bible pagan god yahweh's babylonian pagan origin

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#1 Jun 24, 2008
YAHWEH IS BABYLONIAN PAGAN GOD USED 2 BE WORSHIPED LONG B4 THE TIME OF ISRAEL.

NOW MY QUESTION IS HOW THIS PAGAN BABYLONYAN GOD(NOT A UNIVARSAL GOD) CAME IN 2 THE BIBLE???

DOES IT NOT PROOFS BIBLE'S FORGERY AND CORRUPTION.????

I LIKE AN EXPLANATION ABT THIS PAGANIC GOD YAHWEH FRM THIS PAULINE PAGAN CHRISTIANITY.

IF U CANT EXPLAIN THAN I WANT CLEAR CUT ACCEPTANCE THAT BIBLE IS FORGED AND CORRUPTED.

DETAILS IS AS BELOW::

Friedrich Delitzsch brought into notice three tablets, of the age of the first dynasty of Babylon, in which he read the names of Ya- a'-ve-ilu, Ya-ve-ilu, and Ya-u-um-ilu ("Yahweh is God"), and which he regarded as conclusive proof that Yahweh was known in Babylonia before 2000 B.C.; he was a god of the Semitic invaders in the second wave of migration, who were, according to Winckler and Delitzsch, of North Semitic stock (Canaanites, in the linguistic sense).[56]

We should thus have in the tablets evidence of the worship of Yahweh among the Western Semites at a time long before the rise of Israel. The reading of the names is, however, extremely uncertain, not to say improbable, and the far-reaching inferences drawn from them carry no conviction.[57]

In a tablet attributed to the 14th century B.C. which Sellin found in the course of his excavations at Tell Ta'annuk (the city Taanach of the O.T.) a name occurs which may be read Ahi-Yawi (equivalent to Hebrew Ahijah);[58] if the reading be correct, this would show that Yahweh was worshipped in Central Palestine before the Israelite conquest. Genesis 14:17 describes a meeting between Melchizedek the king/priest of Salem and Abaraham. Both these pre-conquest figures are described as worshipping the same Most High God later identified as Yahweh.

The reading is, however, only one of several possibilities. The fact that the full form Yahweh appears, whereas in Hebrew proper names only the shorter Yahu and Yah occur, weighs somewhat against the interpretation, as it does against Delitzsch's reading of his tablets.

It would not be at all surprising if, in the great movements of populations and shifting of ascendancy which lie beyond our historical horizon, the worship of Yahweh should have been established in regions remote from those which it occupied in historical times; but nothing which we now know warrants the opinion that his worship was ever general among the Western Semites.

Many attempts have been made to trace the West Semitic Yahu back to Babylonia. Thus Delitzsch formerly derived the name from an Akkadian god, I or Ia; or from the Semitic nominative ending, Yau;[59] but this deity has since disappeared from the pantheon of Assyriologists. Bottero speculates that the West Semitic Yah/Ia, in fact is a version of the Babylonian God Ea (Enki), a view given support by the earliest finding of this name at Ebla during the reign of Ebrum, at which time the city was under Mesopotamian hegemony of Sargon of Akkad.

THE PAGAN ORIGIN OF YAHWEH IS SO EXPOSED THAT EVEN IN MODERN DAY BIBLE DO NOT USE THE WORD YAHWEH DESPITE MORE THAN 7000 TIMES THE NAME OCUURED IN THE BIBLE.

Many religions today do not use the name Jehovah as much as they did in the past. The original Hebrew name יה&#14 93;ה appeared almost 7,000 times in the Old Testament, but is often replaced in popular Bibles (such as the King James Bible or New American Standard Bible) with all caps or small caps "LORD God" (for YHWH Elohim, Jehovah God), "Lord GOD" (for Adonai YHWH, Lord Jehovah), "LORD of hosts" (for YHWH Sabaoth, Jehovah of hosts), or just "LORD" (for single instances of YHWH, Jehovah)
Sam

Frisco, TX

#2 Jul 25, 2008
LOL r u serious???
Gregory

Wayland, KY

#4 May 16, 2009
The Yau or Yave elements in Babylonians names are not related to Yahweh. It is impossible to historically derive Yahweh from Yau/Yave. It is completely natural, however, to derive Yahu/Yah from Yahweh, when speaking in grammatical terms.
On the contrary, more and more Bibles are starting to use YHWH instead of "LORD". In Hebrew in means "He will become" in the most basic sense. It is not a Babylonian or Canaanite word.

