Does God have a son ?

Does God have a son ?

Created by HughBe on Sep 11, 2008

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Eric

United States

#1 Sep 11, 2008
G-d has/had billions of sons and daughters because we are all G-d's children.
HughBe

Kingston, Jamaica

#2 Sep 11, 2008
Eric wrote:
G-d has/had billions of sons and daughters because we are all G-d's children.
Very nice Eric, however I was thinking of non-humans and in the sense that Christians believe.I know that you understood what I meant!But I liked your answer
Eric

United States

#3 Sep 11, 2008
Well, I don't know about the "non-human" thing, but:

Why does one of the more moving prayers of the High Holidays being "Avinu Malkenu" or "Our Father Our King"?

Why does the Lord's Prayer begin "Our Father..."? If Jesus was only speaking of his relationship with G-d wouldn't he have said "My Father ..."?
Eric

United States

#4 Sep 11, 2008
Sorry, that should be

Why does one of the more moving prayers of the High Holidays BEGIN "Avinu Malkenu" or "Our Father Our King"?
fed up with the mess

United States

#5 Sep 12, 2008
JESUS is his son.

“No Allah: know peace”

Since: Jun 07

A sacred grove in Tujunga, CA

#6 Sep 12, 2008
fed up with the mess wrote:
JESUS is his son.
To be gramatially correct, Jesus WAS His son while he was alive. But then, so was every other male Jew listed in the Bible, and every one not listed in the Bible. Aside from a bit more (pseudo)biographical writings, there is nothing exceptional about Jesus.
HughBe

Kingston, Jamaica

#7 Sep 13, 2008
Eric wrote:
Well, I don't know about the "non-human" thing, but:
Why does one of the more moving prayers of the High Holidays being "Avinu Malkenu" or "Our Father Our King"?
Why does the Lord's Prayer begin "Our Father..."? If Jesus was only speaking of his relationship with G-d wouldn't he have said "My Father ..."?
"Why does the Lord's Prayer begin "Our Father..."? If Jesus was only speaking of his relationship with G-d wouldn't he have said "My Father ..."?

God is our Father if we do His will. And besides this Jesus was teaching His disciples to pray and therefore the use of our Father. You see Eric, God was the Father of Jesus in a different way than He is your Father and my Father. This was clearly understood by the Pharisees of His day See John 5:18 “Therefore the Jews sought the more to kill him, because he not only had broken the sabbath, but said also that God was his Father, making himself equal with God”.

Liam R wrote,“Aside from a bit more (pseudo)biographical writings…”

I am now asking him to provide proof of the “(pseudo)biographical writings”. Just a thought it is NEVER good to say things about someone that you cannot support. I do not believe that you would want that to happen to you.

That aside, your comments that “there is nothing exceptional about Jesus” is interesting. Declare the source from which you got your information about Jesus that led you to your position as well as your main reasons. I have provided seven reasons that collectively or individually would lead a rational person to say that at a minimum Jesus was “exceptional” but He was much more, He was EXTRAORDINARY.

His many healings- e.g. giving sight to a person born blind- my rating Extraordinary
His many miracles-e.g. walking on water- my rating- extraordinary
His profound teachings- e.g. adultery is not just the act but is in the heart by lusting- my rating revolutionary and extraordinary
His global impact for almost 2000 years- His friends and foes continuously write and discuss Him.- my rating- extraordinary.( I also find it EXTRAORDINARY that you believe people spend an inordinate amount of time discussing an ordinary person like Jesus.)
His elevation of women- my rating revolutionary and extraordinary
His humility and clearly superior intellect and wisdom to the teachers of His day and of all times e.g. His judgment with respect to the woman caught in the act of adultery. His response, who is without sin cast the first stone, they all left- my rating revolutionary and extraordinary.
His love for all including His enemies- e.g. while on the cross He asked His Father to forgive His executioners- my rating revolutionary and extraordinary.
Eric

