Why Do Mormons Disdain The Cross?
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Since: Oct 07

San Antonio, TX

#1 Nov 7, 2007
We're Christians just like y... OH MY HECK HE'S WEARING A CROSS!
Larry

Overland Park, KS

#2 Nov 7, 2007
LDS (Mormons) do not disdain the cross. You can see dipictions of the crucifiction in our Churchs all the tiime. We do not wear the cross because we focus on the resurection of Jesus not the death. Historicaly the cross was not a Christian symble but was introduced afteer a slave to the emporer Constantine say a chance to easy Christian persecution and told the Emporire that his dream contained the Christian symble of the cross and if he sent it befor him he would win the battle. It however was not a christian symble at the time the fish was.
Gallbladder

Winnemucca, NV

#3 Nov 7, 2007
Just for fun, give an LDS member gold cross earrings. See if she loves them or leaves them.
Larry

Overland Park, KS

#4 Nov 7, 2007
Gallbladder wrote:
Just for fun, give an LDS member gold cross earrings. See if she loves them or leaves them.
The test should not be does an LDS who does not use the Cross as the symble of Christ were them but are they willing, knowing you use it, to give them to you. My wife and I are giving friends of ours, who are Lutherans, a cross Christmass tree ornimant this year because they use the cross. By the way we have a mirror in our house that we were given that when you turn it on has a cross in the middle of it and untain our daughters had to many paintings for the space on our walls it was hanging in our living room. Now the spot is take by what I think is a Blue pumpkin.

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Since: Oct 07

San Antonio, TX

#5 Nov 7, 2007
Larry wrote:
LDS (Mormons) do not disdain the cross.
My personal experience shows otherwise.
Larry wrote:
You can see dipictions of the crucifiction in our Churchs all the tiime.


But none in the temples. Why is that?
Larry wrote:
Historicaly the cross was not a Christian symble but was introduced afteer a slave to the emporer Constantine say a chance to easy Christian persecution and told the Emporire that his dream contained the Christian symble of the cross and if he sent it befor him he would win the battle. It however was not a christian symble at the time the fish was.
Reference please.

In light of your above comments, please explain this quote to me. "The only members of the Church who wear the symbol of the cross are Latter-day Saint chaplains, who wear it on their military uniforms to show that they are Christian chaplains.(True To The Faith, p.46)
http://www.lds.org/languages/youthmaterials/t...

If Mormon chaplains wear a cross to show that they are Christians, why don't other Mormons?

Since: Mar 07

Location hidden

#6 Nov 7, 2007
I wear the Cross.

Would I be told to take it off if I joined the Latter Day Saints?

Yes I belive it is a symbol, just that, a symbol.
It constantly reminds me of the greatest unselfish act ever committed for mankind.

Others have said that Jesus lives and they do not need a death symbol to wear.

I'm confused with John 14:15.
Is he saying not to wear symbols?
Larry

Overland Park, KS

#7 Nov 7, 2007
Ozzie wrote:
I wear the Cross.
Would I be told to take it off if I joined the Latter Day Saints?
Yes I belive it is a symbol, just that, a symbol.
It constantly reminds me of the greatest unselfish act ever committed for mankind.
Others have said that Jesus lives and they do not need a death symbol to wear.
I'm confused with John 14:15.
Is he saying not to wear symbols?
While not very often I have seen people were the cross to LDS Church services and have not seen anyone tell them to or ask them to take it off. Many over time have decided not to wear it because they start to put the emphasis on the resurection for without the resurection the death would have been useless. I did have a few investigaters as a missionary that would wear their crosses and I know of at least one who has joined the LDS Church and when my wife and I visited with her a few months ago she still was wearing it.
Larry

Overland Park, KS

#8 Nov 7, 2007
Keith Walker wrote:
<quoted text>
My personal experience shows otherwise.
<quoted text>
But none in the temples. Why is that?
<quoted text>
Reference please.
In light of your above comments, please explain this quote to me. "The only members of the Church who wear the symbol of the cross are Latter-day Saint chaplains, who wear it on their military uniforms to show that they are Christian chaplains.(True To The Faith, p.46)
http://www.lds.org/languages/youthmaterials/t...
If Mormon chaplains wear a cross to show that they are Christians, why don't other Mormons?
Chaplins were crosses to distinguish themselves in uniform. As to why do Temples not have Crosses. The point of the Temple is the resurection and life not death. Everything we do in the Temple is for the resurection. Again the death of Jesus would have been for nothing without the resurection. All the pain and suffering that Jesus went through in his last day and hours would have been ofr nothing without the resurection.

Since: Mar 07

Location hidden

#9 Nov 7, 2007
Larry wrote:
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While not very often I have seen people were the cross to LDS Church services and have not seen anyone tell them to or ask them to take it off. Many over time have decided not to wear it because they start to put the emphasis on the resurection for without the resurection the death would have been useless. I did have a few investigaters as a missionary that would wear their crosses and I know of at least one who has joined the LDS Church and when my wife and I visited with her a few months ago she still was wearing it.
Thanks for the reply Larry.

