Origin of the bible's pagan god YHWH/YAHWEH
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#1 Jun 24, 2008
THIS IS INTERESTING THIS PAGAN PAULINE CULT AND JEWS PPL DESPITE OF SHOWING THE TRUE MEANING OF ALLAH TRY 2 SAY THAT ALLAH IS A MOON GOD N SO ON.So i decided 2 prepare a recipy of their pagan god YAHWEH/YHWH.
B4 that i like 2 Dismantling the Moongod Theory
once and 4 all.
41:37 Among His Signs are the Night and the Day and the sun and moon. ADORE NOT THE SUN AND THE MOON BUT ADORE ALLAH WHO CREATED THEM if it is Him ye wish to serve.
Frm the above verse it is clear allah has told not 2 qorship sun and moon.
Even those who like 2 say allah is a moon god they should have atleast the knowladge that a moon god will never say do not worship moon n sun as i have created them.
Final description of the god in quran as below.
Surah 112. Al-Ikhlas (The Unity, Sincerity, Oneness Of Allah)
1. Say: He is Allah, the One and Only;
2. Allah, the Eternal, Absolute;
3. He begetteth not, nor is He begotten;
4. And there is none like unto Him.
The other reason y muslims do not worship YAHWEH is as below.
A theologian Peters states that the Qur'an portrays Allah as both more powerful and more remote than Yahweh, and as a universal deity, unlike Yahweh who closely follows Israelites
-source:F.E. Peters, Islam, p.4, Princeton University Press, 2003
So it is called paganism 2 worship a god who is not a universal god.
Below is a simple origin of the PAGAN BIBLICAL GOD YAHWEH.
"Originally, these four consonants [in YHWH] represented the four members of the Heavenly Family: Y represented El the Father; H was Asherah the Mother; W corresponded to He the Son; and H was the Daughter Anath. In accordance with the royal traditions of the time and region, God's mysterious bride, the Matronit, was also reckoned to be his sister. In the Jewish cult of the Cabbala God's dual male-female image was perpetuated. Meanwhile other sects perceived the Shekinah or Matronit as the female presence of God on Earth. The divine marital chamber was the sanctuary of the Jerusalem Temple, but from the moment the Temple was destroyed, the Matronit was destined to roam the Earth while the male aspect of Jehovah was left to rule the heavens alone." - Laurence Gardner, Bloodline of the Holy Grail, p. 18
"Yahweh appears to have been originally a sky god - a god of thunder and lightning. He was associated with mountains and was called by the enemies of Israel 'a god of the hills'. His manifestation was often as fire,- Great Events of Bible Times
Scholars in the 19th century discussed over what sphere of nature Yahweh originally presided. Some recognized in him a storm god, a theory with which the derivation of the name from Hebrew hawah or Arabic hawa well accords (see also the Book of Job chapters 37-38). The association of Yahweh with storm and fire is frequent in the Old Testament. The thunder is the voice of Yahweh, the lightning his arrows, and the rainbow his bow. The revelation at Sinai is amid the awe-inspiring phenomena of tempest. Yahweh leads Israel through the desert in a pillar of cloud and fire. He kindles Elijah's altar by lightning, and translates the prophet in a chariot of fire. See also Judg. v. 4 seq.. In this way, he seems to have usurped the attributes of the Canaanite god Baal Hadad. In Ugarit, the struggle between Baal and Yam, suggests that Baal's brother Ya'a was a water divinity - the god of Rivers (Nahar) and of the Sea (Yam).
#2 Jun 24, 2008
I really like to thanks jesus-messiah .com site 4 exposing the pagn root of this PAGAN GOD YAHWEH.
Through this websites main intension was 2 demonize judaism n 2 lifting up jesus as elohim but while doing so this follish messianic jews/christian grp opened up a box of pandora.
As this site clearly states that bible recorded a paganic god so it can be now saying closing eyes that bible is a froged document n it is corrupted and as mythmaker paul and other writer of new testament used the verses of OT as the fulfillment of prophecy it must then can be said that NT is also a froged document as THE VERSES WHICH ARE NOT AUTHENTIC WHICH VERSES HOW THEY HAVE USED AS PROPHECY .
