Who says Mormons aren't Christians?

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Since: Jan 13

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#21209 Mar 5, 2013
Sambrotherofnephi wrote:
<quoted text>This is where we get into a circular argument...

I say: Joseph Smith was appointed by the voice of God himself.
You say: Where?
I say: In the Doctrine & Covenants
You say: There is no more scripture after the Bible
I say: Why not?
You say: That is not proof
I say: Here are some scriptures for proof
You say: Anyone can quote scriptures, they don't prove anything
I say: But the scriptures are the word of God
You say: But scriptures can be take out of context, its called "cherry picking"
I say: But but but
You say: See, there is no proof
I say: You're right, because you're not giving me anything to work with here. I ask for what you would call proof and you don't tell me. I ask for how you would know if God spoke in other scriptures and you don't tell me. If I don't know what you are looking for, I can't help you find it.
Brother, I'm not lost.

It should be quite obvious that present scholarship has revealed that Joseph Smith did not translate the Book of Abraham by the power of God as he had claimed. It follows that if he did not translate the Book of Abraham by the power of God, then it would be very easy to conclude that he did not translate the Book of Mormon by the power of God either.

When Joseph first gave his translation, hieroglyphics were undecipherable. Today they are. He was safe in saying anything he wanted to and there would be no way of proving him wrong. But with the resurfacing of the same papyri he used to do his Book of Abraham translation, and the fact that he did not in any way do it correctly, should be proof enough that Joseph Smith lied about his abilities from God. He has been shown to be a false prophet.

Since: Jan 13

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#21210 Mar 5, 2013
Sambrotherofnephi wrote:
<quoted text>What did you read about in the Book of Mormon? What did you think about it? What did you think about the church service?
It wasn't for me.

Since: Jan 13

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#21211 Mar 5, 2013
Sambrotherofnephi wrote:
<quoted text>This is where we get into a circular argument...

I say: Joseph Smith was appointed by the voice of God himself.
You say: Where?
I say: In the Doctrine & Covenants
You say: There is no more scripture after the Bible
I say: Why not?
You say: That is not proof
I say: Here are some scriptures for proof
You say: Anyone can quote scriptures, they don't prove anything
I say: But the scriptures are the word of God
You say: But scriptures can be take out of context, its called "cherry picking"
I say: But but but
You say: See, there is no proof
I say: You're right, because you're not giving me anything to work with here. I ask for what you would call proof and you don't tell me. I ask for how you would know if God spoke in other scriptures and you don't tell me. If I don't know what you are looking for, I can't help you find it.
Nowhere in the Bible is Joseph Smith prophesied as a future prophet of God. Despite the evidence that Mormons may give, an examination of the biblical texts leads to their proofs being easily refuted. Whether it is the addition in Genesis 50 of the JST or the Old Testament prophecies regarding the coming of Elijah, nowhere has God revealed Joseph Smith in the Bible.
Im Just Sayin Too

Yuba City, CA

#21212 Mar 5, 2013
01Justsayin wrote:
<quoted text>
Brother, I'm not lost.
It should be quite obvious that present scholarship has revealed that Joseph Smith did not translate the Book of Abraham by the power of God as he had claimed. It follows that if he did not translate the Book of Abraham by the power of God, then it would be very easy to conclude that he did not translate the Book of Mormon by the power of God either.
When Joseph first gave his translation, hieroglyphics were undecipherable. Today they are. He was safe in saying anything he wanted to and there would be no way of proving him wrong. But with the resurfacing of the same papyri he used to do his Book of Abraham translation, and the fact that he did not in any way do it correctly, should be proof enough that Joseph Smith lied about his abilities from God. He has been shown to be a false prophet.
The papyrus the Book of Abraham's on didn't appear and wasn't in the papyri donated by Emma Smith to the met. There was a diagram drawn in the same format as funerary books, and the diagram was notated differently than that typical for the type books.

The kinds of funerary drawings are very common and many, MANY subjects are spoken of in drawings of that format.

You're rushing around on the internet trying to look like you know how to argue Abrahamic/Judaic/Christianic religion.

You're faking and you're lying when you claim you're interested in discovering anything else about God because you don't believe in revealed religion.

Since: Jan 13

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#21213 Mar 5, 2013
Im Just Sayin Too wrote:
<quoted text>The papyrus the Book of Abraham's on didn't appear and wasn't in the papyri donated by Emma Smith to the met. There was a diagram drawn in the same format as funerary books, and the diagram was notated differently than that typical for the type books.

The kinds of funerary drawings are very common and many, MANY subjects are spoken of in drawings of that format.

You're rushing around on the internet trying to look like you know how to argue Abrahamic/Judaic/Christianic religion.

You're faking and you're lying when you claim you're interested in discovering anything else about God because you don't believe in revealed religion.
Lol Am I? I didn't even know this about myself. Tell me, do you make house calls? What is your rate?

Since: Jan 13

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#21214 Mar 5, 2013
Im Just Sayin Too wrote:
<quoted text>The papyrus the Book of Abraham's on didn't appear and wasn't in the papyri donated by Emma Smith to the met. There was a diagram drawn in the same format as funerary books, and the diagram was notated differently than that typical for the type books.

