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African4

South Africa

#22 Mar 7, 2010
Babylon was the city that was founded by Cain after his banishment from Eden. As Yahweh is God's true name it is not unlikely that the name would turn up in Babylonian manuscripts, is it?

Cain after all knew Yahweh.
Richard

AOL

#23 Mar 24, 2010
Eaya Asher Eaya, I am who I am, it is the name given to Moses. Sounds like Ea to me !
Richard

AOL

#24 Mar 24, 2010
The Jews stated they forgot the name of their god, because they were not allowed to repeat the name, HaShem
Gregory

United States

#25 Mar 24, 2010
Richard, similar sound says nothing as to the relation of words. Two assume two words are related because they appear to sound alike is pure ignorance.

"Ehyeh" and "Ea" do not sound alike. Also, the former is a Hebrew word that means "I will be" and the latter is a Babylonian word (for which I don't know the meaning).
Blue Raven

Buffalo, NY

#26 Jun 2, 2010
Gregory wrote:
Richard, similar sound says nothing as to the relation of words. Two assume two words are related because they appear to sound alike is pure ignorance.
"Ehyeh" and "Ea" do not sound alike. Also, the former is a Hebrew word that means "I will be" and the latter is a Babylonian word (for which I don't know the meaning).
When religions were becoming institutionalized, it was difficult to attract the regular folks, who lived simple agricultural lives in the countryside, to become followers of the new systems of belief.(The word “pagan” means “country dwellers.”) There became a concerted effort to demonize them. So, understand that what you all call pagan is because of hate by those whom murder in the name of god. All of you who boast your long websites of endless research on name and pronunciation do not agree with each other. There are many different ideas on it and that is all they are. Moses receiving law from god is not unique to him, rather it happened before him. Do the research yourself, and you will see that all religions point to an earth older than 6000 years and comes what you all call pagan. If you think that only Israel excepted teaching from god and only they are saved, then no Christian can be saved. It is horrible to think god is making people to kill them, and that he predestines all to some terrible event or wonderful favor.
Oh! Please stop yourself with the whole Christianity is the biggest and most successful religion. If you do the math Muslim religion has spread faster in a shorter period of time, than any christian sect. Soon and you will witness it be global and dominant. So, do nto kid yourself or anyone else on this fact.
I do believe in the Almighty Creator, but do not go after who is right on pronunciation. I do believe Yeshua to be real, but not in like christian defines. Yeshua taught us to seek our Father and to love, this is not found in Christian, Messianic, nor Nazarene Israelism.
No matter what rationale you through up or so-called proof, before Judaism was what you all call pagan. Moses did not write the first 5 books, because it is written in a way pointing to him being written about. Also the time frame of the law being given conflicts between Exodus and Deuteronomy. To be honest I would love to read anything that Moses truly wrote down or exactly what was on the tablets. It certainly was not the Torah.
Ell

United States

#28 Jul 1, 2010
Lev. 24:16
y6h1w3h servant

Dallas, TX

#29 Jul 4, 2010
according to a jewish custom the "divine" name was not to be spoken so the hebrew words for lord and god were "substituted" first of all deut 4:2 says dnt add or delete. second substitute dont mean same it means replace. which means god and lord wasnt there in the original writings ( yahwistic source never call him god or lord the younger elohim source does), so lord god is getting the worship and glory that yhwh deserves. also micah 4:5 says all people walk n the name of his or her god, christians-jesus, muslims/moslems-allah, egyptians-amen-ra etc...( ever heard god got many names or revelation 12:9 - devil decieve the "whole world"). and yhwh said exodus 3:15-my name is yhwh "forever" for all generations and isayah 42:8 - my name is yhwh and my glory and praise another cant have nor graven images
yahshua said pray to the "father" and hallow his "name". so people need study scripture b4 they open they mouth. and for the record god is short 4 goddess -all god worship is trace back to queen of heaven the great mother goddess hillel/lucifer.the first being to persuade the first humans to become like god, and they were kick out garden 4 becoming like who decieve them. on the other hand every man that walk n all yhwh ways a covenant was made with him. there is a difference between almighty yhwh the creator and god the great goddess the snake from the garden. halleluyah may yhwh be with u all who keep the testimony of king yahshua the prophet like mosheh and the laws of yahweh our father shalom
FreeIIpraize