Even in NT the writers associated some verses with jesus.If jesus is god then how come he was not aware of this pagan cult god yahweh/YHWH .
This imply that jesus is not aware of it imply he is not god or none of those verses is frm jesus.
That was also a roged document.
IT IS UP 2 THE CHRISTIANS N JEWS WHEN THEY WILL ACCEPT THIS FROGERIES.
#3 May 16, 2009
The name YHWH dates back to the beginning of time as the name of the true God (Genesis 4:1-2, 26). Over time pagan practices came to corrupt YHWH worship, especially with ancient Israel. The name itself is the Holy name, the name that the Jews would not pronounce so as not to take it in vain.
jesus-messiah.com is full of lies. Not one word of it is true. Below is a copy of an e-mail I sent to Dr. Reckart, the founder of it.
Hello Dr. Reckart,
...Yah is not the name of the moon god; if you read it in hieroglyphs it is pronounced more like "yeghaha" or something of that nature. Even if it was pronounced the same as the name of the Hebrew God, that doesn't show any connection. It's similar to the argument that Jesus came from Zeus because they appear to sound similar (when in fact they don't). Also, you defend the name Elohim (a name applied to other gods) by saying the heathen borrowed it from the Hebrews. By the same token, could not the heathen have borrowed the name Yahweh from the Hebrews and applied it to there gods? We know for a fact the Israelites did this. In the golden calf incident they actually referred to the calf as YHWH!("tomorrow is a feast to YHWH")
Also, the name YHWH appears on many archeological findings as the name of the Hebrew God; the Lachish letters (587 BC), the Arad ostraca (600 BC; ostracon #18 mentions the house of YHWH), silver amulets which include the passage which says "may YHWH bless and keep you" (600 BC), a temple tablet (900 BC), a receit for silver donation to the temple (700 BC), the Moabite stone (846 BC; YHWH refers to the Hebrew God here, not an idol as you assert), ancient copies of the Septuagint (200 BC), the Dead Sea Scrolls (250 BC-60 AD), rock carvings in the Negev desert (Yahh, 1300 BC), and others. You're ignoring these things. The only people who would believe what you say are those who don't know anything.
Furthermore, the name Jesus was a very common name in Israel. It is not a divine name. Also, the word "Eh'yeh" is not a name, but a verb (that means "I will be"), and is used as a verb elsewhere in Hebrew. God simply applied it to himself to demonstrate his intent to deliver Israel. His name is YHWH. It is a Hebrew word, which grammatically speaking is the third person masculine singular form of hawah, which means "to breathe, or become". It is future progressive, and in the imperfect tense, implying continuing activity on behalf of his people, and his lordship of the universe.
You will be held accountable to God for what you teach. And the things you're teaching are plain lies. They are not true. If the things you're teaching are true, then let me ask you this: Did the name YHWH come from the moon god or Jupiter? You teach that it came from both, but not both can be true. Adam Clarke says the heathen borrowed YHWH from the Hebrews and formed their Jove, or Jupiter. So there goes your Jupiter argument. And then again, just because two words sound similar does not mean they're related.
As concerning your allegations that the name YHWH as written in the Dead Sea Scrolls was tampered with, the letter vav appears in that form in other Hebrew inscriptions. So there goes that "speculation".
I hope you realize the seriousness of the things you're teaching. Jesus said that blasphemy of the Holy Spirt is unforgiveable. If the name of God is YHWH (and it appears over 6500 times in the Bible), then wouldn't your teachings be blasphemy? Is it safe to say that Babylonian scribes interpolated something into the Scriptures over 6500 times without any evidence to support it? Please consider these things.(end of message)
There are many more lies by Dr. Reckart that I can't touch on in this post. This blasphemer will be held accountable for his teachings. Don't be fooled by ranters who don't have anything to support their claims.
