Who Is Allah?

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“Allah is a very beautiful word for God. Shouldn't we all say that from now on we will name God Allah? [...] What does God care what we call him?”

From the desk of Soeren Kern on Fri, 2007-08-24 11:56 Europeans love to mock the salience of religion in American society. via The Brussels Journal

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bmz

Since: Mar 08

Singapore

#164233 Feb 18, 2013
Shamma wrote:
<quoted text>You are a child of Satan, you accept the lies of Satan as truth.
You are totally a Muhammadan.
Your brain is void of logic and reasoning.
A child of Satan would always speak nonsense like the Church fathers, who were the children of Satan, did.

I am a Muslim. Qur'aan teaches us to reason. Your faith and beliefs are not based up on any reason and logic.

The lies of Satan are as follows:

1. Jesus is the Son of God. Satan always had wanted to give God a Son and he did.

2. Jesus died for the sins of the world.

3. Jesus is God.

4. Jesus is God in flesh or in person.

5. The three members of the Trinity and their Godhead known as the Triune God.

What can be more Satanic than this, Septic?
Paul WV

Beckley, WV

#164234 Feb 18, 2013
bmz wrote:
<quoted text>
The Father could not save Jesus, so forget about the salvation crap, please.
Builders, corner stone, and gate to heaven, etc., is nothing but the result of intellectual masturbation of people, who could not understand the reason for the failure of his mission.
Answer my questions and be bold:
"So, who were those people, who crucified him and did not know what they were doing?
Spit it out, please!
Stick to the questions.
Are you mentaly hadicapped? Is my answer not the answer you want to hear? Well, to bad.

Jesus is the Way, the Truth and the Life; no one comes to the Father but through Him.
Qadir mengal

Islamabad, Pakistan

#164235 Feb 18, 2013
That passage in the Quran does not fit the situation

Qadir mengal wrote:
who="Shamma"]@ Qadir Mengal:
There was no complete book sent while Muhammad lived.
This verses is not a revelation:
1-(Quran 6:114)
Say:; Shall I seek
For judge other than Allah?
When He it is
Who hath sent unto you
The book, explained in detail
The word that reveals the text not to be Muhammad's nor Allah's words is the word "Say".
The writer is telling Muhammad what to say, as an after thought before the book was sent down.
Muhammad couldn't have said that because the book was not compiled till 200 years after Muhammad was dead.
The verses is written as thou Muhammad himself had a copy of the complete book while he lived. and there was no complete book in written form till after Muhammad was dead.
The writer out did himself as being a schemer in trying to explain that those that disputed Muhammad should not do so because Allah sent down the book.
But there was no book in Muhammad's time, all there were was scraps, and pieces of material of dictated words by Muhammad.
So those verses are fake.
Mengal
Dear Shamma,
Thanks,that what ever you understand and perceive presented it correctly,Dear you know Quran like other books not written or presented, it descended to Mohammad to his needs according to situations time to time to Guide Mohammad so as other Muslims,You never understand Quran without its chronically history or facts, please let now come to the meaning and commentary of this verse,
Quresh people disputing the Quran and Mohammad in that context this Verse revealed to Mohammad(saw)' Allah says (O mohammad tell these Quresh people that after ordain of Allah I Mohammad seek other judge than Allah while Allah sent you the book which is complete and explains the all things including those whom books given(Christians and Jews) and they know very well that this book(Qur'an) has been sent from your Lord Allah.

That passage in the Quran does not fit the situation.
Opposition to Muhammad

Some clan leaders did not appreciate Muhammad's claim of prophethood and tried to silence him by putting pressure on his uncle, Abu Talib. Many of the clans also began to oppose the followers of Muhammad, for example by boycotting them. A number of early Muslims took refuge with the Christian king of Abyssinia,[16] while Muhammad himself would later emigrate to Yathrib, now Medina. The Quraysh fought many battles against Muhammad, one major clash was the Battle of Badr, where the Quraysh were defeated, the event was seen as a turning point for Muslims.[17] After Muhammad's conquest of Mecca in 630, he pardoned most of those who had opposed him before, and peace among the different clans was maintained. After Muhammad's death, clan rivalries reignited, playing central roles in the conflicts over the caliphate and contributing to the Shia-Sunni divide.

