Who Is Allah?

Who Is Allah?

There are 256388 comments on the The Brussels Journal story from Aug 24, 2007, titled Who Is Allah?. In it, The Brussels Journal reports that:

“Allah is a very beautiful word for God. Shouldn't we all say that from now on we will name God Allah? [...] What does God care what we call him?”

From the desk of Soeren Kern on Fri, 2007-08-24 11:56 Europeans love to mock the salience of religion in American society. via The Brussels Journal

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“Legumes of the World Unite ”

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#158772 Jan 16, 2013
HughBe wrote:
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Their source of pleasure i.e. shiT reflects their minds and indeed actions are merely a reflection of the mind.
from the guy who never misses an opportunity to slide in there with a sexual innuendo

Rich.
truth

Lesmurdie, Australia

#158773 Jan 16, 2013
People stop if they can't understood your language.
why you think others is not good..only you and your god other people not call god Alla..no

Many tribe as well many language calling God as Creator deference name its look like that..meaning..Is meaning some? yes yes yes meaning is some God is always God.

“Legumes of the World Unite ”

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#158775 Jan 16, 2013
Frijoles wrote:
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from the guy who never misses an opportunity to slide in there with a sexual innuendo
Rich.
My Bad - I just reread my comment. oops on the "slide". Unintended.
uhuh

Jumilla, Spain

#158776 Jan 16, 2013
"Bring the men out let us know them" (Gen 19:5)

Rashi: "know them" by mishkav zachar (lying with man), as in verse 8 "I have two daughters who have not known men"

the other great tafsirs, Genesis Rabbah and Targum Yonathan, also interpret "know them" here the same way
uhuh

Jumilla, Spain

#158777 Jan 16, 2013
Heb. "kadesh" meaning a male prostitute (e.g. in Deut 23:17) is translated to "porneuon" in LXX, and "sodomite" in KJV
Frijoles wrote:
I see nothing wrong with sodomites
uhuh

Jumilla, Spain

#158778 Jan 16, 2013
to muslims, Lot was God's messenger sent to warn the people of Sodom (e.g. Quran 54:36)

to christians, Lot was a righteous man with a righteous soul (2Peter 2:7)

to the jewish sages, "Lot chose to settle at Sodom so that he might behave as they did. This wicked man was perverted with lust" (Tanhuma), "Lot lusted after his own daughter" (Gen Rabbah), He, like the serpent, is yetzer ha-Ra and is called Lot, meaning "cursed" in Aramaic (Zohar)
a reflection of how their minds work

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#158779 Jan 16, 2013
uhuh wrote:
"Bring the men out let us know them" (Gen 19:5)
Rashi: "know them" by mishkav zachar (lying with man), as in verse 8 "I have two daughters who have not known men"
the other great tafsirs, Genesis Rabbah and Targum Yonathan, also interpret "know them" here the same way
you are on a repeat cycle here. I already said, a few times, there is no doubt there was funny business involved.

The question I just posed to Huggy is whether this is an abomination, BASED upon the that particular portion of the text alone - i.e. going to leviticus is out of bounds.

There was other funny business involved as well - rape, and inhospitality. Any of those could be the sin that provoked Mr Fire and Brimstone, and my reading of the primary text is that the other two funny businesses are more likely the culprits, IMO

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#158780 Jan 16, 2013
uhuh wrote:
to muslims, Lot was God's messenger sent to warn the people of Sodom (e.g. Quran 54:36)
to christians, Lot was a righteous man with a righteous soul (2Peter 2:7)
to the jewish sages, "Lot chose to settle at Sodom so that he might behave as they did. This wicked man was perverted with lust" (Tanhuma), "Lot lusted after his own daughter" (Gen Rabbah), He, like the serpent, is yetzer ha-Ra and is called Lot, meaning "cursed" in Aramaic (Zohar)
a reflection of how their minds work
Out of context. A few passages down LOT has SEX with his daughters. Of COURSE the commentators are going to give him a critical rap. Be real.

I dotn speak for the Christian scriptures.

More a reflection of hor YOUR MIND works.

Not impressive.