#4 May 16, 2009
(2John 1:10 [KJV])
If there come any unto you, and bring not this doctrine, receive him not into [your] house, neither bid him God speed:
(2Pet 3:3 [KJV])
Knowing this first, that there shall come in the last days scoffers, walking after their own lusts,
(2Pet 3:4 [KJV])
And saying, Where is the promise of his coming? for since the fathers fell asleep, all things continue as [they were] from the beginning of the creation.
(2Pet 3:5 [KJV])
For this they willingly are ignorant of, that by the word of God the heavens were of old, and the earth standing out of the water and in the water:
(2Pet 3:6 [KJV])
Whereby the world that then was, being overflowed with water, perished:
(2Pet 3:7 [KJV])
But the heavens and the earth, which are now, by the same word are kept in store, reserved unto fire against the day of judgment and perdition of ungodly men.
Since: Apr 09
#5 Oct 6, 2009
Sort of an odd name you chose,cousin,but whatever floats your boat.
I'm wondering,my friend, would you look to find information about being Mu'min and what the words of the Quran mean on an anti-Islam website?Then why look to a hate group claiming Christian beliefs to learn what words are in Torah? Doesn't the Quran extol Torah and state that Isa came to confirm the words?Don't the Dead Sea Scrolls that predate Isa and match the Torah of today show the lies of the hate site?
Allah is not the moon god. Any fool, that even remotely understands,knows it means the One God.Those that say such parrot hate.
Don't both of us say "La illaha ill Allah al-ahad." I may say "Shema Yisroel,Adonai Elohaynu,Adonai Echod meaning Hear Oh Israel,The Lord is God,the Lord is One, but both mean the same thing.
I observe the Shariya of the bani Yitzhak [and] the bani Yakub.Then why not follow the Shariya of Islam you might ask.Because it is not fitting, it isn't 'Adab,' it's not fitting for a son to go in paths different than his father. So I come from the bani Yitzhak and bani Yakub and not from the bani Ismail, and so I have to follow the Shariya of my parents.Doesn't the Quran say you should tell the Jew to follow the Torah of Moshe?As a Jew,I can pray in a mosque if there is no synagogue near,but can not enter a church because it is a house of idol worship.
#6 Mar 11, 2010
YHWH's attributes often differ from El or Elohim's and through out the Bible YhWH will conquer El as in the Jupiter usurpation myth of Saturn. Don't believe? Just read Amos 5 it is exactly that proclamation.
In Habakkuk we read YHWH's Jovian attributes.
El is known for a fact to be the Caananite
god of Saturn.
While it is tenuous to argue that YHWH sounds like Jove, it is much more reliable to compare the ancient astrological attributes of Jupiter and YHWH. These comparisons strongly favor YHWH's origin as a Jovian god.
In Genesis 32 we see an exact parallel of Mercurian-Jovian myth with Jacob playing the part of Mercury and YHWH playing the part of Jove.
Throughout the Old Testsment we see YHWH having a divine consel just as did Jove, and this divine consel often is of 7 angels for the 7 planets of ancient astrology. Each angel often when mentioned is given the same attributes as other cultures of that area give to the 7 planets.
#7 Jul 13, 2010
In the shama, which you quoted, the word "adonai" is a replacement for "YHWH" or "the name". It is not general but specific in whom it is talking about. As correctly stated above, Hebrews did not say "the name" for fear of blashphemy. The name Allah is a derivative of "el" which was the Hebrew word for "god" this word was used for "other gods". The Hebrews used "Elohim" and other forms only as references to YHWH. Allah is arabic and its origins are from the canaanite polytheistic religions that surrounded Muhammad during the time that he was "inspired". YHWH calls for the rejection of these "gods" in THE TEN COMMANDMENTS. YHWH is not Allah.
#8 Jul 13, 2010
#9 Dec 1, 2010
Just like the koran is a copy cat of the Hebrew Bible, this guy is the same. He has apparently copied his statement the Yahweh is a sky god from another source in the internet and teh four letter of the tetragrammatton represents the for deities.
He is dead wrong. The four letter of the tetragrammatton is not YHWH as he copied and explained it but they are YHVH or Yod hey Vay hey, meanign the Self existing One.
People, to do not let the blind lead you; do not let scholars misled you. They are Satan"s agent for deception. It is the leaders of the people who often misled the people. They are scholars who the people looked up to. Beware!!!
