Challenge For Jews Errors In Torah

Challenge For Jews Errors In Torah

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TRUE LOVER

Lahore, Pakistan

#1 Feb 12, 2009
1)First we deal with Astronomy:The Torah speaks about the creation of the universe. In the beginning, 1st Book, Book of Genesis, 1st Ch., it is mentioned - It says…‘Almighty God created the Heavens and the Earth, in six days and talks about a evening and a morning, referring to a 24 -hour day. Today scientists tell us, that the universe cannot be created in a 24 hour period of six days.
2)Torah says in Genesis Ch. No. 1 Verses No. 3 and 5,…‘Light was created on the first day.’ Genesis, Ch., 1 Verses, 14 to 19…‘The cause of light - stars and the sun, etc. was created on the fourth day’. How can the cause of light be created on the 4th day - later than the light which came into existence on the first day?- It is unscientific.
3)The, Torah says Genesis, Ch. 1, Verses 9 to 13…‘Earth was created on the 3rd day. How can you have a night and day without the earth?The day depends upon the rotation of the Earth Without the earth created, how can you have a night and day?
4)Genesis, Ch. No. 1 Verses 9 to 13 says…‘Earth was created on the third day.’ Genesis Ch. No. 1 Verses 14 to 19 says…‘The Sun and the Moon were created on the fourth day.’ Today science tells us…‘Earth is part of the parent body… the sun.’ It cannot come into existence before the sun – It is unscientific.
5)The torah says in Genesis, Ch. No.1, Verse No. 11 to 13…‘The vegetation, the herbs the shrubs, the trees - they were created on the 3rd day And the Sun, Genesis, Ch. No. 1, Verses. 14 to 19, was created on the 4th day.How can the vegetation come into existence without sunlight, and how can they survive without sunlight?
6)The Torah says in Genesis, Ch. 1, Verses No.16, that…‘God created two lights the greater light, the Sun to rule the day, and the lesser light the Moon, to rule the night. The actual translation, if you go to the Hebrew text, it is ‘lamps’…‘Lamps having lights of its own.’ And that you will come to know better, if you read both the Verses – Genesis, Ch. No.1, Verse. 16, as well as 17. Verse No.17 says…‘And Almighty God placed them in the firmament, to give light to the earth… To give light to the earth.’ Indicating, that Sun and the Moon has its own light - which is in contradiction with established scientific knowledge that we have.
TRUE LOVER

Lahore, Pakistan

#2 Feb 12, 2009
In Exodus 24:9-11:
Then went up Moses, and Aaron, Nadab, and Abihu, and seventy of the elders of Israel: And they saw the God of Israel: and there was under his feet as it were a paved work of a sapphire stone, and as it were the body of heaven in his clearness. And upon the nobles of the children of Israel he laid not his hand: also they saw God, and did eat and drink.
Here it says Moses(pbuh) saw the GOD.
In Deuteronomy 4:12:They claim that God said to Moses (peace be upon him), reminding him and the Children of Israel of His Favor:And the LORD spake unto you out of the midst of the fire: ye heard the voice of the words, but saw no similitude; only ye heard a voice.
Exodus:33:20:As to the impossibility of seeing Allah (He be Glorified), they mention in their Book that Moses (peace be upon him) wanted to see Allah Almighty and He said to him:“And he said, Thou canst not see my face: for there shall no man see me, and live.
Here it says he didnt saw him.Clear cut contradiction.
TRUE LOVER

Lahore, Pakistan

#3 Feb 12, 2009
Deuteronomy: 27:4
Therefore it shall be when ye be gone over Jordan, that ye shall set up these stones…in mount Ebal.
This is the text in the Hebraic Version. In the Samaritan Version we find Mount “Gerizim” instead of “Mount Ebal”.
Clear cut cotradiction.
Eric

Lemont, IL

#4 Feb 12, 2009
TRUE LOVER wrote:
Deuteronomy: 27:4
Therefore it shall be when ye be gone over Jordan, that ye shall set up these stones…in mount Ebal.
This is the text in the Hebraic Version. In the Samaritan Version we find Mount “Gerizim” instead of “Mount Ebal”.
Clear cut cotradiction.
No contradiction. People have been mistranslating the Torah for millenia to serve their own purposes. The Samarians wanted to claim right to build a temple on Mt. Gerizim; therefore, they changed the text to suit their purposes. The original text remains unchanged. The Samarian text is the only one that changes the location.
Eric

