed noticeable differences in the structures of homosexual’s brains vs. heterosexual’s brains. It was suggested that by the Southern Baptist Association that if this was the case and it could be detected before birth; then either an abortion or surgical procedure should be taken to either destroy or make the homosexual fetus to match that of a heterosexual’s fetus. WHAT? A biological design which until now stood fast was God's perfection is now not, but with permission of the leaders of the Southern Baptist doctors may freely kill or redesign Gods handy work. It is the beliefs of the King James Translation that "W" was elected to office, to acquire a war that would return Jews to Israel and begin the chain of events described in Revelations. More people have died in Iraq alone than on 9/11 so as to assure the proper ending to a book. This is idiocy, pure madness! The rights of gays and lesbians should prevail, and the bible should be returned to the church where its teachings, rituals and spells can be practiced, and the consequences be solely on those who chooses to be inflicted by narrow mindedness.

[Questions about allthings]

The Authority wrote:

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Why do you consider gays your enemy to begin with?

Because gays consider me their enemy.

If I do not want to think about their bedroom antics I am hate filled. If I do not want to call them normal I am hate filled. They expect me to accept their lifestyle with open arms and to he!! with my feelings of right and wrong -- I am just a hater because I do not believe they are normal.

It does not matter that I treat them like any other human, I must kowtow to their lifestyle or be damned!

[Nimrod]

Stephen St Jack wrote:

They are no longer a church, time to tax them at the highest rate possible!

This is one of the most preposterous statements I have ever seen.

Any who are genuinely interested in the beliefs of members of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints (Mormons) can find them at:

www.mormon.org

or www.jesuschrist.lds.org

[Nimrod]

Questions about allthings wrote:

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Because gays consider me their enemy.
If I do not want to think about their bedroom antics I am hate filled. If I do not want to call them normal I am hate filled. They expect me to accept their lifestyle with open arms and to he!! with my feelings of right and wrong -- I am just a hater because I do not believe they are normal.
It does not matter that I treat them like any other human, I must kowtow to their lifestyle or be damned!

Isn't it interesting that gay activists are constantly saying "we are born this way," and "you did not *choose* to be heterosexual."

They continue by saying that they have *no attraction* to the opposite sex, and are in effect saying that they are revolted by the thought of sexual relations with a person of the opposite gender.

Since we, 98% of the population, are "born heterosexual," then it is only natural that we would be "revolted at the thought of" homosexual relations. We "can't help it. We were *born* that way."

And yet, according to the gay activists, we (the 98%) are supposed to DENY what we can't help--feeling that the very idea of homosexual "sexual relations" is disgusting, repulsive, etc--because it is not pc, and homosexuals' feelings might be hurt.

If we DON'T deny what "is only natural" to us, then according to the gay activists we are "hateful, ignorant, homophobic, etc."

[The Authority]

Questions about allthings wrote:

<quoted text>
Because gays consider me their enemy.
If I do not want to think about their bedroom antics I am hate filled. If I do not want to call them normal I am hate filled. They expect me to accept their lifestyle with open arms and to he!! with my feelings of right and wrong -- I am just a hater because I do not believe they are normal.
It does not matter that I treat them like any other human, I must kowtow to their lifestyle or be damned!

This is an overexaggeration on your part. I don't want you thinking about my sex life. I don't care if you don't think I'm normal. I don't need your acceptance. BUT I don't want you to try and fight against my rights. I don't want you to hate when you know nothing about me. And by the way, I agree gays are not normal, simply superior.

[The Authority]

Nephilim wrote:

<quoted text>Parents love their children. Children would love to only eat candy, stay up all night and never go to school. Because we love our children, we do not permit this destructive behavior.
Next argument.

Gays are not like children. In fact, if anything, they are far superior to heteros. Anyways, are you insinuating that marriage is destructive? I guess that would explain your high failure rate..

[Nimrod]

Mark wrote:

Wait, didn't the Mormon's want to define marriage as being between a man and several women not too long ago?

You consider OVER 115 years ago "not too long ago?"
LOL!! Are you Methuselah, to think 1890 something was just a short time ago?

[Nimrod]

Mark wrote:

Wait, didn't the Mormon's want to define marriage as being between a man and several women not too long ago?

You consider OVER 115 years ago "not too long ago?"

LOL!! Are you Methuselah, to think 1890 something was just a short time ago?

[Nimrod]

Oops! Guess it's time for lunch.

I accidentally posted my last one twice here, after accidentally posting it on on another thread.

Enjoy a laugh at my expense.:=)

[Nephilim]

The Authority wrote:

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Gays are not like children. In fact, if anything, they are far superior to heteros. Anyways, are you insinuating that marriage is destructive? I guess that would explain your high failure rate..

No I am stating homosexuality is wrong and we will not condone it.

[Nephilim]

Lula wrote:

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No, not "next argument."
You're completely dismissing the FACT that many parents systematically destroy their children while thinking they are protecting them.
Of course, I am talking about the gay child who grows up hearing how bad gays are and how immoral homosexuality is...how vile they are, whether it be in concrete terms or via indirect messages.
It is a profound tragedy that people like you THINK you're protecting your kids from gay people, when...if one of your kids IS gay, you are most definitely chipping away at their self-esteem and sense of dignity each and every day.

You completely missed the point of the analogy. Post your understand of the analogy BEFORE typing all the other unrelated material.

[The Authority]

Nephilim wrote:

<quoted text>No I am stating homosexuality is wrong and we will not condone it.

Why is it wrong? And nobody needs you to condone it.

[Lula]

Nimrod wrote:

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You consider OVER 115 years ago "not too long ago?"
LOL!! Are you Methuselah, to think 1890 something was just a short time ago?

Relatively speaking, it was a blink ago, moron.