#11 Dec 4, 2010
rabbee: enough with all your, someone elses lies.
YHVH: Ye Hoo VHee. Redemption is He And She. in case you have not read Bereeshees. in reference of THE OUR IMAGE, given to THE OUR BABY Adam, who is eventually revealed to be both adam and chaooah. which does not change, from the last time in TheTorah, to this again time here in TheTorah. G-D'S Story, does not change. no matter how much, all your lying pretends it has.
it is not yhwh, nor pronounced yaweh, or jhwh jehovah or allah.
#12 Dec 4, 2010
How many G_D, God, god and gods do you people have. Whether you write in G_D or God, whatever it is still pronounced as God adn so which god is whose god since they are all god or gods. God means idols. My ELOHIM is not god and there is only One ELOHIM Who made the heavens and the earth and there is none besides Him,neither is there any other before, nor after Him, His name is YAH, Ps. 68:4.
YOu folks adn go and argue till the cow comes home but it would only be a lie about His Saving Name.
#13 Dec 4, 2010
rabbee: There is but ONE True G-D, WHO is now givng TheWhole Torah just again. that none of you idolitors of other g-ds have ever truly believed in. if you always make the same mistake, then you always get the same story from EloHeem.
and even your own book of Revelation, says none of you gravy sucking lying clowns know my Name. more of less Pehter or Paool, you can't get right either.
and you all already forgot about, ThePromise, HaShem made to me and you grandmother sarah. to the both of us, the very last two time's here in always TheTorah. to all you! three time loser grandcritters.
and you all can't even, get your grandmother's name right. when there is no woman by the name of eve, mentioned anywhere in TheWhole Torah Scroll. because you sll prefer lies, rather than TheTruth.
Den Helder, Netherlands
#14 May 8, 2011
what root is used ha-wah or hawwa.
Why even try to reduce it to such a root!
Main question should be from whoms viewpoint we aproach the writing on the tablet.
ahi yawi not in cuneiform. As i recall. So the other forms are further removed from hittite ahhi(cityking of kings) yawi. Which is philo'logical' reduced to acheans.
So with (see judges 5 watertribes like dan and asher involved, and if we scrap NUN from manasseh we are left with MOSES...more water, or less depending on your viewpoint.)
The brother of Baal of ugarit. interesting.
Iara sa yam el...deadsea shelvesea(egyptian burial of the dead/underworld) goes/walks sea/yamgoddess he(akkadian, old babylonian , ebla suffix)
So in Jerusalem in one alternative way of reading we see the dead sea go underworld/underground.
As it does. With an ugarit touch.
An other way of reading is putting part of the first place of keeping the ark in combination with jebusalem.
More on judges 5 and the area.
Ain means source of water....the tubania of the crusaders was ancient fountain of Jezreel and now called Jalud. So do these ja, jez and other such forms all have to do with water?
They were used for 4000 years as pre and suffix and also in ebla.
Does seir really stand for seir or is the the hatti Tesub 'day'bull SERI that is replaced by the stormgod for 'night'bull HURRI.
The NAME does not matter...the quality does:
Tesub, jesub, adad (house of DD...david or...)elyon, marduk , seth, thot, indra, teshup, tarku, baal etc are all the same quantity...stormgods.
Near the events in Judges 5 we also find a place with the name Khan ???. Which puts in mind Manetho's Ianias, Ian or Khian which was a name also found in Knossos Crete and Baghdad near the Tigris, of a hyksos "rulers of countries' or more biblical:'Tidal king of nations'; according to Saye a hittite monarch.
Which at least gives some connection between hyksos and hittite. And trading nations cought between two powers as must have been the case around 1400 BCE.
Hittite document 14th-13th BCE
ahhi yawi or akki yawa hitt.brother
heb. brother, friend, possessor, worshipper.
ahhi(couriers of god, go betweens)-elohim-minor
logi-dhyan(wise serpents)Becomes achiave=achaeans
I hope all are familiar with Finkelstein and the mythic properties of the bible.