Lemont, IL

#5 Feb 12, 2009
TRUE LOVER wrote:
In Exodus 24:9-11:
Then went up Moses, and Aaron, Nadab, and Abihu, and seventy of the elders of Israel: And they saw the God of Israel: and there was under his feet as it were a paved work of a sapphire stone, and as it were the body of heaven in his clearness. And upon the nobles of the children of Israel he laid not his hand: also they saw God, and did eat and drink.
Here it says Moses(pbuh) saw the GOD.
In Deuteronomy 4:12:They claim that God said to Moses (peace be upon him), reminding him and the Children of Israel of His Favor:And the LORD spake unto you out of the midst of the fire: ye heard the voice of the words, but saw no similitude; only ye heard a voice.
Exodus:33:20:As to the impossibility of seeing Allah (He be Glorified), they mention in their Book that Moses (peace be upon him) wanted to see Allah Almighty and He said to him:“And he said, Thou canst not see my face: for there shall no man see me, and live.
Here it says he didnt saw him.Clear cut contradiction.
It is not impossible to see the Eternal; it is impossible to see the eternal and live. That is why these people were killed in Numbers 11.
Eric

Lemont, IL

#6 Feb 12, 2009
TRUE LOVER wrote:
1)First we deal with Astronomy:The Torah speaks about the creation of the universe. In the beginning, 1st Book, Book of Genesis, 1st Ch., it is mentioned - It says…‘Almighty God created the Heavens and the Earth, in six days and talks about a evening and a morning, referring to a 24 -hour day. Today scientists tell us, that the universe cannot be created in a 24 hour period of six days.
2)Torah says in Genesis Ch. No. 1 Verses No. 3 and 5,…‘Light was created on the first day.’ Genesis, Ch., 1 Verses, 14 to 19…‘The cause of light - stars and the sun, etc. was created on the fourth day’. How can the cause of light be created on the 4th day - later than the light which came into existence on the first day?- It is unscientific.
3)The, Torah says Genesis, Ch. 1, Verses 9 to 13…‘Earth was created on the 3rd day. How can you have a night and day without the earth?The day depends upon the rotation of the Earth Without the earth created, how can you have a night and day?
4)Genesis, Ch. No. 1 Verses 9 to 13 says…‘Earth was created on the third day.’ Genesis Ch. No. 1 Verses 14 to 19 says…‘The Sun and the Moon were created on the fourth day.’ Today science tells us…‘Earth is part of the parent body… the sun.’ It cannot come into existence before the sun – It is unscientific.
5)The torah says in Genesis, Ch. No.1, Verse No. 11 to 13…‘The vegetation, the herbs the shrubs, the trees - they were created on the 3rd day And the Sun, Genesis, Ch. No. 1, Verses. 14 to 19, was created on the 4th day.How can the vegetation come into existence without sunlight, and how can they survive without sunlight?
6)The Torah says in Genesis, Ch. 1, Verses No.16, that…‘God created two lights the greater light, the Sun to rule the day, and the lesser light the Moon, to rule the night. The actual translation, if you go to the Hebrew text, it is ‘lamps’…‘Lamps having lights of its own.’ And that you will come to know better, if you read both the Verses – Genesis, Ch. No.1, Verse. 16, as well as 17. Verse No.17 says…‘And Almighty God placed them in the firmament, to give light to the earth… To give light to the earth.’ Indicating, that Sun and the Moon has its own light - which is in contradiction with established scientific knowledge that we have.
A learned man once said:

"He it is Who has sent down to thee the Book: In it are verses basic or fundamental (of established meaning); they are the foundation of the Book: others are allegorical. But those in whose hearts is perversity follow the part thereof that is allegorical, seeking discord, and searching for its hidden meanings, but no one knows its hidden meanings except Allah. And those who are firmly grounded in knowledge say: "We believe in the Book; the whole of it is from our Lord:" and none will grasp the Message except men of understanding."

I think that says it all.
TRUE LOVER

Lahore, Pakistan

#7 Feb 13, 2009
Eric wrote:
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A learned man once said:
"He it is Who has sent down to thee the Book: In it are verses basic or fundamental (of established meaning); they are the foundation of the Book: others are allegorical. But those in whose hearts is perversity follow the part thereof that is allegorical, seeking discord, and searching for its hidden meanings, but no one knows its hidden meanings except Allah. And those who are firmly grounded in knowledge say: "We believe in the Book; the whole of it is from our Lord:" and none will grasp the Message except men of understanding."
I think that says it all.
Hahaha quoting verse of Quran 2 protect Torah.
He it is Who has sent down to thee the Book: In it are verses basic or fundamental (of established meaning); they are the foundation of the Book: others are allegorical. But those in whose hearts is perversity follow the part thereof that is allegorical, seeking discord, and searching for its hidden meanings, but no one knows its hidden meanings except Allah. And those who are firmly grounded in knowledge say: "We believe in the Book; the whole of it is from our Lord:" and none will grasp the Message except men of understanding.It is clear from the verse what is making u confusion.It says that there r verses which has hidden meanings.No one knows there meanings expect the God.It says that those who are firmly grounded in knowledge say: "We believe in the Book; the whole of it is from our Lord:" and none will grasp the Message except men of understanding.It is saying 2 that those in whose hearts is perversity follow the part thereof that is allegorical.For example there is verse that says dont pray.But if u read in context the whole verse not only the part of verse then u know it says dont pray when drunk or other things like that.This verse is saying 2 beleive in whole Quran not on some of its parts.That it says dont pray and i am not praying.But u cant point out single error from Quran and i have shown u alot.
TRUE LOVER

