Jesus Christ's name found in the Tanakh

Jesus Christ's name found in the Tanakh

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HughBe

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#2 Jan 29, 2013
In Habakkuk 3:13 we read LITERALLY from the original Hebrew: Thou wentest forth with the YESHA [variant of ESHUA-Jesus] of [or for] thy people; with YESHUA thy MESSIAH [thine Anointed One: i.e., with Jesus thy Anointed] thou woundest the head of the house of the wicked one [Satan].

http://www.menorah.org/yeshname.html

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#3 Jan 29, 2013
FGS
yeshua is a feminin name. You would give that to a girl.
In the ODES OF SOLOMON the son is a cup filled with the overflowing milk of his fathers bossoms.
That's early 2nd c. CE christian writing in it's infancy.
If you did not get the feminin aspect by now, you never will.

Any name of jesus did not even exist in the earliest 'christian' writings. We had to wait till around at least the 4th century and probably later before they inserted that.

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#4 Jan 29, 2013
le.yee.suu, one word. And it's not french.
http://biblos.com/habakkuk/3-13.htm
the salvation.

I find it rather staggering that some people pretend to understand and be able to translate such a difficult text like habakuk (that's apart from the qumran 1Q pesjer comments.) simply by christian conviction.
HughBe

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#5 Jan 29, 2013
MAAT wrote:
le.yee.suu, one word. And it's not french.
http://biblos.com/habakkuk/3-13.htm
the salvation.
I find it rather staggering that some people pretend to understand and be able to translate such a difficult text like habakuk (that's apart from the qumran 1Q pesjer comments.) simply by christian conviction.
It is my hope that you have at least grasped the fact the the author/translator is a JEW. Read and understand.

1."MY JEWISH PEOPLE would always fling at me this challenging question,"If Jesus is our Messiah, and the whole Old Testament is about Him,how come His name is never mentioned
in It even once?"

2."This text was so forcibly brought home to my soul soon after I was CONVERTED over 24 years ago, that I saw the whole plan of the Old Testament in that one ineffable and blessed NAME."

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Another translation done by a Jew who claims to be orthodox. Read sloowly.

"Something very interesting occurred one spring in St. Louis: I was visiting in the home of our friends, Brother and Mrs. Charles Siegelman, and another Jew was present there. He claimed Jewish orthodoxy for his creed. Of course the conversation centered around Him Who is the Center of all things -- Jesus.

This good Jewish brother opposed the claims of Yeshua in the Old Testament verbally, and in a friendly fashion, most violently. His best offensive weapon, he thought, was to fling at me and at all of us there the well-known challenge: "You can't find the name of 'Jesus' in the Old Testament;" and this he did.

I did not answer him directly, but asked him to translate for us from my Hebrew Bible, Isaiah 62:11. Being a Hebrew scholar, he did so with utmost ease, rapidly, and correctly; and HERE IS is what and how HE translated that text VERBATIM: Behold, Jehovah has proclaimed unto the end of the world. Say ye to the daughter of Zion, Behold thy YESHUA[ Jesus] cometh; behold, His reward is with Him, and His work before Him. "
HughBe

Kingston, Jamaica

#6 Jan 29, 2013
VERBATIM by an orthodox member of Judaism.

" Behold, Jehovah has proclaimed unto the end of the world. Say ye to the daughter of Zion, Behold thy YESHUA[ Jesus] cometh; behold, His reward is with Him, and His work before Him. " Isaiah 62:11

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#7 Jan 29, 2013
HughBe wrote:
<quoted text>
It is my hope that you have at least grasped the fact the the author/translator is a JEW. Read and understand.
1."MY JEWISH PEOPLE would always fling at me this challenging question,"If Jesus is our Messiah, and the whole Old Testament is about Him,how come His name is never mentioned
in It even once?"
2."This text was so forcibly brought home to my soul soon after I was CONVERTED over 24 years ago, that I saw the whole plan of the Old Testament in that one ineffable and blessed NAME."
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Another translation done by a Jew who claims to be orthodox. Read sloowly.
"Something very interesting occurred one spring in St. Louis: I was visiting in the home of our friends, Brother and Mrs. Charles Siegelman, and another Jew was present there. He claimed Jewish orthodoxy for his creed. Of course the conversation centered around Him Who is the Center of all things -- Jesus.
This good Jewish brother opposed the claims of Yeshua in the Old Testament verbally, and in a friendly fashion, most violently. His best offensive weapon, he thought, was to fling at me and at all of us there the well-known challenge: "You can't find the name of 'Jesus' in the Old Testament;" and this he did.
I did not answer him directly, but asked him to translate for us from my Hebrew Bible, Isaiah 62:11. Being a Hebrew scholar, he did so with utmost ease, rapidly, and correctly; and HERE IS is what and how HE translated that text VERBATIM: Behold, Jehovah has proclaimed unto the end of the world. Say ye to the daughter of Zion, Behold thy YESHUA[ Jesus] cometh; behold, His reward is with Him, and His work before Him. "
STOP PLAGIARIZING

cite.