Also the timelines need adjusting. So abraham would be at most 500 years removed from moses, but even that i have to check.
Abraham born in sumer is engrandizement.
Of the weird sort because uru in anatolia is at least as old and had more to offer!
In any case mechelzedek and abraham had the same god...god most high...el elyon.
Ilias elyon can also be found in anatolia.
Quite close to ancient ugarit in fact we find DANAAN around 800 BC library city in assyrian hands. A bit higher the town up on high (ilion) that really is Troy defending Hattussas. Well can't recall all the facts for now.
But around 660 BCE homer wrote the Illias. From events taking place around 1200 BCE. A bit later the first part of the Hebraic bible saw the light of day. And then around 625 an old blind homer leaves DANAAN and in a differently edited way we read of the argos.
apropos;It is amazing how many old blind men tought reading and writing in different cultures.
What the above stories however all have in common is that for the first time we see stories of singlehanded combat between heroes or kings.
H.B david and goliath
Reminds me of that popular tune: two tribes go to war...where the clips shows presidents fighting each other.
Have we become uncivilized again?
Phoenician can be read straight from the stars i.e. the shapes of the letters.
Probably as trade language allready in use around well before 1600 BCE. From that time also as poetic language.
There are two topics concerned with yhwh or rather ahhi yawi. I tried to post in vain, twice in the other longer one of 117 comments.
Are some closed?
#15 May 8, 2011
Regardless of what all of you have said, Satan is wiser and he beats you all hollow. He has supplanted all religion and set himslef up at "the God of this world." And he has placed snares in every religion, every churches and every mosques.
He did not just place one snare but many so that which ever snare you walk into, you are trapped.
So you Muslim brother dont be too sure or bragg or be slammming the Jews or the Christians and you Jew dont be too sure or bragg or be slamming the Muslims or the Christian. Similarly you Christians, you are just another religion Satan has supplanted.
Do you know Who is God? The Muslim call Allah God, so did th eH]Jews call their ELOHIM God and so do the Christians. They are all God, which God is the God of the Jew, and which is the God fo the Muslim and Which is the Christinas. They are all but confusion, or babel.
Satan is a subtle foe and he gave man through mortal man many name for the Creator such as God, Lord, Jehovah, Yahweh, Allah and so forth so that you guys who are into religion may walk into his trap.
There is only one True and Living Elohim and He is not God. He is the Mighty one who Created the heavens and the earth and there is none others beside Him, neither is ther any before nor after HIm.
The God of this world have eyes that cannot see, ear that cannot hear and mouth that cannot talk, hands that cannot move.
And ELOHIM is not YHWH or YAHweh but YHVH or YAH is His Name, Psalms 68:4. The messengers in heaven adn the twenty four elders fall before HIim and shout Hallelu YAH or Praise be to YAH. So who could tell me YAH or YHVH is a pagan god's name?
People, Satan has succeeded in messing up this world so badly through religion that ther are so much lies in every religion, you ought to watch. The Kingdom of YAH has only truth--and ye shall know the truth and the truth shall set you free. If you are not fre then you dont have the truth. If you understand what this means blessed art thou.
#16 May 8, 2011
I am amaze people chould be so deceived as to write such garbage.
If you want to know the truth this is it!
There are more... study and be shocked
Den Helder, Netherlands
#17 May 9, 2011
Ever looked up the etymology of allah?
I did in several languages.
But the first time we see an inscription of the name it is in a dialect HUREIDHA script related to protosinatic found in the northern reach of Saudi Arabia.
Once known as Allaso (have to look that one up)
Long story short they found allah SALM (Salem).
Allah simply meaning 'god'. Salem in the meaning of dusk. Sharek "dawn' being the brother.
El in the time of the unformed sea fertilised two women (astart and aanaat) who gave birt to salem and sharek.
Salem as in urusalem used to be nearer to the territory of Dan. Mechelzedek and mnt. Gerazim not being were Jeruzalem is now.
Merodach/naram-sin/(ni)mrod, held the area + mesopotamia all the way to the mountains.
Alaha, oleh etc. all simply mean god.
But the god meant would in actual fact be Salem.