The kinds of funerary drawings are very common and many, MANY subjects are spoken of in drawings of that format.

You're rushing around on the internet trying to look like you know how to argue Abrahamic/Judaic/Christianic religion.

You're faking and you're lying when you claim you're interested in discovering anything else about God because you don't believe in revealed religion.
Also, I never said I was interested in learning about Mormons. I've experienced firsthand that religion, and I've found it's not for me. Furthermore, my standpoint the entire time has been that I don't believe in Joseph smith as a prophet of God or the Book of Mormon as a form of doctrine. Does that make me fake? No. Does that mean I don't believe in God? No. It just means I don't believe in the same manner as a Mormon. Feel free to continue on with your misguided assessment of me.

“Protest / support the marchers”

Since: Jan 09

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#21215 Mar 5, 2013
No Surprise wrote:
<quoted text>
I read nothing in that verse that the everlasting gospel was contained in a single volume called a Bible. And according to this verse, the gospel existed a few centuries prior to it ever being written down in the NT era. And John had his revelation AFTER the death of Jesus.
So where's your Bible proof that the gospel that angel had was the Bible before the Bible was ever composed? You have no proof. The Bible gives no proof.
No, I was answering another post which read,
REVELATIONS 14_6 wrote:
Read the words of Joseph Smith: the Mormon prophet: the Founder of "The American Religion".****** Mormon.org ******


I was asking how that verse could be a proof that Mormonism is inspired from God.
Using that verse is proof of how desperate Mormons are to create any credibility for their Godless religion.

“Protest / support the marchers”

Since: Jan 09

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#21216 Mar 5, 2013
Angel of light wrote:
<quoted text>Lot's of typo's was printed in numerous Mormon publications and was removed and changed from Book of Mormon.
Oh no!!
You'd think God could at least learn to spell before He inspires ANOTHER religion, especially when it contradicts the other ones.
Mormons are doing the best they can to fix their god's many faults and errors.
I'm so grateful I'm not in their shoes -- I'd hate to have to deal with that one.
Im Just Sayin Too

Yuba City, CA

#21217 Mar 5, 2013
If ONLY we had the papyri Joseph Smith thought were the most important ones. There were records of the house of Jacob as well as the funerary drawings representing in Heiroglyph the revealed Book of Abraham.

The complete book in it's textual form, came
**as PURE REVELATION** through Joseph Smith, as he PONDERED a FUNERARY DRAWING that REFERENCED the ANCIENT LEGEND about ABRAHAM'S FATHER trying to kill him.

Joseph Smith SAID the COMMON FIGURES were RENAMED by addition of SECONDARY drawings onto the MAIN, more COMMON ones.

Adherence to religious formats for highly reverential funeral material, worldwide and down through time, is FAR from unusual.

And for Egypt during the highly religious periods of it's history this was VERY true. LEGAL objectives had to be met to assure a person a proper burial: and this included what you could say TO and ABOUT both the PERSON and the AFTERLIFE.

Today in MUCH more diverse cultural situations,

people have images designed for
funeral,
wedding,
Christmas,
Easter,

where other people or phrases are entered into traditional representations: Bears pulling Santa's sleigh, historical phrases altered, things like that: to preserve the occasion's distinct nature.

The Egyptians during certain times, were very VERY controlling about what they allowed to happen or be written for inclusion in a funeral.

Since in SPITE of HIEROGLYPHICS NOT YET BEING TRANSLATED, Joseph Smith DID say that much of the stock material was PRECISELY what

***MEN who LATER LEARNED to READ Hieroglypics, FOUND THEM TO BE.***

The ONLY way that could have been done was either Joseph Smith was able to read them

or he guessed right about SEVERAL THINGS on ONE DRAWING.

That's factually just IMPOSSIBLE for someone to do. It really is impossible: and his critics have no explanation for how he could ever have done that. It really is impossible.

IF Joseph Smith HAD noticed something that he said "was the mention of Abraham's name"

the likelihood of it NOT having to meet strict standards for an official Egyptian funeral service is ZERO.

Which makes the likelihood that what he claimed: that he simply saw a typical drawing but with other names drawn in - a MUCH more granular and historically likely event.
GOOGLE JEWISH POLYGAMY

Yuba City, CA

#21218 Mar 5, 2013
Protester wrote:
<quoted text>
No, I was answering another post which read,
<quoted text>
I was asking how that verse could be a proof that Mormonism is inspired from God.
Using that verse is proof of how desperate Mormons are to create any credibility for their Godless religion.
You can't even compulsively LIE correctly.
GOOGLE JEWISH POLYGAMY

Yuba City, CA

#21219 Mar 5, 2013
Protester wrote:
<quoted text>
Oh no!!
You'd think God could at least learn to spell before He inspires ANOTHER religion, especially when it contradicts the other ones.
Mormons are doing the best they can to fix their god's many faults and errors.
I'm so grateful I'm not in their shoes -- I'd hate to have to deal with that one.
Yeah hillbilly. There wasn't ever a misspelling in one of the 40 different VERSIONs of the Bible you claim you can read.

