Pope Francis reaches out to Jews

Pope Francis reaches out to Jews

There are 25 comments on the walb.com story from Mar 15, 2013, titled Pope Francis reaches out to Jews. In it, walb.com reports that:

Like his predecessor, Pope Francis reached out to Rome's Jewish community at the very start of his pontificate, pledging to continue to strengthen the increasingly close ties between Catholics and Jews.

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justice

Godalming, UK

#1 Mar 15, 2013
Ope one way street, where is he reaching out to the innocent Palestinians - the little children. Did not Jesus say, 'Suffer littler children to come unto me.'
justice

Godalming, UK

#2 Mar 15, 2013
There history shows that they did not have a good word to say about the Jews. They teach if they do not come to Jesus they are damned.
What hypocrites they are!

Is it a question of you slap my back and I'll slap yours?

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#3 Mar 15, 2013
If you knew the true story of Jewish history, and why their ancestors considered themselves chosen by God, you would truly grasp its tragedy in full.
justice

Godalming, UK

#4 Mar 15, 2013
Nex131 wrote:
If you knew the true story of Jewish history, and why their ancestors considered themselves chosen by God, you would truly grasp its tragedy in full.
I know the true history of Abram and Yaqub who both came from Mesopotamia which was their native land.
I know they were Hyksos kings (foreign rulers in Egypt.) They were Amorites.

Egyptian names were, MAABRA, which was an anagram of Abraam.
And Yaqub was Yaqubel. Look it up in the history books.
Ezekiel wrote to Jerusalem, Your father was an Amorite and your mother was an Hittite.
I know that circumcision came from Egypt see tomb paining in the tomb of ANKHMAHOR, where two 13 year old Egyptians youths are being circumcised. Circumcision came out of Egypt.
I know that Yaqubel and Joseph were both embalmed as Egyptian mummies. Read Genesis chapter 50

Jews were called Jews because of the tribe of Judah.

Now the Israelites are quite a different people from the Jews..
Tim Upham

Nine Mile Falls, WA

#5 Mar 15, 2013
justice wrote:
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I know the true history of Abram and Yaqub who both came from Mesopotamia which was their native land.
I know they were Hyksos kings (foreign rulers in Egypt.) They were Amorites.
Egyptian names were, MAABRA, which was an anagram of Abraam.
And Yaqub was Yaqubel. Look it up in the history books.
Ezekiel wrote to Jerusalem, Your father was an Amorite and your mother was an Hittite.
I know that circumcision came from Egypt see tomb paining in the tomb of ANKHMAHOR, where two 13 year old Egyptians youths are being circumcised. Circumcision came out of Egypt.
I know that Yaqubel and Joseph were both embalmed as Egyptian mummies. Read Genesis chapter 50
Jews were called Jews because of the tribe of Judah.
Now the Israelites are quite a different people from the Jews..
He said he was going to reach out to Jews, not Amorites or Hyksos.

Since: Mar 13

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#6 Mar 15, 2013
justice wrote:
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I know the true history of Abram and Yaqub who both came from Mesopotamia which was their native land.
I know they were Hyksos kings (foreign rulers in Egypt.) They were Amorites.
Egyptian names were, MAABRA, which was an anagram of Abraam.
And Yaqub was Yaqubel. Look it up in the history books.
Ezekiel wrote to Jerusalem, Your father was an Amorite and your mother was an Hittite.
I know that circumcision came from Egypt see tomb paining in the tomb of ANKHMAHOR, where two 13 year old Egyptians youths are being circumcised. Circumcision came out of Egypt.
I know that Yaqubel and Joseph were both embalmed as Egyptian mummies. Read Genesis chapter 50
Jews were called Jews because of the tribe of Judah.
Now the Israelites are quite a different people from the Jews..
You must understand that the Jews are a very sad people. In many ways, they truly did bring the Holocaust on themselves.
justice

Godalming, UK

#7 Mar 16, 2013
Tim Upham wrote:
<quoted text> He said he was going to reach out to Jews, not Amorites or Hyksos.
How could he know about them when would he ever be interested in searching their true identity.

Better still you search it out.