I was asking because while being abe to visit the Sacramento,Ca Temple awhile back during their opening, I didn't notice any Crosses as symbols per say, I did notice the angel Moroni on the facade facing east with his trumpet.
Also with all do respect, this talk about Latter Day Saints under garments with symbols, I wanted to clarify symbolism within the church.What was acceptable and what was not.
Larry

Overland Park, KS

#10 Nov 7, 2007
Ozzie wrote:
<quoted text>Thanks for the reply Larry.
I was asking because while being abe to visit the Sacramento,Ca Temple awhile back during their opening, I didn't notice any Crosses as symbols per say, I did notice the angel Moroni on the facade facing east with his trumpet.
Also with all do respect, this talk about Latter Day Saints under garments with symbols, I wanted to clarify symbolism within the church.What was acceptable and what was not.
Your welcome. While I will ot speak of the symbolism of the Temple Garment (only because to LDS they are sacred and are treated with great respect a same respect that I believe should be given to things held sacred by any church) Symbolism is in reality very big in the LDS belief. The Angel Mormoni for example was designed by a Non-Mormon whos parents had left the LDS Church for the Salt Lake Temple as a representation of the Angel mentioned in Revelation having the Fullness of the everlasting Gospel. The Baptism for both living outside the Temple and for the dead in the Temple is a symable of thye Death, berial and resurection of Jesus Christ. The Temple Garment itsself while again I will not go into in any depth is a symbale of the garments given to Adam and Eve when they were cast out of the Garden. On a side note if you dont mind what did you think of the Temple?

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Since: Oct 07

San Antonio, TX

#11 Nov 7, 2007
Larry wrote:
Your welcome. While I will ot speak of the symbolism of the Temple Garment (only because to LDS they are sacred and are treated with great respect a same respect that I believe should be given to things held sacred by any church)
www.sacredorsecret.com

Speaking of Sacramento, here is a story about the Sacramento temple tour.
http://sacredorsecret.com/temples_tours_truth...
Larry

Overland Park, KS

#12 Nov 7, 2007
Keith Walker wrote:
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www.sacredorsecret.com
Speaking of Sacramento, here is a story about the Sacramento temple tour.
http://sacredorsecret.com/temples_tours_truth...
You on another thread asked what is an Anti-Mormon. I would have to say the fact that you youd discrace what others see as sacred this way shows that you are an Anti-Mormon. Just as I would not disrespect the things held sacred by others so should things we hold sacred be repected. I believe and hope most will see you for what you are through your last post.

Since: Mar 07

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#13 Nov 7, 2007
Larry wrote:
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Your welcome. While I will ot speak of the symbolism of the Temple Garment (only because to LDS they are sacred and are treated with great respect a same respect that I believe should be given to things held sacred by any church) Symbolism is in reality very big in the LDS belief. The Angel Mormoni for example was designed by a Non-Mormon whos parents had left the LDS Church for the Salt Lake Temple as a representation of the Angel mentioned in Revelation having the Fullness of the everlasting Gospel. The Baptism for both living outside the Temple and for the dead in the Temple is a symable of thye Death, berial and resurection of Jesus Christ. The Temple Garment itsself while again I will not go into in any depth is a symbale of the garments given to Adam and Eve when they were cast out of the Garden. On a side note if you dont mind what did you think of the Temple?
Actually starting at the begining, my sister and husband are converts to the Church, my sister flew out from Utah to attend and asked if I would like to join her.
On arriving after a two hour drive, the Sac. temple has a long winding road off the main road,at the bottom their were a handful of protesters waving "secret not sacred" signs,nervously, I had no idea what to expect.
Well manicured lawns, peacefull surroundings. Handsome men and women, well dreseed, polite, to attend the masses.
Some what long lines to enter, small "booties" to wear apon entering.
As our turn approched to enter the main doors leading into the temple a "guide" a older lady commented "this is where God lives.
Whril wind tour, bits and picecs of information on "rooms, then to a reception area for cookies and lemonade.
I didn't stay for info from helpers on details about the Church, ect. Yet somehow I feel I missed something.
I feel Larry, I just didn't "get it".
If it was age old prejeduce, you know what I mean, or I was scared, I didn't feel the burning of the bossum the Church speaks of, or any revelation there of.
I love my sister and brother-in-law with all my heart, yet remain skeptical on their choices.

Thats a main reason I ghost these posts :)
Listening, trying to understand.