The relation of Yah to Ea cannot be supported. Rather, a connection can be made between Yah and Yam, Canaanite god of the sea, due to the Hebrew king Abijah (Yah is father) also being called Abijam (Yam is father). But this is a pagan interpretation of Yahweh. One key thing to note is that knowledge of the name Yahweh goes back to Adam and Eve. Scripture is clear that Eve used the name and calling on the name Yahweh became widespread in the days of Enos (Genesis 4:1-2, 26). So in no way can the name Yahweh be considered pagan. It is the revealed name of God in the Bible. The four great letters, YHWH, are uniquely the name of the true God.
Sirius

Lake City, FL

#5 Jul 29, 2009
Many archeologist claim that Yahweh was worshiped as EA among the Babylonians thousands of years before Israel. The reason that cannot be valid is because EA (Enki) consisted of a thousand of dieities in his pantheon and Yahweh threw Abraham who was a Babylonian proclaimed that Yahweh was one.

The whole El situation can easily be refuted with basic understand of the difference between the Y and E document with the scholar JEDP 4 Source and with the situation in 2 Kings 23 when King Josiah reforms the worship of Yahweh de connecting the Canaanite gods who were the same as the gods of Babylon under different names. El was a god of the Canaanites.

So actually Yahweh was not a pagan god before the Hebrews worshiped him.

Enoch who existed before Babylon was an established nation in the original Hebrew documents of his works contained in the Dead Sea Scrolls he refers to God as YHWH or simply Yahweh.

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Since: Jun 07

A sacred grove in Tujunga, CA

#6 Jul 30, 2009
Here's the polytheistic origins of Judaism:
http://einhornpress.com/gods.aspx
Gregory

United States

#7 Jul 31, 2009
Liam R wrote:
Here's the polytheistic origins of Judaism:
http://einhornpress.com/gods.aspx
Wow, you really convinced me not to be a Christian!(note the sarcasm). Of course the Israelites worshiped other gods. That was the basic problem they had throughout their history, was constantly turning aside after other gods instead of YHWH. In Scripture, El is a generic term for God and is applied to YHWH. El, the Canaanite god, is different than YHWH. However, the title El is a broad Semitic term and was often applied to YHWH, without any relation to the Canaanite god. The word Elohim is a plural word, but it is used by the Jews to describe the collective attributes of the singular YHWH God the same as the plural word chayyim (life) is used by the Jews to describe the collective experiences that make up life. The English Bibles correctly translated Elohim as "God" when referencing YHWH and as "gods" when referencing idols.

My, that article was persuasive! Well done!
James

Melbourne, Australia

#8 Aug 19, 2009
Gregory if that is the case. Did they throw a coin up in the air to decide what god was to be permanent for Jews, Christians and Muslims
Mark b

Newport News, VA

#9 Aug 21, 2009
Yhwh was added to the bible in israels apostasy when they were taken captive into babylon.
the lord said, "they have forgotten my name for BAAL
the apostate scribes removed all of the origional name of god and entered this Tetragrammaton, that was later guessed at as a name.
either way..anyone who worships this name is a goner
Sambee

Tuscaloosa, AL

#10 Aug 24, 2009
Mark b wrote:
Yhwh was added to the bible in israels apostasy when they were taken captive into babylon.
the lord said, "they have forgotten my name for BAAL
the apostate scribes removed all of the origional name of god and entered this Tetragrammaton, that was later guessed at as a name.
either way..anyone who worships this name is a goner
Mark B,
In Hebrew Baal means Lord the tetragrammaton is YHWH this is whats in the original writings of the Tanakh.How do you explain for such a massive rewrite of the scriptures? The name HWHY was reviled to Moses Yahweh's Name is also found in the Greek writings of the Septuagint see for yourslef.

http://www.eliyah.com/lxx.html
Mary

Miami, FL

#11 Aug 24, 2009
Sambee wrote:
<quoted text>
Mark B,
In Hebrew Baal means Lord the tetragrammaton is YHWH this is whats in the original writings of the Tanakh.How do you explain for such a massive rewrite of the scriptures? The name HWHY was reviled to Moses Yahweh's Name is also found in the Greek writings of the Septuagint see for yourslef.
http://www.eliyah.com/lxx.html
Oh plzzzz
Baal is one of the ancient idol god used to be worshipped by the israelites and arabs , but later on people stop worshipping baal gradually ,as first Israelites introduced to the ONE GoD. It is mocking Almighty saying baal means lord. It is paganism to worship baal and baal means lord of pagans not Almighty.