Prophet Ezekiel spelt it out to them when referring to Jerusalem, he said, Your father was an Amorite and your mother was an Hittite.
Tim Upham

Nine Mile Falls, WA

#8 Mar 16, 2013
justice wrote:
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How could he know about them when would he ever be interested in searching their true identity.
Better still you search it out.
Prophet Ezekiel spelt it out to them when referring to Jerusalem, he said, Your father was an Amorite and your mother was an Hittite.
The Amorites and Hittites do not exist anymore, because they were absorbed by other people. So people have to be dealt with by modern terminology, and that modern terminology is Jews and Arabs.
justice

Godalming, UK

#9 Mar 17, 2013
Tim Upham wrote:
<quoted text> He said he was going to reach out to Jews, not Amorites or Hyksos.
El Shaddai reached out to the Mesopotamian Amorite who was Abram.
He was one of the Hyksos pharaohs who ruled lower Egypt after they invaded Egypt.
Circumcision came from Egypt. See painting in the tomb of Ankhmahor in Egypt, where two 13 year old Egyptian youths are being circumcised.
The Embalming of Yaqub and Joseph were embalmed as Egyptian mummies in Egypt. And all The highest officials (Egyptians) mourned Yaqub) Read Genesis chapter 50, see how it was a funeral for an Egyptian pharaoh. Does that sound like a funeral of an Hebrew slave?

Abram was a ruling pharaoh throne name was MAABRA which in the old testament was changed into an anagram ABRAAM.
Yaqub name was Yaqubel. And all this is in the history of Egyptian.
Eventually after many years the Hyksos was kings and their subjects were driven out of Egypt, 240,000 left. and that was the true Exodus.
justice

Godalming, UK

#10 Mar 17, 2013
Tim Upham wrote:
<quoted text> The Amorites and Hittites do not exist anymore, because they were absorbed by other people. So people have to be dealt with by modern terminology, and that modern terminology is Jews and Arabs.
Of course they exist it is to be found in the DNA.
A true Israelite would have the DNA of Mesopotamia, Canaan and Egypt.

Abram left his native land of Mesopotamia.
Lived in Canaan for awhile.
And ruled in Egypt.

That is why in the Old Testament it states these words,'In that day Israel will be one of three with Egypt and Assyria - a blessing in the midst of the land. Whom the Lord of Hosts shall bless, saying,'Blessed is Egypt my people, and Assyria the work of my hands, and Israel my inheritance.Isaiah chapter 19 verses, 24-25.

Read also the promise to Abram, On that same day the lord made a covenant with abram saying,'to your descendants i have given this land from the river of egypt, to the great river the river Euphrates. Genesis chapter 15 verse 18.
justice

Godalming, UK

#11 Mar 18, 2013
Nex131 wrote:
If you knew the true story of Jewish history, and why their ancestors considered themselves chosen by God, you would truly grasp its tragedy in full.
What is the true story?

The Old testament is a book that had ancient scribes writing stories which used a very vivid imaginations.
To find any facts in it, is like looking for a needle in a haystack.
What it does not tell you is the following.

Abram was a Mesopotamian native. And that he went down to Egypt as a Hyksos/Amorite.
He was a king in Egypt. His throne name was MAABRA - which became an anagram in the Old Testament as ABRAAM.

Circumcision came from Egypt see painting on the tomb wall of egyptian circumcision.

The true exodus was the one where Egypt drove out the Hyksos, 240,000 of them, which is recorded in Egyptian history. There is no record of Hebrew slaves exodus.
See also the Egyptian mummification of Yaqub and Joseph in Genesis chapter 50.
Tim Upham

Nine Mile Falls, WA

#12 Mar 18, 2013
Goshen is a land in the Nile Delta that the Pharaoh gave to the Hebrews, when they fled their native land because of a famine Genesis 45:9-10. So yes there was a Hebrew presence in ancient Egypt.
justice

Godalming, UK

#13 Mar 19, 2013
Tim Upham wrote:
Goshen is a land in the Nile Delta that the Pharaoh gave to the Hebrews, when they fled their native land because of a famine Genesis 45:9-10. So yes there was a Hebrew presence in ancient Egypt.
It was Avaris, not Goshen.
And the foreign kings the Hyksos lived in Avaris it was their capital city.
They were from Mesopotamia and were Amorites.
Abraam came from Mesopotamia. It was his native land.
Yaqub came from Mesopotamia. He had a state funeral of an Egyptian pharaoh. Read Genesis chapter 50. He was embalmed the Egyptian way he had a state funeral. Does that seem like an Hebrew funeral to you.