Arlington, TN

#30 Jul 16, 2010
Gregory wrote:
Winy,
Yes, God wants us to pray to Him as our heavenly Father. But His personal name, the name that Jesus told us to sanctify, is Jehovah. It appears almost 7,000 times in the original Hebrew text of the Old Testament and is referenced in the Greek New Testament by the title "Lord." The name Jehovah conveys God's very nature and how he relates to humanity. It is the very definition of who God is, and the Hebrew word for father is an extended meaning of the name Jehovah. You can read all of this in my extensive study found at sites.google.com/site/yhwhsacredname/
The letter J didn't come into existence until 1600 so his name isn't Jehovah, YHWH Yod Heh Vav Heh. Facts about I: history of the letter J, The letter J has a history that is linked with the history of the letter I. The Romans and their European successors used I both for the vocalic i and for the consonantal y (as in the English word yet).... The English letter J did not come into existence until the end of medieval times. I prefer to call him Father, Abba, Abu Father, it's just that simple. As stated you don't call your dad by his first name you call him by his title and that shows the connection of relationship of respect.
FreeIIpraize

Arlington, TN

#31 Jul 16, 2010
The pronunciation can never be certain, since early Hebrew had no vowels, only consonants, though evidence from several sources, such as early Greek transliterations, point to the pronunciation as Yahweh.1

The four letters of the divine name are YHWH, known as the Tetragrammaton (a Greek word meaning "four letters" from tetra "four" and gramma "letter). Here are the steps that moved us from the (presumed) original Yahweh to Jehovah.
FreeIIpraize

Arlington, TN

#32 Jul 16, 2010
Following the French conquest of England in the Battle of Hastings (1066 AD), French and Latin influence increased in England. But from the early 1200s through the 1700s, "J" sound was slowly replacing "I" in words that began with "I," especially where "I" was used as a consonant. Names like Iames became James, Iakob became Jacob, and Yohan became John. In addition, Ioshua became Joshua and Iehouah became Jehovah. The pronunciation didn't necessarily change at the same time as the letter change.

You can see the shift from I to J in the chart below. The King James Version uses Jehovah by itself only four times: Exodus 6:3; Psalm 83:18; Isaiah 12:2; 26:4. In addition, the KJV version includes the word Jehovah in compound names three times: Genesis 22:14; Exodus 17:15; and Judges 6:24. I have compared these verses, plus passages that show the spelling of Joshua and Jesus in several early English translations. By 1611 when the King James Version was published, the shift from I to J was fairly complete.


Wycliffe Bible (1395)
William Tyndale (1530)
Miles Cloverdale (1535)
Bishop's Bible (1568)
Geneva Bible (1587)
King James Version (1611)3

Genesis 22:14
The Lord seeth
the LORde will see
The LORDE shall prouyde
the Lorde wyll see
Iehouah-iireh
Jehouah-jireh

Exodus 6:3
Adonai
Iehouah
LORDE
Iehouah
Iehouah
IEHOVAH

Exodus 17:15
Lord myn enhaunsere
Iehouah Nissi
The LORDE Nissi
The Lorde is he that worketh miracles for me
Iehouah-nissi
JEHOUAH-nissi

Judges 6:24
the Pees of the Lord
--
The LORDE of peace
The Lord of peace
Iehouah shalom
Jehouah-shalom

Psalm 83:18
Lord
--
LORDE
God eternall
Iehouah
JEHOUAH

Isaiah 12:2
Lord
--
LORDE
Lorde
Lord
JEHOUAH

Isaiah 26:4
Lord
--
LORDE
Lorde
Lord
JEHOUAH

Joshua 1:1
Josue
--
Iosua
Iosuah
Ioshua
Joshua

John 20:31
Jhesus
Iesus
Iesus
Iesus
Iesus
Jesus


5. Shift in Pronunciation of the J Sound

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Finally, while pronunciation didn't necessarily change at the same time as the shift from "I" to "J," gradually the spelling of the words probably began to influence their pronunciation. In Germany, the "J" has a "Y" sound. In Spain the "J" is silent. But in English, the "J" developed to have a harder sound, that in the Divine Name developed into our present pronunciation of Jehovah.

Hopefully this long explanation helps you see how the presumed original Yahweh came to be pronounced as Jehovah, both with the different vowel sounds and with a "J" instead of "Y" at the beginning.