Many of ancient pagan words like baal is now used to define certain places, also baal means husband in hebrew. Baal is one of the evil idol gods of time. I do not mind people use it.. as certain words still is used from paganism...but worshipping and certain rituals is mocking Almighty who created universe.
Gregory

Sterling Heights, MI

#12 Sep 2, 2009
James wrote:
Gregory if that is the case. Did they throw a coin up in the air to decide what god was to be permanent for Jews, Christians and Muslims


No on threw a coin up in the air. YHWH made Himself God by all of the miraculous wonders that He did for Israel, His chosen people, wonders that can be documented archaeologically, and frankly YHWH is God simply because He is. He answers to no one. He among the gods is like Him? Answer me that question. Only YHWH has drawn all nations unto Himself through Jesus. No other god has done so. That right there makes Him God.
Gregory

Sterling Heights, MI

#13 Sep 2, 2009
Mark b wrote:
Yhwh was added to the bible in israels apostasy when they were taken captive into babylon.
the lord said, "they have forgotten my name for BAAL
the apostate scribes removed all of the origional name of god and entered this Tetragrammaton, that was later guessed at as a name.
either way..anyone who worships this name is a goner
The Israelites forgot the name YHWH for Baal. Based on what authority do you state that the name YHWH is Babylonian? For your information, the word Baal is not even Babylonian, but Phoenician. Provide some evidence of your claim instead of just spouting off things you can't support. The name YHWH appears in every single copy of the Scriptures that we have, and that's good enough for me. It should be good enough for you as well.
Gregory

Sterling Heights, MI

#14 Sep 2, 2009
Mark b wrote:
Yhwh was added to the bible in israels apostasy when they were taken captive into babylon.
the lord said, "they have forgotten my name for BAAL
the apostate scribes removed all of the origional name of god and entered this Tetragrammaton, that was later guessed at as a name.
either way..anyone who worships this name is a goner
Furthermore, if Babylonian scribes were able to make such an interpolation into the Scriptures on such a wide scale, then we can't trust any of it. You may as well not Believe in the Bible at all. How do we know they didn't change anything else. Do you seriously expect us to disregard the name YHWH as Babylonian when there are NO documented records that state this, nor are there ANY copies of Scripture that contain another "original" name for God, nor are there ANY records that indicate that Israel borrowed this name from anyone! So tell us why we should forsake YHWH. Because YOU say so? No thanks.
Gregory

Sterling Heights, MI

#15 Sep 2, 2009
Mark b wrote:
Yhwh was added to the bible in israels apostasy when they were taken captive into babylon.
the lord said, "they have forgotten my name for BAAL
the apostate scribes removed all of the origional name of god and entered this Tetragrammaton, that was later guessed at as a name.
either way..anyone who worships this name is a goner
By the way, the name YHWH appears in archaeological findings as Israel's God before the Babylonian captivity, such as the Moabite stone, the Arad letters, the Lachish letters, the Shasu inscription, carvings in the Negev desert, the "house of YHWH" ostracon, silver amulets, and a temple tablet. So then from WHOM did they get the name if it wasn't the Babylonians?
Gregory

Sterling Heights, MI

#16 Sep 3, 2009
Mary wrote:
<quoted text>
Oh plzzzz
Baal is one of the ancient idol god used to be worshipped by the israelites and arabs , but later on people stop worshipping baal gradually ,as first Israelites introduced to the ONE GoD. It is mocking Almighty saying baal means lord. It is paganism to worship baal and baal means lord of pagans not Almighty.
Many of ancient pagan words like baal is now used to define certain places, also baal means husband in hebrew. Baal is one of the evil idol gods of time. I do not mind people use it.. as certain words still is used from paganism...but worshipping and certain rituals is mocking Almighty who created universe.
The word baal in Phoenecian means "lord, master" and was applied to people in authority, or to gods. It was applied by the Canaanites to their god. The word Baal is not pagan in origin, it was simply applied to a pagan god. Due to its association with this pagan god, the term has been made obsolete as a way of referring to the true God.
jupiter