Lahore, Pakistan

#8 Feb 13, 2009
Eric wrote:
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It is not impossible to see the Eternal; it is impossible to see the eternal and live. That is why these people were killed in Numbers 11.
Read it once again in deutornomy it says they only hear voice not saw him.It is a clear cut contradiction.
TRUE LOVER

Lahore, Pakistan

#9 Feb 13, 2009
Eric wrote:
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No contradiction. People have been mistranslating the Torah for millenia to serve their own purposes. The Samarians wanted to claim right to build a temple on Mt. Gerizim; therefore, they changed the text to suit their purposes. The original text remains unchanged. The Samarian text is the only one that changes the location.
So,u want 2 say that u dint beleive in Samaritan Version.
Eric

Montgomery, IL

#10 Feb 13, 2009
TRUE LOVER wrote:
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So,u want 2 say that u dint beleive in Samaritan Version.
Exactly. Classic case of one group of people mistranslating to serve their own purpose.
Eric

Montgomery, IL

#11 Feb 13, 2009
TRUE LOVER wrote:
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****But u cant point out single error from Quran and i have shown u alot.
I thought the Quran had built in misconceptions or inconsistencies which were purposeful. I think the word used is abrogations in English or al-naskh wa al-mansukh transliterated.
TRUE LOVER

Lahore, Pakistan

#12 Feb 13, 2009
Eric wrote:
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I thought the Quran had built in misconceptions or inconsistencies which were purposeful. I think the word used is abrogations in English or al-naskh wa al-mansukh transliterated.
What u want 2 say can u post with refrence just as i have done.
Eric

Montgomery, IL

#13 Feb 14, 2009
TRUE LOVER wrote:
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What u want 2 say can u post with refrence just as i have done.
Sorry I choose not to play the game of you trash my religion and I'll trash yours. If I wanted to play that game, I would have done so from the beginning. There are so many websites out there that list inconsistencies in the Quran that it would have been easy to do so.

However, I thought by stating from your religion the idea of allegory, it would show a member of one religion reaching out to someone of another. Besides, I kind of like the idea that was originally stated in your religion of abrogations. It shows that as originally set forth, your religion recognizes that religion must be fluid and subject to change as times change. It's a shame the idea has not carried forward into modern times although your prophet thought it important.
TRUE LOVER

Karachi, Pakistan

#14 Feb 16, 2009
Eric wrote:
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Sorry I choose not to play the game of you trash my religion and I'll trash yours. If I wanted to play that game, I would have done so from the beginning. There are so many websites out there that list inconsistencies in the Quran that it would have been easy to do so.
However, I thought by stating from your religion the idea of allegory, it would show a member of one religion reaching out to someone of another. Besides, I kind of like the idea that was originally stated in your religion of abrogations. It shows that as originally set forth, your religion recognizes that religion must be fluid and subject to change as times change. It's a shame the idea has not carried forward into modern times although your prophet thought it important.
I challenge u 2 prove single error from Quran.You cant even reply 2 these errors which i have shown and i can show more also.
Eric

Montgomery, IL

#15 Feb 16, 2009
TRUE LOVER wrote:
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I challenge u 2 prove single error from Quran.You cant even reply 2 these errors which i have shown and i can show more also.
Like I told you, I choose not to play the game of you trash my religion and I'll trash yours. If you want to play with yourself, that's ok with me. It's ok to play with yourself. It's healthy to do so. It relieves tension sometimes. Everyone does it.
HughBe

Kingston, Jamaica

#16 Feb 16, 2009
Eric wrote:
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Like I told you, I choose not to play the game of you trash my religion and I'll trash yours. If you want to play with yourself, that's ok with me. It's ok to play with yourself. It's healthy to do so. It relieves tension sometimes. Everyone does it.
"If you want to play with yourself, that's ok with me." I support your position

" It's ok to play with yourself. It's healthy to do so." Agree, but be careful of unlawful lust