That quote comes from http://www.menorah.org/yeshname.html
which is a Messianic Christina website - an obvious evangelical bias

you are pathetic
HughBe

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#8 Jan 29, 2013
Frijoles wrote:
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STOP PLAGIARIZING
cite.
That quote comes from http://www.menorah.org/yeshname.html
which is a Messianic Christina website - an obvious evangelical bias
you are pathetic
Look young Frijoles, I have no interest in bruising the head of a serpent/you tonight so behave.

My very FIRST words in the post that you have now responded to show that it was a follow-up post. The link was given in the first post. Try to understand this, BOY.

Read them again --It is my hope that you have at least grasped the fact the the AUTHOR/translator is a JEW. Read and understand.

1."MY JEWISH PEOPLE would always fling at me this challenging question,"If Jesus is our Messiah, and the whole Old Testament is about Him,how come His name is never mentioned
in It even once?"

Finally, your comment is typical of you along with lies and deception. Back down, BOY.

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#9 Jan 30, 2013
HughBe wrote:
<quoted text>
Look young Frijoles, I have no interest in bruising the head of a serpent/you tonight so behave.
My very FIRST words in the post that you have now responded to show that it was a follow-up post. The link was given in the first post. Try to understand this, BOY.
Read them again --It is my hope that you have at least grasped the fact the the AUTHOR/translator is a JEW. Read and understand.
1."MY JEWISH PEOPLE would always fling at me this challenging question,"If Jesus is our Messiah, and the whole Old Testament is about Him,how come His name is never mentioned
in It even once?"
Finally, your comment is typical of you along with lies and deception. Back down, BOY.
The source is a Messianic Christian website which exists to evangelicize. Therefore the story has credibility problems.

Its that simple.
HughBe

Kingston, Jamaica

#10 Jan 30, 2013
Frijoles wrote:
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The source is a Messianic Christian website which exists to evangelicize. Therefore the story has credibility problems.
Its that simple.
The only credible sources, in your mind, are Judaism and its rabbis. I KNOW better.

Why do you HATE Jews who believe in a FELLOW Jew i.e. Jesus?

The AUTHOR is a JEW and I stated it, so why the HATE?

The fact is, based on the conduct of ALL the Judahites on this forum one can positively state that TRUTH and HONESTY is NOT valued in Judaism. Put it this way, Judahites have a MAJOR credibility issue and INTEGRITY issue. Those are the FACTS.

Take your time and surprise me with an intelligent response.

I must go now. See you approximately 3 hours from now.
HughBe

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#11 Jan 30, 2013
TRUTH and HONESTY are NOT valued in Judaism

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#12 Jan 30, 2013
HughBe wrote:
<quoted text>
It is my hope that you have at least grasped the fact the the author/translator is a JEW. Read and understand.
1."MY JEWISH PEOPLE would always fling at me this challenging question,"If Jesus is our Messiah, and the whole Old Testament is about Him,how come His name is never mentioned
in It even once?"
2."This text was so forcibly brought home to my soul soon after I was CONVERTED over 24 years ago, that I saw the whole plan of the Old Testament in that one ineffable and blessed NAME."
----------
Another translation done by a Jew who claims to be orthodox. Read sloowly.
"Something very interesting occurred one spring in St. Louis: I was visiting in the home of our friends, Brother and Mrs. Charles Siegelman, and another Jew was present there. He claimed Jewish orthodoxy for his creed. Of course the conversation centered around Him Who is the Center of all things -- Jesus.
This good Jewish brother opposed the claims of Yeshua in the Old Testament verbally, and in a friendly fashion, most violently. His best offensive weapon, he thought, was to fling at me and at all of us there the well-known challenge: "You can't find the name of 'Jesus' in the Old Testament;" and this he did.
I did not answer him directly, but asked him to translate for us from my Hebrew Bible, Isaiah 62:11. Being a Hebrew scholar, he did so with utmost ease, rapidly, and correctly; and HERE IS is what and how HE translated that text VERBATIM: Behold, Jehovah has proclaimed unto the end of the world. Say ye to the daughter of Zion, Behold thy YESHUA[ Jesus] cometh; behold, His reward is with Him, and His work before Him. "
1. You've been at jews since forever in my recollection, so how would his jewishness suddenly be a guarantee!
The fallacy of authority.
2. Well converted or not he can't read properly or is not up to date with grammar.