United States

#8 Sep 13, 2008
Matthew 23:1 Then Jesus said to the crowds and to his disciples . . .23:9 And call no one your ‘father’ on earth, for you have one Father, who is in heaven.
HughBe

Kingston, Jamaica

#9 Sep 13, 2008
Eric wrote:
Matthew 23:1 Then Jesus said to the crowds and to his disciples ...23:9 And call no one your ‘father’ on earth, for you have one Father, who is in heaven.
Why does the Lord's prayer begin with "Our Father"Answer because Jesus was teaching His disciples how to pray to the Eternal as the verse goes on to say "Who is in heaven". Note, Jesus was on earth at the time and the prayer was to God the Father and not Jesus.

This Amplified bible puts Matt23:9 this way -"And do not call anyone [in the church] on earth father, for you have one Father, Who is in heaven".In other words Jesus was speaking spiritually and the context reveals that.
Eric

United States

#10 Sep 14, 2008
HughBe wrote:
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Why does the Lord's prayer begin with "Our Father"Answer because Jesus was teaching His disciples how to pray to the Eternal as the verse goes on to say "Who is in heaven". Note, Jesus was on earth at the time and the prayer was to God the Father and not Jesus.
This Amplified bible puts Matt23:9 this way -"And do not call anyone [in the church] on earth father, for you have one Father, Who is in heaven".In other words Jesus was speaking spiritually and the context reveals that.
Exactly, Jesus is referring to G-d as everyone's Father. Isn't that great! I feel and believe that G-d is my Father.

The holidays are coming. The holidays that Jesus celebrated. And we will sing that beautiful prayer "Avinu Malkenu" [Our Father Our King] And we will thank G-d for the creation. And we will begin preparations for Yom Kippur.

This is the observance that is spoken of in the New Testament.

Will you be there? Will you join in and praise "Our Father Our King"? Will you join in and thank G-d for the creation?
HughBe

Kingston, Jamaica

#11 Sep 14, 2008
Eric wrote:
<quoted text>
Isn't that great! I feel and believe that G-d is my Father.
The holidays are coming. The holidays that Jesus celebrated. And we will sing that beautiful prayer "Avinu Malkenu" [Our Father Our King] And we will thank G-d for the creation. And we will begin preparations for Yom Kippur.
This is the observance that is spoken of in the New Testament.
Will you be there? Will you join in and praise "Our Father Our King"? Will you join in and thank G-d for the creation?
Yes Eric, if God gives me life I shall celebrate the Day of Atonement with all of God's people.
I went to Church yesterday and it was my intention to wish you any everyone a blessed sabbath.
"Exactly, Jesus is referring to G-d as everyone's Father".
God's children are only those who do the will of God. But God loves everyone.

“No Allah: know peace”

Since: Jun 07

A sacred grove in Tujunga, CA

#12 Sep 14, 2008
part 2
HughBe wrote:
I have provided seven reasons that collectively or individually would lead a rational person to say that at a minimum Jesus was “exceptional” but He was much more, He was EXTRAORDINARY.
His many healings- e.g. giving sight to a person born blind- my rating Extraordinary
His many miracles-e.g. walking on water- my rating- extraordinary [QUOTE]
Deuteronomy 13:1 If there arise among you a prophet, or a dreamer of dreams, and giveth thee a sign or a wonder,
13:2 And the sign or the wonder come to pass, whereof he spake unto thee, saying, Let us go after other gods, which thou hast not known, and let us serve them;
13:3 Thou shalt not hearken unto the words of that prophet, or that dreamer of dreams: for the LORD your God proveth you, to know whether ye love the LORD your God with all your heart and with all your soul.
So, even if any of these alleged miracles actually occured, it does NOT prove that Jesus was from the God of the Bible if he teaches anything that goes against the teachings of the Bible.
[QUOTE who="HughBe"] His profound teachings- e.g. adultery is not just the act but is in the heart by lusting- my rating revolutionary and extraordinary
His global impact for almost 2000 years- His friends and foes continuously write and discuss Him.- my rating- extraordinary.( I also find it EXTRAORDINARY that you believe people spend an inordinate amount of time discussing an ordinary person like Jesus.)[QUOTE]
People also discuss Buddha, Mahommad and Harry Potter.
[QUOTE who="HughBe"]
His elevation of women- my rating revolutionary and extraordinary
His humility and clearly superior intellect and wisdom to the teachers of His day and of all times e.g. His judgment with respect to the woman caught in the act of adultery. His response, who is without sin cast the first stone, they all left- my rating revolutionary and extraordinary.
His love for all including His enemies- e.g. while on the cross He asked His Father to forgive His executioners- my rating revolutionary and extraordinary.
I am surprised that you didn't mention his teacing about the Golden Rule but then, that was first said by Rabbi Hillel, more than a century before Jesus. The rest of his teachings are likewise not nearly as new and original as Christians want to believe.
The simple fact is that Jesus said or did nothing that would not be inappropriate for an itenerant preacher upset with the laxness of the Jewish heirarchy of the time. All of the claims otherwise were added later, once people like Paul decided to invent a new god named Jesus.