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#158781 Jan 16, 2013
uhuh wrote:
Heb. "kadesh" meaning a male prostitute (e.g. in Deut 23:17) is translated to "porneuon" in LXX, and "sodomite" in KJV
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still see nothing wrong with sodomites. Nothing linking the word linguistically to the "abomination" you are concerned about.

we can argue this to you are blue in the breat, but that isnt going to change the Hebrew.
Alex123 aka WM

London, UK

#158784 Jan 16, 2013
bmz wrote:
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You're right. Qur'aan does not say that.
Only hardcore polemicists, Christian fanatics, sex maniacs, perverts and bloody ignorant fools say that.
Salaams, Mahmood
lol...the ones who get to heaven...get whatever they wish for...and not many women wish for virgin boys!
Heaven also works on the principal of supply and demand...
The demand is for virgin girls!!
Oh well...this is the lighter side of Da'wah?
Salaams...
Alex123 aka WM

London, UK

#158785 Jan 16, 2013
Frijoles wrote:
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I asked you this a few times already and I will ask you again
Where in the Genesis narrative regarding Sodom does it say that sex with men is an abomination?
Thats right. It doesnt.
There is a much stronger argument for hospitality - and even that is NOT singled out with that particular choice of language that you have BORROWED from another, later, section of bible.
Lets stay focused on the story.
Thank you for promoting the edited/corrected non-gentile books written by tribal sexist racist bigoted anti gentile men...who according to you ALSO vote with their asses in favour of homosexuality...
LOL...
What God made unlawful is lawful and what God made lawful is unlawful, eh.....
Alex123 aka WM

London, UK

#158786 Jan 16, 2013
The non-gentile books are full of man made tales promoted as words from God.
There is a movement to surgically remove the non gentile books from the Gentile pagan books that can stand on their own thanks to St. Paul.
The Gentiles don't need a whole host of non-gentile rhetoric just to use a few verses to justify the case of the Gentile Messiah.
Alex123 aka WM

London, UK

#158787 Jan 16, 2013
Mahmood wrote:
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Where in the Koran does it say that women will get virgin boys? There is no mention of heavenly delights for women in paradise.
Aww....they are having fun because they ARE the virgins in heaven you blissfully ignorant "brother"!!!
Ask yourself this...
Take a sample of 100 men and 100 women...
What percentage from each sex wants a virgin from the opposite sex?
lol.......
men wish for inexperience and women want experience...
uhuh

Jumilla, Spain

#158788 Jan 16, 2013
Frijoles wrote:
A few passages down, LOT had SEX with his daughters. OF COURSE the commentators are going to give him a critical rap. Be real.
Not impressive.
the thing is, not all Jewish sources vilify him (but OF COURSE you don't know that lol),

Lot was "the righteous man delivered from the fire which fell down upon the five cities" (Wisdom of Solomon 10:6)
"Lot accompanied our patriarch Abram and learned from his good deeds" (Pirke R.Eliezer)
"Lot was a wholly righteous man" (Alphabet of Sirach)

the same story of drunken Lot raped by his daughters were also read by christians, yet they still think of him as righteous ...because they do not have the mindset of: good is evil, evil is good
uhuh

Jumilla, Spain

#158789 Jan 16, 2013
Frijoles wrote:
I already said, a few times, there is no doubt there was funny business involved. The question is whether this is an abomination, BASED upon the that particular portion of the text alone - i.e. going to Leviticus is out of bounds.
There was other funny business involved as well - rape, and inhospitality. Any of those could be the sin, IMO.
Still see nothing wrong with sodomites. Nothing linking the word linguistically to the "abomination" you are concerned about.
i am not concerned about the word "abomination" or other words at all
i am concerned about someone who says rape and mishkav zachar (lying with man) are "funny business"
Frijoles wrote:
I still see nothing wrong with sodomites
going to Leviticus is out of bounds IMO
that is a reflection of how your mind works lol

“Legumes of the World Unite ”