The Quresh didn't accept Muhammad until he defeated them.
Those verses don't fit the situation.
All Muhammad was is his belief that he was prophet at that time.
Muhammad had no book that he carried with as the Quran.
It didn't exist.
So Muhammad could not say Allah told the Quresh to tell the Quresh Muhammad already had the complete Quran.

That advice Muhammad said in the Quran came from Allah was a lie.
Paul WV

Beckley, WV

#164236 Feb 18, 2013
bmz wrote:
<quoted text>
A child of Satan would always speak nonsense like the Church fathers, who were the children of Satan, did.
I am a Muslim. Qur'aan teaches us to reason. Your faith and beliefs are not based up on any reason and logic.
The lies of Satan are as follows:
1. Jesus is the Son of God. Satan always had wanted to give God a Son and he did.
2. Jesus died for the sins of the world.
3. Jesus is God.
4. Jesus is God in flesh or in person.
5. The three members of the Trinity and their Godhead known as the Triune God.
What can be more Satanic than this, Septic?
The quran teaches you nothing. You make demands on the Holy Bible that the koran can not pass. Where is the original koran? God never spoke to mohammad. The koran is the suppose sayings of an unknown spirit that some woman told mohammad was Gabrial.
Alex123 aka WM

London, UK

#164237 Feb 18, 2013
Paul WV wrote:
<quoted text>
Did some spirit tell mohammad that? Do you have that in writing from mohammad? I would like to see the original manuscript, please.
Muhammed the visionary did NOT claim that a man was God.
He made sure that people understood the concept of Monotheism as pratised by people including Jews, that has been messed up by man worshipping pagans!
To be honest, any inspired person could have urged people to revert back to the worship of ONME TRUE God.
Prophet Muhammed PBUH was the best of the best to be able to do it so well that nearly 2 billion Muslims do not draw cartoons of naked BJ!

- If your congregation numbers are dwindling, instead of looking for homosexuals and women priests why not turn your god into a woman?
- more punters will come to see a naked woman on pole.

- The bottom line is this paul WV....
Jesus the great holy man NEVER demanded that you worshipped him.
Jesus NEVER said that "he was God the Father who had come down to earth as his own God the Son (and later God the Holy Ghost), to die on a pagan roman cross for the sins of gentiles (who were dogs and pigs to him) and through believing in his willing sacrifice through unconditional (???) love you would be saved and would have eteranl life!!

THEREFORE, JESUS WAS NEVER GOD..IS NOT GOD...WILL NEVER BE GOD.
THOSE WHO WORSHIP HIM ARE SINNERS WHO ALSO MAKE SURE SIN ACCRUES TO JESUS
ON YOUR HEAD BE IT...FOR WORSHIPPING A MAN WITHOUT PERMISSION FROM GOD.
Case dismissed!
Qadir mengal

Islamabad, Pakistan

#164239 Feb 18, 2013
Those who interested in life of Mohammad as a prophet or other wise come and visit the thread” Qadir mengal Miss understanding islam”An important series about the life of Mohammad(saw) has started, from page 33 of topix this series will go number wise just as 1 (2) 3 … along with mentioning the thread number where the series is located. So as Qadir mengal also (insha Allah) will give you the answers about your questions and Queries about islam on this thread if you questioned him about islam.
Note-Post no, 1,2,3,4,5,6,of this series have come on page 33 of Miss understanding islam, while post number 7,8,9,9-a,and10,11,to 18 have appeared on page no, 34 of this thread i,e miss understanding islam so as post no 19 and 20 and others have appeared on page 35 of this thread kindly follow a head.
Alex123 aka WM

London, UK

#164240 Feb 18, 2013
Paul WV wrote:
<quoted text>
Are you mentaly hadicapped? Is my answer not the answer you want to hear? Well, to bad.
Jesus is the Way, the Truth and the Life; no one comes to the Father but through Him.
Why do you like a robot...use upper cases?
Moses was the way, the truth and the life during his time and NO ONE DARED go to God the Father, but through Moses.