Who kan tell me more about jebus, very elusive.
Poor lost soul with a reading or rather interpreting problem.
The world or whatever will come to an end but not because it is written for the various scriptures, word of god and timelapse cancel that apocalyptic notion.
The meaning of Galah is also to be contemplated.
It does not mean revelation but rather being taken away against once will to a strange land/place.
Rapture in a way.
Lucifer is supposed to ascent and become god=ascended.
For a while the aramean(marcus written in late aramean)person jesus was thought to be this lucifer.
Planets do f.i.
Satan used to have the meaning of adversary as in someone not open to reasonable argument.
Everything else is of middle-evil concoction.
But a christian first has to believe in evil before he is capable of believing in the son of god/god.
Let me get back when i've found the context, original source, meaning etc.
Since it hinges on this Lucifer thing, i.m.o.
Den Helder, Netherlands
#18 May 9, 2011
A hittite king/general called abram my lord. so 1800 BCE would be the earliest.
Nice to do away with a gap of 1200 years.
Eberu: binds enclose.(Albrecht Götze)
Eusebius quoting alexander polyhistor: Artanapus in his jewish history says that jews were called Ermiuth...hebrews...from abraham, parethotes king of egypt(On) taught him astrology.
Strabo on Egypts'name: Aigaiou huptios 'below the Aegean', so people from Misr did not give the Aegean it's name. Heb. called it Mizr áyim 'the two straits', so they knew it from a time referring to a dynastic seperation.
Abram needed an alley to fight the assyrians.
Manetho called him 'chebron'-hebron friend of god.
Apropos ascending bodies...
Song of Solomon 2:1 Rose of Sharon 'the plain of orbit of light'.
Nimrod/naram-sin /merodach somewhere around 2200-2100 BCE.
Marduk had it's roots in the wide sea(mediterrenean)
in the Depht of Arallu
(NOT alasso. North Saudi Arabia, Shasu area.)
and it's top attained high heaven.
Very poetic gives a different perspective on world-axes/trees in all different cultures.
#19 May 9, 2011
You said "you would be held acocuntable to God..." Which God? There are so many.
Dont you know that God means idols and Satan dwells in idols to be worshpped? And Paul writing to the Corinthians referred to Satan as "the God of this world." That being the case, do you unwittingly mena hold accountable to Satan?
That is why Satan is wiser than any of you combine. You are all in his hands, in his snares. And who coudl deliver you when you are so wiling to be subjected to his rules and ruses?
Stop quibbling aobut the Name and who is right and who is wrong. Go and seek and search and make your calling and election sure.
If you try to learn aobut His Name by your intellect you are doom for spiritual things are spiritually discerned, and His Name is highly Spiritual. How could a Muslim comprehend His Sacred Name when they dont even believe and when they are tainted with Allah, the moon god of the beduoins, another god...
In the day of judgement, all eyes shall be open and there shall be many surprises. Blessed is he who cometh in the Name of YAH!
#20 May 9, 2011
Hey Rabbi, Ha Shem is not a name. Ha Shem means the name. What name and whose name? When YHVH said, "Thous shalt not utter the name of YHVH thy ELOHIM for falsehood..." He means do not change My blessed falsely or lie about My blessed Name.
When you call Him Hashem, are you not changing, replacing and displacing His scared name?
I lov ethe Hebrew people but the Hebrew people do not know thier master. That is what Isaiah said, because they changed His name.
Theer is not need for debate. Each man find the ruth and be born of the RUACH Ha KODESH.
Den Helder, Netherlands
#22 May 9, 2011
Lucifer will alah to become god.
H.B. 688 times ascend, went up.
creates confusion all around.
cone:il-ilah a phase of the moongod sin.
adonah; we passed it
addn-settlement, settling down, well being, felicity.
la ila ha ill lall laah
none has the right to be worshipped but allah.
allah spelled by just four letters by the proper way.
Maybe it's to undo confusion with the word for goat...a-lah?
Or crimson , the color of the troat..LAh
Apropos galah also can mean uncover as in bound by yoke, clothes taken of, taken into exile.
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