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#158790 Jan 16, 2013
Alex123 aka WM wrote:
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Thank you for promoting the edited/corrected non-gentile books written by tribal sexist racist bigoted anti gentile men...who according to you ALSO vote with their asses in favour of homosexuality...
LOL...
What God made unlawful is lawful and what God made lawful is unlawful, eh.....
all I ask if that people read the primary text.

simple, really - yet people are STILL argueing straw man arguments with me

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#158791 Jan 16, 2013
uhuh wrote:
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i am not concerned about the word "abomination" or other words at all
i am concerned about someone who says rape and mishkav zachar (lying with man) are "funny business"
<quoted text>
that is a reflection of how your mind works lol
if you have issue with my euphemisms I cant help you there. Thats beyond my scope here.

get a thicker skin I suppose

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#158792 Jan 16, 2013
uhuh wrote:
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the thing is, not all Jewish sources vilify him (but OF COURSE you don't know that lol),
Lot was "the righteous man delivered from the fire which fell down upon the five cities" (Wisdom of Solomon 10:6)
"Lot accompanied our patriarch Abram and learned from his good deeds" (Pirke R.Eliezer)
"Lot was a wholly righteous man" (Alphabet of Sirach)
the same story of drunken Lot raped by his daughters were also read by christians, yet they still think of him as righteous ...because they do not have the mindset of: good is evil, evil is good
But Lot was not evil per se. Some of his actions were evil.

Basic difference between a lot of Christianity and a lot of Judaism. Character vs behavior.

I know more than you. I can at least understand the language.

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#158793 Jan 16, 2013
uhuh wrote:
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that is a reflection of how your mind works lol
rich comment from the poster whose prima reason for posting is ALWAYS to put the other's religion down.
HughBe

Kingston, Jamaica

#158799 Jan 16, 2013
Frijoles wrote:
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I asked you this a few times already and I will ask you again
Where in the Genesis narrative regarding Sodom does it say that sex with men is an abomination?
Thats right. It doesnt.
There is a much stronger argument for hospitality - and even that is NOT singled out with that particular choice of language that you have BORROWED from another, later, section of bible.
Lets stay focused on the story.
HughBe--- Greetings Frijoles, I shall now be giving you and your rabbis the day's lessons.

Lesson 1--- Men having sex with other men whether or not rape is involved is an ABOMINATION to God.

Lesson 2--- God does NOT change and so what is an abomination from creation will remain an abomination for all times. Apply this to the Lot story.

Lesson 3-- God did not suddenly, with the giving of the Law to Israel, decided to classify somethings as abominations. What are abominations to God has not changed and will never change. Recall, you and your rabbis have learnt that He does not change.

Proof:"For all these ABOMINATIONS have the men of the land done, which [were] before you, and the land is DEFILED"

So the concept of ABOMINATIONS did not start with the giving of the law and every jackass knows this.

Lesson 4--- The law of God endures forever.

Frijoles---I asked you this a few times already and I will ask you again

HughBe--- Delusional. There is no question that you can ask that I would need to avoid.

Frijoles---Where in the Genesis narrative regarding Sodom does it say that sex with men is an abomination?

HughBe--- Lesson 5. Where in the Genesis account was Cain told that MURDER was wrong/sinful? Where in the Genesis account do you find that Joseph was told that SEXING Potiphar's wife was WICKEDNESS?

Get it?

Frijoles---Thats right. It doesnt.

HughBe--- Correct it doesn't. Lesson 6-- That does not mean that it was not known. Get it? see above with Cain and Joseph.

Frijoles---There is a much stronger argument for hospitality - and even that is NOT singled out with that particular choice of language that you have BORROWED from another, later, section of bible.
Lets stay focused on the story

HughBe--- Lesson 7. The bible does NOT speak about hospitality. YOUR rabbis do and inject it into the equation. What the bible clearly speaks about is SEX and in particular man to man sex. Plus using the concept of line upon line WE know that man to man sex is an ABOMINATION.

Why go to the Ezekiel passages 1000 years later to get the meaning of what happened in Genesis?

The very poor level of argument and reasoning that you have put forward is expected from you and your rabbis.I am not surprised.

Share the new information with them i.e. lessons 1-7.

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