Let's vote for Moses who was much more credible than BJ? or Jacob?
Jacob was also Son of God.
Moses for Son of God!
Many Israelites were son of god.
We have SONS by the TON!
Let's worship the LOT!
oh..Worship Lot too?
lol..........
BJ is NOT God and BJ is not at all a credible candidate.
Paul WV

Beckley, WV

#164241 Feb 18, 2013
Alex123 aka WM wrote:
<quoted text>
Muhammed the visionary did NOT claim that a man was God.
He made sure that people understood the concept of Monotheism as pratised by people including Jews, that has been messed up by man worshipping pagans!
To be honest, any inspired person could have urged people to revert back to the worship of ONME TRUE God.
Prophet Muhammed PBUH was the best of the best to be able to do it so well that nearly 2 billion Muslims do not draw cartoons of naked BJ!
- If your congregation numbers are dwindling, instead of looking for homosexuals and women priests why not turn your god into a woman?
- more punters will come to see a naked woman on pole.
- The bottom line is this paul WV....
Jesus the great holy man NEVER demanded that you worshipped him.
Jesus NEVER said that "he was God the Father who had come down to earth as his own God the Son (and later God the Holy Ghost), to die on a pagan roman cross for the sins of gentiles (who were dogs and pigs to him) and through believing in his willing sacrifice through unconditional (???) love you would be saved and would have eteranl life!!
THEREFORE, JESUS WAS NEVER GOD..IS NOT GOD...WILL NEVER BE GOD.
THOSE WHO WORSHIP HIM ARE SINNERS WHO ALSO MAKE SURE SIN ACCRUES TO JESUS
ON YOUR HEAD BE IT...FOR WORSHIPPING A MAN WITHOUT PERMISSION FROM GOD.
Case dismissed!
mohammad never talked to God or even allah, at best he has the words of some unknown spirit that some woman told him was Gabrial. The more I learn about islam the more empty of reason do I find it.

bmz

Since: Mar 08

Singapore

#164242 Feb 18, 2013
Paul WV wrote:
<quoted text>
The quran teaches you nothing. You make demands on the Holy Bible that the koran can not pass. Where is the original koran? God never spoke to mohammad. The koran is the suppose sayings of an unknown spirit that some woman told mohammad was Gabrial.
Actually, I wrote the following:

A child of Satan would always speak nonsense like the Church fathers, who were the children of Satan, did.

I am a Muslim. Qur'aan teaches us to reason. Your faith and beliefs are not based up on any reason and logic.

The lies of Satan are as follows:

1. Jesus is the Son of God. Satan always had wanted to give God a Son and he did.

2. Jesus died for the sins of the world.

3. Jesus is God.

4. Jesus is God in flesh or in person.

5. The three members of the Trinity and their Godhead known as the Triune God.

What can be more Satanic than this, Septic?"

Now, what has your reply got to do with my post?
Alex123 aka WM

London, UK

#164243 Feb 18, 2013
bmz wrote:
Paul,
You wrote:
"Jesus from the cross asked His Father to forgive those who crucified Him for they knew not what they were doing. Luke 23:34"
And I asked:
"So, who were those people, who crucified him and did not know what they were doing?
Were they Muslims?"
Answer this please and then ask questions.
Why didn't this foolish BJ make his mind up?
The crosstians claim that BJ's godly quality was shining through his ability to forgive...and infact they quote some funny "forgiving" by BJ.
But now BJ has got no power and he is begging "daddy..daddy...save me....if you can't save me...let me try saying forgive them...and may be they will feel sorry and let me go?"

- It is absolutely no use for the loser or victim to forgive the victor or oppressor.
When the victor or oppressor forgives you it have real value!