“No Allah: know peace”

Since: Jun 07

A sacred grove in Tujunga, CA

#13 Sep 14, 2008
part 2, redux
HughBe wrote:
I have provided seven reasons that collectively or individually would lead a rational person to say that at a minimum Jesus was “exceptional” but He was much more, He was EXTRAORDINARY.
His many healings- e.g. giving sight to a person born blind- my rating Extraordinary
His many miracles-e.g. walking on water- my rating- extraordinary
Deuteronomy 13:1 If there arise among you a prophet, or a dreamer of dreams, and giveth thee a sign or a wonder,
13:2 And the sign or the wonder come to pass, whereof he spake unto thee, saying, Let us go after other gods, which thou hast not known, and let us serve them;
13:3 Thou shalt not hearken unto the words of that prophet, or that dreamer of dreams: for the LORD your God proveth you, to know whether ye love the LORD your God with all your heart and with all your soul.
So, even if any of these alleged miracles actually occured, it does NOT prove that Jesus was from the God of the Bible if he teaches anything that goes against the teachings of the Bible.
HughBe wrote:
His profound teachings- e.g. adultery is not just the act but is in the heart by lusting- my rating revolutionary and extraordinary
His global impact for almost 2000 years- His friends and foes continuously write and discuss Him.- my rating- extraordinary.( I also find it EXTRAORDINARY that you believe people spend an inordinate amount of time discussing an ordinary person like Jesus.)[QUOTE]
People also discuss Buddha, Mahommad and Harry Potter.
[QUOTE who="HughBe"]
His elevation of women- my rating revolutionary and extraordinary
His humility and clearly superior intellect and wisdom to the teachers of His day and of all times e.g. His judgment with respect to the woman caught in the act of adultery. His response, who is without sin cast the first stone, they all left- my rating revolutionary and extraordinary.
His love for all including His enemies- e.g. while on the cross He asked His Father to forgive His executioners- my rating revolutionary and extraordinary.
I am surprised that you didn't mention his teacing about the Golden Rule but then, that was first said by Rabbi Hillel, more than a century before Jesus. The rest of his teachings are likewise not nearly as new and original as Christians want to believe.
The simple fact is that Jesus said or did nothing that would not be inappropriate for an itenerant preacher upset with the laxness of the Jewish heirarchy of the time. All of the claims otherwise were added later, once people like Paul decided to invent a new god named Jesus.

(gotta watch those tags...)

“No Allah: know peace”

Since: Jun 07

A sacred grove in Tujunga, CA

#14 Sep 14, 2008
Arrg! Third time's a charm???
HughBe wrote:
His profound teachings- e.g. adultery is not just the act but is in the heart by lusting- my rating revolutionary and extraordinary
His global impact for almost 2000 years- His friends and foes continuously write and discuss Him.- my rating- extraordinary.( I also find it EXTRAORDINARY that you believe people spend an inordinate amount of time discussing an ordinary person like Jesus.)
People also discuss Buddha, Mahommad and Harry Potter.