"It relieves tension sometimes." Agree

"Everyone does it." Disagree
TRUE LOVER

Karachi, Pakistan

#17 Feb 16, 2009
Eric wrote:
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Like I told you, I choose not to play the game of you trash my religion and I'll trash yours. If you want to play with yourself, that's ok with me. It's ok to play with yourself. It's healthy to do so. It relieves tension sometimes. Everyone does it.
Its not a game.If any thing is unscientific its unscientific.I have also shown u unscientific errors,if u think they r not unscientific then prove them.
Eric

Montgomery, IL

#18 Feb 16, 2009
TRUE LOVER wrote:
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Its not a game.If any thing is unscientific its unscientific.I have also shown u unscientific errors,if u think they r not unscientific then prove them.
You are totally correct. It has nothing to do with science. It has everything to do with faith and belief.

But, you go ahead and play with yourself. It's ok with me.
Eric

Montgomery, IL

#19 Feb 16, 2009
HughBe wrote:
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"If you want to play with yourself, that's ok with me." I support your position
" It's ok to play with yourself. It's healthy to do so." Agree, but be careful of unlawful lust
"It relieves tension sometimes." Agree
"Everyone does it." Disagree
I don't think s/he got the joke.
Rabeenaoo Adam Melech

Aurora, CO

#20 Feb 16, 2009
TRUE LOVER wrote:
1)First we deal with Astronomy:The Torah speaks about the creation of the universe. In the beginning, 1st Book, Book of Genesis, 1st Ch., it is mentioned - It says…‘Almighty God created the Heavens and the Earth, in six days and talks about a evening and a morning, referring to a 24 -hour day. Today scientists tell us, that the universe cannot be created in a 24 hour period of six days.
2)Torah says in Genesis Ch. No. 1 Verses No. 3 and 5,…‘Light was created on the first day.’ Genesis, Ch., 1 Verses, 14 to 19…‘The cause of light - stars and the sun, etc. was created on the fourth day’. How can the cause of light be created on the 4th day - later than the light which came into existence on the first day?- It is unscientific.
3)The, Torah says Genesis, Ch. 1, Verses 9 to 13…‘Earth was created on the 3rd day. How can you have a night and day without the earth?The day depends upon the rotation of the Earth Without the earth created, how can you have a night and day?
4)Genesis, Ch. No. 1 Verses 9 to 13 says…‘Earth was created on the third day.’ Genesis Ch. No. 1 Verses 14 to 19 says…‘The Sun and the Moon were created on the fourth day.’ Today science tells us…‘Earth is part of the parent body… the sun.’ It cannot come into existence before the sun – It is unscientific.
5)The torah says in Genesis, Ch. No.1, Verse No. 11 to 13…‘The vegetation, the herbs the shrubs, the trees - they were created on the 3rd day And the Sun, Genesis, Ch. No. 1, Verses. 14 to 19, was created on the 4th day.How can the vegetation come into existence without sunlight, and how can they survive without sunlight?
6)The Torah says in Genesis, Ch. 1, Verses No.16, that…‘God created two lights the greater light, the Sun to rule the day, and the lesser light the Moon, to rule the night. The actual translation, if you go to the Hebrew text, it is ‘lamps’…‘Lamps having lights of its own.’ And that you will come to know better, if you read both the Verses – Genesis, Ch. No.1, Verse. 16, as well as 17. Verse No.17 says…‘And Almighty God placed them in the firmament, to give light to the earth… To give light to the earth.’ Indicating, that Sun and the Moon has its own light - which is in contradiction with established scientific knowledge that we have.
well alleged scientists, do not know G-D nor the power of G-D. any more than they know the difference between, the creation of physicial and spiritual lights. in this world that consistantly has been lying about there being here in TheOnly story HaShem, G-D has ever, always promised to give. since you don't recognize TheTorah for being all here in IT, thrice agains'es.

and adam n chaooah are not the first people here in ThisSame Again Origional and Only Story. since TheTorah is most specifice that Noach and His Family, and whoever those 144,000 animal are. since Adam is the only one, ever mentioned to be made in TheOur HOO VHee eimmij of ElShaddaee (El being masculine for G-D, Shaddaee being femine for G-D) in One Body. as being revealed in the resurrection of adam n chaooah, after Adam is put to death on the tree of life for them to return.

and so Adam is always ThePhysicialGrandson of Noach, Avraham, Daveed, and Shlomoh, as their physical Grandfather. and so for thousands and thousands, of third and fourth Torot times. HaShem G-D has never given any other accounting, for the his son adam, in all of TheHisSearches for TheHisTrue Animal Mate, with all of the her grandcritters, yet to be true to HaShem, here in only and always TheTorah. shalomcha vshalomech???,?...

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