Paul WV is in his little world worshipping a naked man who failed to convince the Jews that he was their Messiah...How embarrassing!

bmz

Since: Mar 08

Singapore

#164244 Feb 18, 2013
Paul WV,

Christian apologists (excuse-makers) quote Isaiah, Jeremiah, Micah, Ezekiel and others to show that those prophets made statements and you have their own statements to show. Right?

Why don't you present statements direct from Jesus' own mouth, if you have any, to show the following and be done with it?

Absurd statements from Jesus like the following:

Jesus said, "I am the Son of God".

Jesus said, "Philip, I am the Father".

Jesus said, "I am God in flesh".

Jesus said, "I am God in person".

Jesus said, "I am God Incarnate".

Jesus said, "I am the Messiah, you have been waiting for".

Jesus said, "My Father and I are one and the same person".

I know that neither the entire Church machinery nor you, can quote Jesus for making those foolish statements.
Alex123 aka WM

London, UK

#164245 Feb 18, 2013
Paul WV wrote:
<quoted text>
mohammad never talked to God or even allah, at best he has the words of some unknown spirit that some woman told him was Gabrial. The more I learn about islam the more empty of reason do I find it.
The difference between you and believers is that YOU SINCERELY BELIEVE THAT YOU ARE a SINNER a BORN SINNER.

We are NOT!!!

BY WORSHIPPING A MAN YOU CONTINUE TO BE A SINNER.....!!!!!

we are NOT!!

bmz

Since: Mar 08

Singapore

#164246 Feb 18, 2013
Paul WV wrote:
<quoted text>
mohammad never talked to God or even allah, at best he has the words of some unknown spirit that some woman told him was Gabrial. The more I learn about islam the more empty of reason do I find it.
Broken 78 RPM Christian record (His Master's Voice)
rabbee yehoshooah adam

Denver, CO

#164247 Feb 18, 2013
bmz wrote:
<quoted text>
Rabbee, it does not matter but Buford, who was never inside the TheTorah, thinks that I judge him. I can't judge a fool. It is useless to judge a fool.
However, when Buford writes something absurd, I judge him and notify him at the same time.
I am myself in theTwo books. Some theLiars are already here. Please meet Shamma, Paul WV, Colonna and Ali.
Salaams, Rabbee
rabbee: oh! do you think that judge it, in the heading means you have not been a fool judging another fool with your foolishness? and you do judge everyone, for not being a muslem. just the fact that you pretend you are true, judges everone else with your own errant standard. even explitives, and bang phrases are a means of errant judgement. even i am sitting in judgement of you now, for never saying one thing true to G-D here in TheHappening. but then it is my assignment from G-D, to judge not just jews, christians, muslems, but the whole world the living and the dead. so whose assignment is more, yours from allegededly muhammed or mine directly from G-D? so i really don't care if your religion, is allegedly the only true religion to yourselves. cause neither muhammed, nor angel, nor G-D, wrote your quran. no more than G-D, wrote any other of this worlds new testaments. cause you all think, G-D giving TheWhole Torah even till the end of day six is a joke. cause i guarentee, if the jews hate TheG-D of Only TheTorah here in it, you do too.

bmz

Since: Mar 08

Singapore

#164248 Feb 18, 2013
Alex123 aka WM wrote:
<quoted text>
Why do you like a robot...use upper cases?
Moses was the way, the truth and the life during his time and NO ONE DARED go to God the Father, but through Moses.
Let's vote for Moses who was much more credible than BJ? or Jacob?
Jacob was also Son of God.
Moses for Son of God!
Many Israelites were son of god.
We have SONS by the TON!
Let's worship the LOT!
oh..Worship Lot too?
lol..........
BJ is NOT God and BJ is not at all a credible candidate.
The day, the biblical Jesus started "Follow me!", men lost their sense of reason.
JOEL

Mumbai, India

#164249 Feb 18, 2013
MARRIAGE IS AN ARTIFICIAL INSTITUTION:

1) The human being is the most intelligent but the most dangerous animal on earth.