(now if only I knew what happened to part 1...)
HughBe

Kingston, Jamaica

#15 Sep 15, 2008
Based on a point made by “Sound Doc” elsewhere, I wrote the following --I would sincerely like to see a logical and reasoned counter to "Sound Doc" point that God had a Son and in particular to his use of Dan 3:25 ""Look!" he answered, "I see four men loose, walking in the midst of the fire; and they are not hurt, and the form of the fourth is like the Son of God" A reasoned counter is appreciated from anyone.

“Preaching Bible.”

Since: Feb 08

Islamabad

#16 Sep 15, 2008
The sons of ALI ( Bin-e- Elyon translated as sons of Most High in the Bible ) referred in Psalm 82:6 and Psalm 138:1 and then confirmed by Jesus Christ at John 10:34-36. These Sons of ELYON /ELI are found Divine ones and named "Ellohim"/Gods.
They were found sitting in the heavenly Assembly with the Bra Ellohim / Great God.

Jesus have confirmed them as divine and have accepted them as Allaha ( Oneness of these holy sons and Gods) and have mentioned them at John 10: 34-36 ( confirming these holy Gods of Psalm 82:6 ).

The holy Qur'an has confirmed these divine Sons and their assembly at Qur'an 37:8 owner of the Highly Exalted Assembly " Mlla-ul-Ea'lla" and
at Qur'an 15:23 as Inheritors ( Inheritors can only the sons in the Law of God )introduced as life and death givers. The divine ones also called Most Highs ( El:Ealein ) at Qur'an 38:75.
These sons / Banoun are also confirmed at Qur'an 37:149-157 and 52:39.

The holy Qur'an has only rejected the son ship of "Begotten ones" those are born of impure sexual activities, like mankind. Therefore, there is no son of God, if he is born of impure birth after a sexual activity. Mankind can not be taken as sons of God at all. The above holy and divine sons of heavenly Assembly are not only divine ones but also introduced as our Creators ( Khaliqoun). The Creators of mankind at Qur'an 56: 57-59.


fed up with the mess

United States

#17 Sep 15, 2008
Liam R wrote:
<quoted text>
To be gramatially correct, Jesus WAS His son while he was alive. But then, so was every other male Jew listed in the Bible, and every one not listed in the Bible. Aside from a bit more (pseudo)biographical writings, there is nothing exceptional about Jesus.
Jesus is alive and in heaven with his father fool!!! Jesus lives!!! He rose again and he IS coming back!!!

“No Allah: know peace”

Since: Jun 07

A sacred grove in Tujunga, CA

#18 Sep 15, 2008
This was supposed to be part 1...
HughBe wrote:
<quoted text>
"Why does the Lord's Prayer begin "Our Father..."? If Jesus was only speaking of his relationship with G-d wouldn't he have said "My Father ..."?
God is our Father if we do His will.
I hope that no children are ever so cursed as to have you as a parent. Even, or especially, when he has done something wrong, I reasure my son that I still love him. He is ALWAYS my son and I amd ALWAYS his father.
HughBe wrote:
And besides this Jesus was teaching His disciples to pray and therefore the use of our Father. You see Eric, God was the Father of Jesus in a different way than He is your Father and my Father. This was clearly understood by the Pharisees of His day See John 5:18 “Therefore the Jews sought the more to kill him, because he not only had broken the sabbath, but said also that God was his Father, making himself equal with God”.
That would not be the first place where the text was altered at a later date to conform with Christianity's invention of the false god Jesus.
HughBe wrote:
Liam R wrote,“Aside from a bit more (pseudo)biographical writings…”
I am now asking him to provide proof of the “(pseudo)biographical writings”.
Well, here's a tiny sliver of the tip of the iceburg:
Matt 1 screws up the geneology by dropping names that were given in 1 Chronicles 3;
Matt 1 claims Mary was a virgin based on a misinterpretation of Isaiah 7:14;
Matt 2 invents the whole flight to Egypt so as to pretend that Hosea 11:1 was prophecy when it is simply a reminder of the Exodus of the tribes of Israel from Egypt;
Matt claims that Herod ordered mass murder, yet nothing like this is mentioned by those chronicling Herod;
Matt 2:23 is an utter lie, there is no such prophecy.
This is just the first two chapters of the first book purporting to be the biography of Jesus. With so many lies and errors, is it ny wonder that I refer to them as the pseudo-biography?
HughBe wrote:
Just a thought it is NEVER good to say things about someone that you cannot support. I do not believe that you would want that to happen to you.
And, as I have just shown, there is more than ample support to show the gospels cannot be taken too seriously. The only real question is whether these represent honest mistakes caused by ignorance on the part of the writers, or were they deliberate lies to pull people away from the God of the Bible?