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References
Anson F. Rainey, "How was the Tetragrammaton Pronounced?," Biblical Archaeological Review (July/August 1985), pp. 78-79. J. Barton Payne, hāwā, TWOT #484a.
Thomas Pyles, The Origins and Development of the English Language (Second Edition: Harcourt Brace Jovanovich, 1964, 1971), pp. 61-62.
Spellings for the KJV are taken from a facsimile of the original 1611 publication. More recent editions of the KJV have modernized the spelling of numerous words. Verification of the original KJV spellings was made by my son, Dr. David Wilson-Okamura, Assistant Professor, English Department, East Carolina University. He notes: "u for v is the norm in the middle of a word in this period. It would be pronounced v, though, it being just a spelling convention."
Margaret Andrus

Westminster, CA

#33 Jul 17, 2010
Gregory wrote:
<quoted text>
The Israelites forgot the name YHWH for Baal. Based on what authority do you state that the name YHWH is Babylonian? For your information, the word Baal is not even Babylonian, but Phoenician. Provide some evidence of your claim instead of just spouting off things you can't support. The name YHWH appears in every single copy of the Scriptures that we have, and that's good enough for me. It should be good enough for you as well.
The person that claimed YHWH is pagan calls the Savior jesus which is a pagan name. Our Savior was born of a Hebrew woman and they called Him Yahusha of Yahushua, I don't know for sure, because I was not there. I do know this; His given name was not jesus.
Margaret Andrus

Westminster, CA

#34 Jul 17, 2010
The person that claimed YHWH is pagan calls the Savior jesus which is a pagan name. Our Savior was born of a Hebrew woman and they called Hin Yahusha or Yahushua, I don't know for sure, because I was not there. I do know this, His given Name was not jesus.
Margaret Andrus

Westminster, CA

#35 Jul 17, 2010
The person that claims the Name of the savior is jesus also says the Name Yahusha or Yahushua is pagan. Miriam, His Mother, was Hebrew and called Him Yahusha or Yahushua, which is Hebrew, not the Greek name jesus. This name jesus is not a translation, but a substitute Greek name. It has no meaning at all. Why would a Hebrew man and woman look at their child and give Him a Greek name. Think about it.

“the baby who would be king!!!!”

Since: Jan 07

fort worth

#36 Jul 17, 2010
i am so grateful to be free of the bondage that was placed on me by these religions !
Cameron Barbee

Calhoun, GA

#37 Jul 21, 2010
I only worship the nam YHWH and i respect his sons name Yahshua also i am a firm believer in his name and i will not worship my creater with the name of a false mighty one
Eric

Lombard, IL

#38 Jul 21, 2010
Margaret Andrus wrote:
The person that claims the Name of the savior is jesus also says the Name Yahusha or Yahushua is pagan. Miriam, His Mother, was Hebrew and called Him Yahusha or Yahushua, which is Hebrew, not the Greek name jesus. This name jesus is not a translation, but a substitute Greek name. It has no meaning at all. Why would a Hebrew man and woman look at their child and give Him a Greek name. Think about it.
Miriam his mother would have spoken the vernacular of the time--Aramaic and called him Eashoa'.
jay

Plymouth, MI

#39 Aug 10, 2010
in the gonstic biilfe yaweh was in a battle to all re relms like with barbelo he is also billved by mitraism seth who calls im self jesus createdeveryig tis is detais on the creaton of the earth before yaweh created earth
Gregory

Farmington, MI

#40 Aug 10, 2010
FreeIIpraize wrote:
<quoted text>
The letter J didn't come into existence until 1600 so his name isn't Jehovah, YHWH Yod Heh Vav Heh. Facts about I: history of the letter J, The letter J has a history that is linked with the history of the letter I. The Romans and their European successors used I both for the vocalic i and for the consonantal y (as in the English word yet).... The English letter J did not come into existence until the end of medieval times. I prefer to call him Father, Abba, Abu Father, it's just that simple. As stated you don't call your dad by his first name you call him by his title and that shows the connection of relationship of respect.
I simply used the name Jehovah in my post because that is what a lot of people are familiar with, but in my website I used the form YHWH and state several times that yod is pronounced "y," not "j." But thank you for the postings.
Gregory

Farmington, MI

#41 Aug 10, 2010
@ Blue Raven

You quoted me in your post, but your reply didn't in any way reflect my post. So I'm wondering why you quoted me in the first place.
TruthSeeker

Bethania, NC

#42 Aug 17, 2010
So what is the true name of the Most High?

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