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ARCHEOLOGISTS AGREE: MOSES NEVER EXISTED.

The main book of Judaism, called the Torah (the first 5 books of the Old Testament, "OT") is filled with stories of a man called Moses, the story of Exodus and the persecution of Jews by an Egyptian king who allegedly enslaved them.

The Torah is obvious mythology. The fact that it is fiction is obvious from Book 1, Page 1. The Earth is not 4000 years old. Cultures (unknown to the scribes) flourished much before. Written records and archeological evidence using carbon dating show man's presence tens of thousands of years ago, probably over a 100,000 years ago. A million people cannot live in a vast desert (without water or food) in a hostile nation for 40 years--and leave no trace.

The techniques of higher criticism showed that the Old Testament was weaved together out of four source documents and was produced much later than claimed.

See "The Forgery of the Old Testament" by Joseph McCabe:

http://www.infidels.org/library/historical/jo...

Also see: "The age of Reason", Thomas Paine, in which Paine labels the OT as "spurious."

Furthermore, archaelogical and historical evidence has proven Moses, Exodus, Abraham, Joshua, King David, etc. to be basically myths copied from African and Eastern/Middle Eastern cultures.

For eg., according to Prof. Ze'ev Herzog who teaches in the Department of Archaeology and Ancient Near Eastern Studies at Tel Aviv University, in "Deconstructing the Walls of Jericho", states as follows:

"This is what archaeologists have learned from their excavations in the Land of Israel: the Israelites were never in Egypt, did not wander in the desert, did not conquer the land in a military campaign and did not pass it on to the 12 tribes of Israel. Perhaps even harder to swallow is the fact that the united monarchy of David and Solomon, which is described by the Bible as a regional power, was at most a small tribal kingdom...... Most of those who are engaged in scientific work in the interlocking spheres of the Bible, archaeology and the history of the Jewish people - and who once went into the field looking for proof to corroborate the Bible story - now agree that the historic events relating to the stages of the Jewish people's emergence are radically different from what that story tells." (in an article in the Jewish magazine Haaretz, as republished on):

http://www.truthbeknown.com/biblemyth.htm

For further evidence, see:

http://www.umsl.edu/~thomaskp/prevoff.htm
http://www.jesusneverexisted.com/chosen-peopl...
Book: The Laughing Jesus: Religious Lies and Gnostic Wisdom, by Timothy Freke and Peter Gandy.

http://www.worldagesarchive.com/Reference_Lin... (Harpers).htm

Ancient Egyptians, who kept one of the most detailed ancient historic details, make no mention of any Jews there or other historic events of any "Moses or any "Jew" slaves escaping, though they make mention of one Egyptian slave who once escaped and was caught. The Moses myth was copied from the African myth of Mises.

The fact is there was no Abraham, nor Moses, nor any King David, no enslavement in Egypt, and no Exodus. All these stories are myths copied from prevalent Zorastrian, Egyptian (i.e. African) and other Eastern myths (such as Sargon & Mises/Manu myths, the Code of Hammurabi, etc.) prevalent around that time in the Near East and projected back in time. Moses never existed.

Moses could not have parted the Red Sea, not only because it violates the laws of physics, and there was no Moses, but because there was no Red Sea to cross, since Egypt and Israel have a common land border!
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"Moses could not have parted the Red Sea, not only because it violates the laws of physics, and there was no Moses, but because there was no Red Sea to cross, since Egypt and Israel have a common land border!"

Though Im not a jewish I can say that according to their belief Moses lived in a period between 1500 and 1200 BC. In that period who ruled the Egypt was the 18th dynasty that moved their capital from Memphis to Thebes. From those cities if you decided to move to east you have the Red sea.

What is more curious is that a normal person in Egypt that have been left out, without having no one to run him back, would have never taken the direction of sea without having neither a boat... Let alone thousands of poor hebrews doing that. It's rather more rational to go out of country directly via land.

However, the arguments you brought if they are true, rather show the inconsistency of the Torah stories instead to prove Moses didn't exist, which is kind hard to prove or disprove.
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CORRECTION POST #2

"Moses could not have parted the Red Sea, not only because it violates the laws of physics, and there was no Moses, but because there was no Red Sea to cross, since Egypt and Israel have a common land border!"

Though Im not a jewish I can say that according to their belief Moses lived in a period between 1500 and 1200 BC. In that period who ruled the Egypt was the 18th dynasty that moved their capital from Memphis to Thebes. From those cities if you decided to move to east you have the Red sea.

What is more curious is that a normal person in Egypt that have been left out, without having no one to run him back, would have never taken the direction of sea, A NATURAL BARRIER, without having neither a boat... Let alone thousands of poor hebrews doing that. It's rather more rational to go out of country directly via land. SO, IT SEEMS THAT THE FACT THEY WENT TO THE SEA WAS JUST AN INVENTION USED TO ARRIVE TO BUILD TO THE STORY OF MIRACLE OF DIVISION OF RED SEA.