Which one of the many different Bibles do you claim to be reading the COMPLETE word of God in hillbilly? The protestant or the Catholic? The Orthodox?

What you are is an ignorant undereducated stumblebum whose sole interest in literary art is as a form of assaulting someone else.

The fact you make such sweeping yet obviously illiterate statements like 'Muh Bieghbul Muh Bieghbul!"

marks you as a student of:

YORE BIEGHBUL!

You're an ignorant evil slob whose children Darwin's Dog are going to snap up with the offhand ease of God sending punishment down on a clown, four generations.
Heather from LI

Danbury, CT

#21220 Mar 5, 2013
GOOGLE niggers stink wrote:
<quoted text>
You can't even compulsively LIE correctly.
lol
So much for exaltation

Corbin, KY

#21221 Mar 5, 2013
How many commandments must you keep continually? Some? Most? All? If all,how are you doing at this?
So much for exaltation

Corbin, KY

#21222 Mar 5, 2013
How many sins must you forsake? Have you forsaken all your sins? If not,doesn't that mean you have not truly repented?

“Protest / support the marchers”

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#21223 Mar 5, 2013
26,000 Pastors for Martial Law Continuity of Government
They exist to tell the idiot masses to blindly follow the government, just like they blindly follow fake Christian leaders now. They will do that when corrupt government leaders expose themselves publicly as traitors.
They’ve been working with the government for generations, subtly deceiving people just enough to cause them to stop worshipping the Lord and to follow their ministers, but the idiot masses just refuse to face reality, and keep dragging intelligent people down with them.
(next post)

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#21224 Mar 5, 2013
GOOGLE JEWISH POLYGAMY

Yuba City, CA

#21225 Mar 5, 2013
01Justsayin wrote:
<quoted text>
Also, I never said I was interested in learning about Mormons. I've experienced firsthand that religion, and I've found it's not for me. Furthermore, my standpoint the entire time has been that I don't believe in Joseph smith as a prophet of God or the Book of Mormon as a form of doctrine. Does that make me fake? No. Does that mean I don't believe in God? No. It just means I don't believe in the same manner as a Mormon. Feel free to continue on with your misguided assessment of me.
Nobody accused you of saying you were interested in learning about Mormons.

I'm sure you have experienced that religion firsthand and it wasn't for you. Christianity's not a religion most people find sticks to them well.

The fact you make drive by swipes and claim to having discovered 'proof' of this and that marks you an I.N.S.T.A.N.T. fake,

and nothing BUT a fake.

Don't try to claim when you OOZE fake,
and are NOTICED doing so,

you're above having it called, because you say so.

Spare that bullshoot, for the day you try to con the Lord you were an honest & respectful person down here.

Since: Jan 13

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#21226 Mar 5, 2013
GOOGLE JEWISH POLYGAMY wrote:
<quoted text>Nobody accused you of saying you were interested in learning about Mormons.

I'm sure you have experienced that religion firsthand and it wasn't for you. Christianity's not a religion most people find sticks to them well.

The fact you make drive by swipes and claim to having discovered 'proof' of this and that marks you an I.N.S.T.A.N.T. fake,

and nothing BUT a fake.

Don't try to claim when you OOZE fake,
and are NOTICED doing so,

you're above having it called, because you say so.

Spare that bullshoot, for the day you try to con the Lord you were an honest & respectful person down here.
ROFL! Do you actually buy the bullshit that comes out of your mouth? Firstly, I don't have to prove myself to you or anyone else. Secondly, you have yet to mention that you even believe in anything at all. Thirdly, God alone has the authority to judge me and I kneel before him willingly. Your opinion of me means about as much to me as the paper I wipe my ass on. Moving on.

“Too much LDS in the 60's”

Since: Sep 10

Marysville, CA

#21227 Mar 5, 2013
GOOGLE JEWISH POLYGAMY wrote:
<quoted text>
Which one of the many different Bibles do you claim to be reading the COMPLETE word of God in hillbilly? The protestant or the Catholic? The Orthodox?
The Book of Mormon has nothing to brag about with 116 pages missing, no mention of temple endowments, eternal marriage, the plan of salvation, temple work for the dead, yet it contains "the fulness of the gospel"?

Only hicks would buy that line of crap.

“Too much LDS in the 60's”

Since: Sep 10

Marysville, CA

#21228 Mar 5, 2013
01Justsayin wrote:
<quoted text>
ROFL! Do you actually buy the bullshit that comes out of your mouth? Firstly, I don't have to prove myself to you or anyone else. Secondly, you have yet to mention that you even believe in anything at all. Thirdly, God alone has the authority to judge me and I kneel before him willingly. Your opinion of me means about as much to me as the paper I wipe my ass on. Moving on.
She is 65 yr old trailer park trash from Colton Ca who's husband has left her for a better looking wife. She can't find anyone who is willing to even spend this life with her, let alone eternity. That is why she is so bitter.

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