Read the History of Egypt.
Two of those hyksos kings names were Maaabra changed to an anagram in old testament Abraam.
The Other one was Yaqubel.
The exodus was the Hyksos exodus, 240,000 were chased out by the Egyptians and they went into Canaan land.
In the book of Isaiah the Lord said these words,'in that day israel will be one of three with Egypt and Assyria a blessing in the midst of the land, whom the lord of hosts shall bless, saying, Blessed be Egypt my people, and Assyria the work of my hands, and Israel my inheritance. Isaiah chapter 19, verses 24-25.
Tim Upham

Nine Mile Falls, WA

#14 Mar 19, 2013
The Hyksos are believed to be of Minoan origin, and fled their island either because of invasion or earthquake, In Avaris, Minoan frescoes were found, not because they were imported from Crete, but because they were made in Avaris. Avaris fell in 1550 B.C.E. to Ahmose, the Egyptian Pharaoh. So the Hyksos kingdom was very brief.
justice

Godalming, UK

#15 Mar 20, 2013
Tim Upham wrote:
The Hyksos are believed to be of Minoan origin, and fled their island either because of invasion or earthquake, In Avaris, Minoan frescoes were found, not because they were imported from Crete, but because they were made in Avaris. Avaris fell in 1550 B.C.E. to Ahmose, the Egyptian Pharaoh. So the Hyksos kingdom was very brief.
You truly are missing the point of this discussion, I am writing about Abraam and Yaqub, and how they have the Egyptian connection.
Abraam married to Hagar.
His son Ishmael married an Egyptian wife.
Joseph married to an Egyptian.
What they found at Avaris was royal cartouches with Yaqubel name on them.
They found Canaanite pottery there.
The Hyksos/Amorites brought into Egypt the chariot and horse and the composite bow.
They were there from the about 13th to 17th dynasty.
I have written you to state that circumcision came from Egypt.
What is holding you back from doing the research I am sending you, I will never know,.

And why does it say, Egypt my people.

Also there is a mummy in the Cairo museum, called Yuya, and many people believe this to be Joseph because he is not a native Egyptian, but Asiatic. Also Genesis tells chapter 50 tells how Joseph.Yusuf was embalmed and put in a coffin in Egypt. His Egyptian wife is also in Cairo museum. He had a high standing in Egypt.

Check it out.

`And I am not getting at you I do appreciate your replies, but please reply the points I send you
Do Some research.
justice

Godalming, UK

#16 Mar 20, 2013
Tim Upham wrote:
The Hyksos are believed to be of Minoan origin, and fled their island either because of invasion or earthquake, In Avaris, Minoan frescoes were found, not because they were imported from Crete, but because they were made in Avaris. Avaris fell in 1550 B.C.E. to Ahmose, the Egyptian Pharaoh. So the Hyksos kingdom was very brief.
See reply on this matter.

This is a bit extra see how the Jewish bible states that they were goyim, goy = nation goyim- nations.

Bereshis 17:2-6
Orthodox Jewish Bible (OJB)
2 And I will confirm My brit (covenant) between Me and thee, and will multiply thee exceedingly.
3 And Avram fell on his face; and Elohim talked with him, saying,
4 As for Me, hinei, My brit (covenant) is with thee, and thou shalt be an Av of many Goyim [see 18:18].
5 Neither shall thy shem any more be called Avram, but thy shem shall be Avraham; for Av hamon Goyim (Father of a multitude of Goyim) have I made thee.[T.N. Ga 3:29 says ¬ďAnd if you belong to Moshiach (YESHAYAH 53:10), then you are of the ZERAH of Avraham Avinu, you are yoreshim (heirs) according to the havtachah (promise).]
6 And I will make thee exceeding fruitful, and I will make Goyim of thee, and Melechim shall come out of thee.

Compare English translation Genesis chapter 17 verses 2-6.