“No Allah: know peace”

Since: Jun 07

A sacred grove in Tujunga, CA

#19 Sep 15, 2008
HughBe wrote:
Based on a point made by “Sound Doc” elsewhere, I wrote the following --I would sincerely like to see a logical and reasoned counter to "Sound Doc" point that God had a Son and in particular to his use of Dan 3:25 ""Look!" he answered, "I see four men loose, walking in the midst of the fire; and they are not hurt, and the form of the fourth is like the Son of God" A reasoned counter is appreciated from anyone.
I think that I could just copy nd paste the same answer to all of these types of questions and the answer would always be right: "Read it IN context!"

Daniel 3:28 Then Nebuchadnezzar spake, and said, Blessed be the God of Shadrach, Meshach, and Abednego,
>>>who hath sent his angel,<<<
and delivered his servants that trusted in him, and have changed the king's word, and yielded their bodies, that they might not serve nor worship any god, except their own God.

The answer was right there in Daniel all the time.
HughBe

Kingston, Jamaica

#20 Sep 15, 2008
Liam R wrote:
This was supposed to be part 1...
<quoted text>
I hope that no children are ever so cursed as to have you as a parent. Even, or especially, when he has done something wrong, I reasure my son that I still love him. He is ALWAYS my son and I amd ALWAYS his father.
<quoted text>
That would not be the first place where the text was altered at a later date to conform with Christianity's invention of the false god Jesus.
<quoted text>
Well, here's a tiny sliver of the tip of the iceburg:
Matt 1 screws up the geneology by dropping names that were given in 1 Chronicles 3;
Matt 1 claims Mary was a virgin based on a misinterpretation of Isaiah 7:14;
Matt 2 invents the whole flight to Egypt so as to pretend that Hosea 11:1 was prophecy when it is simply a reminder of the Exodus of the tribes of Israel from Egypt;
Matt claims that Herod ordered mass murder, yet nothing like this is mentioned by those chronicling Herod;
Matt 2:23 is an utter lie, there is no such prophecy.
This is just the first two chapters of the first book purporting to be the biography of Jesus. With so many lies and errors, is it ny wonder that I refer to them as the pseudo-biography?
<quoted text>
And, as I have just shown, there is more than ample support to show the gospels cannot be taken too seriously. The only real question is whether these represent honest mistakes caused by ignorance on the part of the writers, or were they deliberate lies to pull people away from the God of the Bible?
You said 'was prophecy when it is simply a reminder of the Exodus of the tribes of Israel from Egypt;
Matt claims that Herod ordered mass murder, yet nothing like this is mentioned by those chronicling Herod;

Debating and discussing are two different things. I am interested in discussing ideas. I am NOT interested in pursing useless and baseless debates. You said “ Matt claims that Herod ordered mass murder, yet nothing like this is mentioned by those chronicling Herod;” My question to you is, kindly tell me of one Egyptian source that document the exodus of God’s people from Egypt?

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