2) Where sex is concerned, humans are more obsessed with sex than the animals.

3) For entertainment and appeasement of sexual urges, humans have devised means like porn and prostitution.

4) Human beings rape people and in many cases force their own children, especially young girls, into prostitution.

5) There are millions of cases of biological fathers raping and impregnating their own daughters.

6) Humans have invented divorce and polygyny to satiate the sex urge since mating just one partner tends to wear off after a time - variety is the spice of life!

7) Humans are less faithful than animals but yet human beings have invented marriage to serve as a permanent bond between man and woman.

8) If the human species was meant to be strictly monogamous, then, we'd not lust after dozens of persons of the opposite or of the same sex as the case may be. Our attention would be fixated on just a single partner that we'd marry via arranged marriage and all thoughts of lusting after other individuals or indulging in pre or extra marital sex would be absent from our mind.

9) Marriage is as such an artifical institution and if maintaining psychological, vital-emotional and physical stability is the aim then the way out is to refrain from drawing in the psycho-vital-emotional-physica l energies from multiple partners by sticking to just one partner and if the condition is this that man and woman should stay chaste till marriage without sex thoughts crossing the mind and stay away from ogling others or entering into sexual affairs then monogamy should have been ingrained in human nature which it is not.

10) Partners can live togther and remain loyal to each other if that is in their nature even without exchanging mumbo jumbo religious vows.
rabbee yehoshooah adam

Denver, CO

#164250 Feb 18, 2013
bmz wrote:
<quoted text>
Rabbee,
It is true that Jesus and his disciples worshipped the moon god. They based all their religious festivals on the monthly appearance of their moon god.
If it is not true, then how come they waited every month for their moon god to appear?
rabbee: and just how do you expect to prove, i worship the moon g-d even in this second coming? or just because the calendar of today is based on the earth revolving around the sun, that i worship the sun g-d. when even the book of Revelation, specificly told you that. and your final prophet muhammed, did not even see that coming.
Paul WV

Beckley, WV

#164251 Feb 18, 2013
bmz wrote:
<quoted text>
Actually, I wrote the following:
A child of Satan would always speak nonsense like the Church fathers, who were the children of Satan, did.
I am a Muslim. Qur'aan teaches us to reason. Your faith and beliefs are not based up on any reason and logic.
The lies of Satan are as follows:
1. Jesus is the Son of God. Satan always had wanted to give God a Son and he did.
2. Jesus died for the sins of the world.
3. Jesus is God.
4. Jesus is God in flesh or in person.
5. The three members of the Trinity and their Godhead known as the Triune God.
What can be more Satanic than this, Septic?"
Now, what has your reply got to do with my post?
Your replies never apply to my post just your anti-Christian diatribe.

islam is empty of any reason so muslims can only attack Christianity and not defend islam. Any attempt by muslims to defend islam is swiftly dismissed with reason an logic.
Paul WV

Beckley, WV

#164252 Feb 18, 2013
bmz wrote:
Paul WV,
Christian apologists (excuse-makers) quote Isaiah, Jeremiah, Micah, Ezekiel and others to show that those prophets made statements and you have their own statements to show. Right?
Why don't you present statements direct from Jesus' own mouth, if you have any, to show the following and be done with it?
Absurd statements from Jesus like the following:
Jesus said, "I am the Son of God".
Jesus said, "Philip, I am the Father".
Jesus said, "I am God in flesh".
Jesus said, "I am God in person".
Jesus said, "I am God Incarnate".
Jesus said, "I am the Messiah, you have been waiting for".
Jesus said, "My Father and I are one and the same person".
I know that neither the entire Church machinery nor you, can quote Jesus for making those foolish statements.
Show where God told mohammad directly he was his messenger. God never talked to mohammad and neither did allah.
Paul WV

Beckley, WV

#164253 Feb 18, 2013
bmz wrote:
<quoted text>
Broken 78 RPM Christian record (His Master's Voice)
You can't refute it.

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