Please keep to the subject in Question. So that we have a proper discussion, and we can come to a conclusion.
justice

Godalming, UK

#17 Mar 20, 2013
Tim Upham wrote:
The Hyksos are believed to be of Minoan origin, and fled their island either because of invasion or earthquake, In Avaris, Minoan frescoes were found, not because they were imported from Crete, but because they were made in Avaris. Avaris fell in 1550 B.C.E. to Ahmose, the Egyptian Pharaoh. So the Hyksos kingdom was very brief.
The site of the Minoan's in Avaris. The site had been vacant for some time after the expulsion (Exodus of the Hyksos).
The Egyptians began to build palaces on the site. Perhaps they hired Minoan artists to do the fresco's. As they were known for their artiscic qualitites. But it had nothing to do with Mineon's, and the Hyksos.
Egypt were only able to chase Hyksos out, because they copied from the Hyksos the war chariot and the composite bow.

Abram was not a wandering nomad herding goats, he was a very influential man. He had 318 officers under him, quite a large army.

Abram was not the first Hyksos/Amorite to go into Egypt it had already been conquered by early Hyksos.
That is why Abram could go straight to the pharaoh when in Egypt because he was one of his fellow countryman from the land of Mesopotamia.

In fact it may shock you to know that Abram was Mambre the Amorites. Abram was always at the sacred site of Mambre. Where the Lord appeared to him, at the sacred site, of the trees. Abram himself planted a tree. I believe this in time became the symbol of the Menorah.
But so many Hebrew scribes changed this and that, to make it fit their own story, that today it is like looking for the needle in the haystack to find the precious clues.

That will keep you busy if you do the research!
Tim Upham

Nine Mile Falls, WA

#18 Mar 20, 2013
The ancient Egyptians were a Hamitic people, descendants of Ham. The people of Mesopotamia, except the Sumerians, were a Semitic people, descendants of Shem. The ancient Egyptians spoke a Hamitic language, which is used by the Coptic Christians today, as a language of liturgy. Abraham spoke a Semitic language, which includes modern Hebrew. The ancient Egyptians never conquered Mesopotamia. There is no way that an ancient Egyptian and ancient Mesopotamian could have been fellow countrymen. It is like saying the ancient Egyptians were fellow countrymen to the Ainu of Japan.
justice

Godalming, UK

#19 Mar 20, 2013
Tim Upham wrote:
The ancient Egyptians were a Hamitic people, descendants of Ham. The people of Mesopotamia, except the Sumerians, were a Semitic people, descendants of Shem. The ancient Egyptians spoke a Hamitic language, which is used by the Coptic Christians today, as a language of liturgy. Abraham spoke a Semitic language, which includes modern Hebrew. The ancient Egyptians never conquered Mesopotamia. There is no way that an ancient Egyptian and ancient Mesopotamian could have been fellow countrymen. It is like saying the ancient Egyptians were fellow countrymen to the Ainu of Japan.
I never said Egyptians were friends of the Mesopotamians.
If Abram went to a pharaoh in Egypt, it was because he was going to another Hyksos ruler (pharaoh).
They took many of the Egyptians customs, the circumcision and the embalming of mummies. I have already written you about this. They became very Egyptian in their ways.
The Egyptians chased them Hyksos./Mesopotamians out of the Avaris. They were enemies.
Abram and Yaqub was part of the Hyksos. I never said Egyptians conquered Mesopotamia.
I can see from how you write you believe the bible to the letter. Mentioning Shem and Ham.
If you want a bible quote well we all came out of Noah if only him and his family were saved in flood.
But in reality, we all came out of Africa, Read up about that, because that is fact!
They the ancient Hebrew scribes, made Abram an Hebrew (which he was not) and brought him into a line of Shem etc., etc., they group Abram and Isaac and Yaqub as one family, when in reality they were not related to each other. My how that has opened up a can of worms.
The day you realize that the Old Testament has been collated from different stories, from Sumer, Babylon, and Egypt, and that the conquering of Canaan never took place.
Religion causes people to be brainwashed, over the years from being taught from children.
Please stretch your horizons, and ask yourself could there be another side of the coin that you have not turned over! Dare you turn it over, or are you afraid to pop your bubble and come out of your comfort zone.
Tim Upham

Nine Mile Falls, WA

#20 Mar 21, 2013
Religion can brainwash people, but it can also teach people how to live and coexist with each other. Modern science does not go against religion. When you look at scientific discoveries, many were done by theologians, or people in conjunction with a religious institution, i.e. today's colleges and universities. It depends on the individual, if they want to use a religion, or abuse it.

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