[LWsciencejunkie]

Nephilim wrote:

<quoted text>No I am stating homosexuality is wrong and we will not condone it.

I think you may have scored a direct hit on what the core issue is! You and others who have an instinctive/cultural/religious revulsion to homosexuality believe that you are being demanded to "condone" something. YOU ARE NOT! You're not expected to condone anything you don't want to or can't. That is your business. In the US, we have "agreed to disagree" on too many issues to count. Many, many things I do not "condone" are perfectly legal and "condoned" by other citizens of this country. The things I do not approve of are sometimes none of my business and I can do nothing about them. I pay a lot of taxes, in fact, to support things that I most definitely do not approve of.
You are under no expectation, let alone demand that you "condone" gay marriage or homosexuality. So; don't. Just understand that when you or others begin to interfere with the very private lives of consenting adults, you are out of bounds. About 8% of Americans are gay. Some want to get married. That isn't anyone's business buy their own. Their private lives do not affect you and yours in any way.

[KVGR]

Nimrod wrote:

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Isn't it interesting that gay activists are constantly saying "we are born this way," and "you did not *choose* to be heterosexual."
They continue by saying that they have *no attraction* to the opposite sex, and are in effect saying that they are revolted by the thought of sexual relations with a person of the opposite gender.
Since we, 98% of the population, are "born heterosexual," then it is only natural that we would be "revolted at the thought of" homosexual relations. We "can't help it. We were *born* that way."
And yet, according to the gay activists, we (the 98%) are supposed to DENY what we can't help--feeling that the very idea of homosexual "sexual relations" is disgusting, repulsive, etc--because it is not pc, and homosexuals' feelings might be hurt.
If we DON'T deny what "is only natural" to us, then according to the gay activists we are "hateful, ignorant, homophobic, etc."

Geez dude..poor argument...I'm gay and I'm not disgusted by the opposite sex nor have I EVER advocated that heterosexuals are somehow disgusting for being straight. No one is asking you to like or want gay sex. I was gladly the best man at 2 of my straight friend’s weddings despite that I wasn’t straight. I was happy for them…they found someone they wanted to spend the rest of their life with. Why would I not support that just because I was gay?

You don’t have to like gay sex to believe that gays should be treated with respect and have equal rights. You said you are “born heterosexual” so how then can’t you understand that this is EXACTLY how we feel. Every hormone, instinct, and emotion tells us this…even though most of us fight it…trust me, I grew up wanting to be straight…very much so. I’d of rather died than accept that I was gay. But yet, thank God, I finally came around and learned to accept it. Now, here you come along to tell us that because you find it “disgusting” we should not be treated as equals and should somehow “choose” to be straight??

Hmm…this really makes sense to you?

My advice to you...stop caring. No one wants you to “like” gay sex. My straight buddies tell me “you know what...who cares…I'm confident in my heterosexuality so why should I bother caring if one of my good friends is gay”
They can say this because they are secure with your sexuality and ultimately believe that this is a free country and thankfully equality comes with it. You obviously don’t even have a gay friend and YOU clearly care so much for some odd reason. Why? Do you realize that more and more people like you sound completely out of touch with reality? The fact that you are actually bothered by what two men or two women do just doesn’t make a lick of sense. Just be straight and be happy and not take for granted your rights or fight to deny others theirs. I just hope that you don’t have a gay son or daughter…god help them if you do.

[MrZip]

im revolted by the thought of homosexual sex. Im also revolted by beets, miracle whip on a sandwich, girls with hairy armpits, and other things that If I don't do, do not effect me. Because you're revolted by something doesnt mean its wrong. Its just not for me. thats just life. Everyone is different. When you start trying to change someone else its you who has the problem.

[Big Pete]

MrZip wrote:

im revolted by the thought of homosexual sex. Im also revolted by beets, miracle whip on a sandwich, girls with hairy armpits, and other things that If I don't do, do not effect me. Because you're revolted by something doesnt mean its wrong. Its just not for me. thats just life. Everyone is different. When you start trying to change someone else its you who has the problem.

St. George needs more people like you.

[Nimrod]

LWsciencejunkie wrote:

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You are under no expectation, let alone demand that you "condone" gay marriage or homosexuality. So; don't. Just understand that when you or others begin to interfere with the very private lives of consenting adults, you are out of bounds. About 8% of Americans are gay. Some want to get married. That isn't anyone's business buy their own. Their private lives do not affect you and yours in any way.

You are so *wrong,* about so many things.
First of all, about 2% of "Americans are gay" NOT 8%.
We who disagree with the notion of SSM are NOT "interfer[ing] with the very private lives of consenting adults." We simply OBJECT to the notion of our GOVERNMENT putting a "government stamp of approval" upon SSM.
Whatever receives a "stamp of approval" --or is subsidized--is what we get MORE of. We don't need more people cohabiting instead of getting married (I'm talking about men & women cohabiting). We don't need more adultery and promiscuity. We don't need Polyamory (whose proponents are NEXT on the list of demanding tax benefits and "government recognition" for their relationships). We don't need more "no fault" divorce, or divorce of any kind, for that matter. We don't need more unwed teenagers having babies and keeping them (instead of placing them for adoption) because they receive WELFARE payments.
Are you so naive as to believe that, if SSM becomes the 'law of the land,' that "marriage" between two men, or two women, will NOT be taught in the schools to be "just as normal" as marrying a person of the opposite gender? I call that "demanding" the "condon[ing]" of "gay marriage [AND] homosexuality." When that happens, and there is NO QUESTION that it will, if SSM is allowed to stand in California--for it is already happening in Massachusetts--then MORE confused adolescents will experiment with homosexual activity.
Parental rights are thus infringed upon, as are our First Amendment Rights--need I remind you what those are?

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