You are my brother Larry, I am my brothers keeper.
You must have prayed somewhere along the line for patience, to have me always asking you questions, maybe I said to much, or not enough, but I honestly apprecate your kindness. Thank-you
-Oz
GreenwoodGuy

Newport, KY

#14 Nov 7, 2007
Keith Walker wrote:
<quoted text>
My personal experience shows otherwise.
<quoted text>
But none in the temples. Why is that?
<quoted text>
Reference please.
In light of your above comments, please explain this quote to me. "The only members of the Church who wear the symbol of the cross are Latter-day Saint chaplains, who wear it on their military uniforms to show that they are Christian chaplains.(True To The Faith, p.46)
http://www.lds.org/languages/youthmaterials/t...
If Mormon chaplains wear a cross to show that they are Christians, why don't other Mormons?
Oh my. The US military recognizes LDS Chaplains as Christians.
That fact probably ticks off CIB and JIROBBI.
LOL.
FYI

United States

#15 Nov 7, 2007
Things to Say to Freak Out Mormons (MP3), by Becky Walker
http://ia300216.us.archive.org/2/items/walker...
Larry

Overland Park, KS

#16 Nov 7, 2007
Ozzie wrote:
<quoted text>Actually starting at the begining, my sister and husband are converts to the Church, my sister flew out from Utah to attend and asked if I would like to join her.
On arriving after a two hour drive, the Sac. temple has a long winding road off the main road,at the bottom their were a handful of protesters waving "secret not sacred" signs,nervously, I had no idea what to expect.
Well manicured lawns, peacefull surroundings. Handsome men and women, well dreseed, polite, to attend the masses.
Some what long lines to enter, small "booties" to wear apon entering.
As our turn approched to enter the main doors leading into the temple a "guide" a older lady commented "this is where God lives.
Whril wind tour, bits and picecs of information on "rooms, then to a reception area for cookies and lemonade.
I didn't stay for info from helpers on details about the Church, ect. Yet somehow I feel I missed something.
I feel Larry, I just didn't "get it".
If it was age old prejeduce, you know what I mean, or I was scared, I didn't feel the burning of the bossum the Church speaks of, or any revelation there of.
I love my sister and brother-in-law with all my heart, yet remain skeptical on their choices.
Thats a main reason I ghost these posts :)
Listening, trying to understand.
You are my brother Larry, I am my brothers keeper.
You must have prayed somewhere along the line for patience, to have me always asking you questions, maybe I said to much, or not enough, but I honestly apprecate your kindness. Thank-you
-Oz
Thank You for sharing your experiance. I must say that as a life long member of the LDS Church my first time through the Temple,Also an open house (for the Jordan River Temple in SLC) I had no idea what to expect and did not get much from it. Later as an Adault when I went through the Temple for myself I did not get as much as I thought I woould out of it (I think it was fear of the unknown and have heard the same from others) As for not feeling the Spirit I would not be concerned about that. You are doing exactly what God tells us to do which is search things out. Your sister I suspect would agree. Brigham Young himself did not join the LDS Church when he first learned of it but was one of the last of his family to join. He tried for a long time to prove it wrong. What is important is to ask God if what your sister did was right for her. That will answer your first question and concern. From there if you want to think about joining the LDS CHurch you can ask God and when the Time is right he will aswer your praiers. To close thank you for the complenent, although I have gotten impatient with some people on these threads. Feel free to ask any questions you want. As long as its not something sacred I will answer the best I can. If it is something sacred I will try to answer as much as I can. I do not know if I have told you about this book or not but one that might answer some of your questions about the Temple is House of the Lord by boyd K Packer. You can find it at deseretbook.com and seagullbook.com . Seagull Book is probably cheaper. In it he discouses probably the same topics as at the Temple open house but you can take your time and not have the while wind tour that you get at the Temple.
Gallbladder

Winnemucca, NV

#17 Nov 7, 2007
See folks, it is all smoke and mirrors and you better do things the LDS way or your salvation will be shot to hell.

What other Christian religion (mainstream) places so many rules and restrictions on you as well as requires 10% of your gross income in order to "make it to Heaven"?

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Since: Oct 07

San Antonio, TX

#18 Nov 7, 2007
Larry wrote:
You on another thread asked what is an Anti-Mormon. I would have to say the fact that you youd discrace what others see as sacred this way shows that you are an Anti-Mormon.
Wow, this definition keeps changing to fit me. Why am I so special?

Please explain how I disgraced what you see as sacred. You are bound by an oath of secrecy, not me. The link I provided is a tasteful explanation of what you refuse to speak about. Ozzie asked a question so I answered it.
Larry wrote:
Just as I would not disrespect the things held sacred by others so should things we hold sacred be repected.
Again please. Where is the disrespect? I respect your right to believe as you choose. I don't agree with your beliefs, but I have not disrespected them at all.

“www.evidencemini stries.org”

Since: Oct 07

San Antonio, TX

#19 Nov 7, 2007
Ozzie wrote:
On arriving after a two hour drive, the Sac. temple has a long winding road off the main road,at the bottom their were a handful of protesters waving "secret not sacred" signs,nervously, I had no idea what to expect.
Protestors? We were advertising the web site so that you could find out what the Mormons refuse to address. We weren't protesting anything.

“www.evidencemini stries.org”

Since: Oct 07

San Antonio, TX

#20 Nov 7, 2007
FYI wrote:
Things to Say to Freak Out Mormons (MP3), by Becky Walker
http://ia300216.us.archive.org/2/items/walker...
Oh, wow! Where'd you find this?

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