UK

#17 Sep 23, 2009
Gregory wrote:
<quoted text>
Wow, you really convinced me not to be a Christian!(note the sarcasm). Of course the Israelites worshiped other gods. That was the basic problem they had throughout their history, was constantly turning aside after other gods instead of YHWH. In Scripture, El is a generic term for God and is applied to YHWH. El, the Canaanite god, is different than YHWH. However, the title El is a broad Semitic term and was often applied to YHWH, without any relation to the Canaanite god. The word Elohim is a plural word, but it is used by the Jews to describe the collective attributes of the singular YHWH God the same as the plural word chayyim (life) is used by the Jews to describe the collective experiences that make up life. The English Bibles correctly translated Elohim as "God" when referencing YHWH and as "gods" when referencing idols.
My, that article was persuasive! Well done!
co-sign
Winy

Saint-germain-en-laye, France

#18 Dec 13, 2009
Hi folks,
I would love to bring your attention to this short and true story that happened about years ago to me.
I was in the front yard doing some gardening , when I saw this 2 young man calling my attention with a book and a paper "journal" in their hand.
I approched and after spending a minute with them ,realised they were jehova witnesses.
Youngman1 : well ,I just don't understand why you refuse to pray to Jehova?
My answer: Excuse me ,I have a question to ask you first?
Youngman1: sure
My question; You have a dad?
Youngman 1: yes
My question? Do you call him by name or dad?
Youngman 1: hmm! ofcourse dad or dady
My reply: In that case why would you want me to call my heavenily FATHER ,Jehovah?
Young man 2 and Young man 1: Both started defending his name, how he loves to be called by his name, the power in his name ...blah blah
I was deaf! I just istned for a while without listening because I was sure and certain, these people , these two young beautful men were lost and confused. But not I!
So I said:
Listen brothers,you know Jesus and you know what Jesus means to God our heavenly father and vice versa. He did come to glorify his father which is our father as well. He said if you beleive in me then we are one with Father. And remeber his FIRST prayer and how to pray?
Our father who are in heaven hallowed be thy name...Thy your kingdom come...thy your will be done....etc etc..
He asked us to repsect his name and call him FATHER.
So you see folks take the name Jehovah if that is hsi real name..write it on a piece of paer or a journal. The bottom line is that journal with Gods name on it ends in TRASH sooner or later right?
So why dishonor Gods name if jehovah is his his name! I dont know but to me GOD has just one name..
FATHER.
God bless you all
Winy

Saint-germain-en-laye, France

#19 Dec 13, 2009
Oh forgot to add something ...after saying all that , one of them started to cry.
He looked at me and said ,thank you ,you are so right.
:)
Gregory

United States

#20 Dec 13, 2009
Winy,

Yes, God wants us to pray to Him as our heavenly Father. But His personal name, the name that Jesus told us to sanctify, is Jehovah. It appears almost 7,000 times in the original Hebrew text of the Old Testament and is referenced in the Greek New Testament by the title "Lord." The name Jehovah conveys God's very nature and how he relates to humanity. It is the very definition of who God is, and the Hebrew word for father is an extended meaning of the name Jehovah. You can read all of this in my extensive study found at sites.google.com/site/yhwhsacredname/
Raul

Santo Domingo, Dominican Republic

#21 Mar 3, 2010
Baal is a Semite god, lather the Phoenician god, and also known as Kronos (titan) or Saturn in Greek-roman pantheons. Yahweh a also Semite god(Possible younger brother of Baal), lesser in rank among the Phoenicians, also an usurper of gods in some writings.
Both deities have their origins in Ancient Sumerian, not Babylon. Remember Abraham was born in Ur, In sumer. He had a pact with A god, from many. In the fist books of the bible there is a reference to many gods, then to lesser gods and later there is a reference to an only all-powerful god. Turning more and more towards Monotheism.
Its like a nice biblical Lord of the ring story.
Sorry i lack citations, im an amateur in these things.

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