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Little itermezzo of my own:
Indeed SALVATION leyesu was to be his name. FOR ALL SALVATION IS OF YHWH. I do know you must be famiiar with that.
Not of man, i got quoted against me this morning, psalm 118:8
Jesus was a man...they heard him say.
Then we have the failed messiah idea, and as a prophet it also did not work out that fine. Furthermore that a name was only added centuries later, as explored in the topic on the codex sinaiticus.
Nor did g-d ever have a literal son.
But back to the next information you gave.
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Verbatim the orthodox scholar, jewish said JEHOVAH!
Well than the man was never schooled in reading hebrew properly.
When one sees the diacretic markings , one must know that another title needs inserting, and only uneducated people make the mistake of reading yhvh and the diacretic markings.
So again i'm not at all convinced that orthodox and jew add authority here.
And you took note of 'jewsforjesus'? So bias might be evident.
Let me look up isaiah 62:11 to see what's really there.

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#13 Jan 30, 2013
This afternoon i stumbled or rather narrowly avoided a toddler. I took a step to the side, felt something soft and small and for all i knew it could have been a baby in a buggy.
This kid had sat itself on the floor were everone stops to buy. Kind of like a boobytrap and no demining parents in sight.
So everything hurts. The kid was fine, as they usually are, and again without parental supervision went boobytrapping further on in the store.
Darn training and reflexes and not having the bod to execute a good safe.
And if kids are badly behaved i can tell you why!

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#14 Jan 30, 2013
http://interlinearbible.org/isaiah/62-11.htm
yish-'êk...ish(j)uk short e sound, like in 'luck'
The (j) is just to make the connection, so hardly voiced.
Her salvation. yish +'êk

That a mother gets advised to call her baby salvation, in what were dire times, can be understood. But this does not mean that jesaiah 62:11 refers in any way or form to a man centuries later, that's stuck with an aramaic feminin version. Bit of an oversight.
Salvation is still of YHWH!
So the aramaic version also points to the clear break christianity wanted to make from the G-dLAW and judaism in general.

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#15 Jan 30, 2013
yiš·‘ê&#7733; — 2 Occurrences
Your salvation but directed at her, and the one doing it is YHWH.
Isaiah 17:10
BIB:...
NAS: The GOD your salvation And have not remembered
KJV: the God of thy salvation, and hast not been mindful
INT: have forgotten the God of your salvation the rock of your refuge

Isaiah 62:11
BIB:....
NAS: Lo, your salvation comes;
KJV: of Zion, Behold, thy salvation cometh;
INT: of Zion Lo your salvation comes Behold

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#16 Jan 30, 2013
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#17 Jan 30, 2013
http://carm.org/jesus-name-really-yeshua
jesus different spelling, content of salvation and thus not the same.

...people pushing an agenda and not really believing in the new testament.

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#18 Jan 30, 2013
MAAT wrote:
FGS
yeshua is a feminin name. You would give that to a girl.
In the ODES OF SOLOMON the son is a cup filled with the overflowing milk of his fathers bossoms.
That's early 2nd c. CE christian writing in it's infancy.
If you did not get the feminin aspect by now, you never will.
Any name of jesus did not even exist in the earliest 'christian' writings. We had to wait till around at least the 4th century and probably later before they inserted that.
And none of the forms like IUXU or XAIA (and stranger) even remotely resemble the hebrew name. Evvery little bit of the content was first dicussed, and John is pure theology.
They however did not make such gross mistakes (if we don't want to call it replacement theology, which it is though) in the translation of the Tanakh. So understanding salvation and the names was not the problem.
The fact simply lies their that they went first for : simple man or handworkman, easy to convince, or they address the people were we later find the name inserted.

Frankly it's one or the other, you can't have both. the philosophy and interpretation is entirely different.

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#19 Jan 30, 2013
HughBe wrote:
TRUTH and HONESTY are NOT valued in Judaism
then why push the agenda of getting jesus in the hebrew book.
You are again hammering a square peg in a round hole.

Buy a book on grammar and find out for yourselve.

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#20 Jan 30, 2013
HughBe wrote:
<quoted text>
The only credible sources, in your mind, are Judaism and its rabbis. I KNOW better.
Why do you HATE Jews who believe in a FELLOW Jew i.e. Jesus?
The AUTHOR is a JEW and I stated it, so why the HATE?
The fact is, based on the conduct of ALL the Judahites on this forum one can positively state that TRUTH and HONESTY is NOT valued in Judaism. Put it this way, Judahites have a MAJOR credibility issue and INTEGRITY issue. Those are the FACTS.
Take your time and surprise me with an intelligent response.
I must go now. See you approximately 3 hours from now.
Because the website is FOS thats why

Its a Messianic Christian site - thats what they do....

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#21 Jan 30, 2013
HughBe wrote:
TRUTH and HONESTY are NOT valued in Judaism
Thank you for your opinion.

It is noted given the level of attention it deserves.

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