However, the arguments you brought if they are true, rather show the inconsistency of the Torah stories instead to prove Moses didn't exist, which is kind hard to prove or disprove.
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idiot archeologist, need to read scripture. before jumping to stupid conclusions. since the pharoah, struck the name of Moshe, from every record in egypt. and chances are, they don't even know his, real egyption name either. since they can't even get the name Moshe right. Moshe is a title, not a name. and it means: Savior.
that is as stupid, as looking for the3 name of jesus. a thousand years before the letter j existe i wished i could say, archeologist ca't get any dumber. when i know they can prove that wrong.
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rabbee yehoshooah adam wrote:
idiot archeologist, need to read scripture. before jumping to stupid conclusions. since the pharoah, struck the name of Moshe, from every record in egypt. and chances are, they don't even know his, real egyption name either. since they can't even get the name Moshe right. Moshe is a title, not a name. and it means: Savior.
that is as stupid, as looking for the3 name of jesus. a thousand years before the letter j existe i wished i could say, archeologist ca't get any dumber. when i know they can prove that wrong.
The connection I believe is the Shepard Pharoh kings of northern Egpyt. The pharoh's staff was a cobra snake which Moshe I believe was actually used to defeat the other snakes (symbol of royal power) in scriptures. Akhenaten who lead his people to the desert for 40 years, is basically the same person as Moshe and the history of the Jewish people can be found though this lineage, and the reason why names where hidden was to protect their people from Amen Ra Pharoh worshippers
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The connection I believe is the Shepard Pharoh kings of northern Egpyt. The pharoh's staff was a cobra snake which Moshe I believe was actually used to defeat the other snakes (symbol of royal power) in scriptures. Akhenaten who lead his people to the desert for 40 years, is basically the same person as Moshe and the history of the Jewish people can be found though this lineage, and the reason why names where hidden was to protect their people from Amen Ra Pharoh worshippers
rabbee: well unless it is, actually written in TheTorah. i am not going to, jump to conclusions. since those who, only have titles mentioned. are not necessarily, perminate party. only those whose names, are written in TheTorah are in TheBook of life. everyone else is indeterminate.

just like adam's mate, the woman chaooah is the title(all birth, wide birth, broad birth). so she does not really have an assigned name. and so therefore, adam has not yet, found a true partner for his mate. cause it says so, in TheTorah.

i am not about, to insert or remove anything from TheTorah. without some kind of absolute proof, and confirmed by TheG-D of my visitations. because this insane world, just can't be trusted. and i don't need, more proof of this. than what the christians, have done to TheTorah. and i can't even trust those, who call themselves jews. because of their new testament tanach here in TheTorah now.

i may even have these suspicions, that adam and sarah. could be Avraham and Sarah. but i would not, consider this without G-D confirming what i suspect. that Avraham and Sarah, are the ones christians falsly misname as jesus christ. Who G-D, fit together in OneUnique Body. and then seperated again, as adam and his mate.

this because of the significance, of every 1948 years. which is extreemly, strong evidence for this. and the fact that, adam's mate name for the last two times and this time again is still sarah.

but even with this strong evidence, i stll need G-D, to confirm my suspicions. cause of what happend again, as stated in TheTorah here in this second coming. i can't really, lean upon my own understanding. since i am capable of deceiving myself, because of this woman sarah of denver. who now lives, in pocatello idaho with her two sons, i won't claim as mine this time.

i mean you can all read, about this story. that is just now, happening here in always This Creation Story agains'es. and it is all happening, just the way G-D came and told me. and finally i can confirm this, exactly as it is written in TheTorah Scroll.

so i know for a fact, we are all here in TheTorah. HaShem G-D, is justgiving again. even of this whole world, refuses to see or believe this, is all now in TheHappening. including all the nobodies, here in TheTorah today again.
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Bible is true......read the book first to last ....u will knw it.
Scholar wrote:
CORRECTION POST #2
"Moses could not have parted the Red Sea, not only because it violates the laws of physics, and there was no Moses, but because there was no Red Sea to cross, since Egypt and Israel have a common land border!"
Though Im not a jewish I can say that according to their belief Moses lived in a period between 1500 and 1200 BC. In that period who ruled the Egypt was the 18th dynasty that moved their capital from Memphis to Thebes. From those cities if you decided to move to east you have the Red sea.
What is more curious is that a normal person in Egypt that have been left out, without having no one to run him back, would have never taken the direction of sea, A NATURAL BARRIER, without having neither a boat... Let alone thousands of poor hebrews doing that. It's rather more rational to go out of country directly via land. SO, IT SEEMS THAT THE FACT THEY WENT TO THE SEA WAS JUST AN INVENTION USED TO ARRIVE TO BUILD TO THE STORY OF MIRACLE OF DIVISION OF RED SEA.
However, the arguments you brought if they are true, rather show the inconsistency of the Torah stories instead to prove Moses didn't exist, which is kind hard to prove or disprove.

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I've been reading up on the very topic allrady for 20 years.
In 2008 we finally had a dissertation come out on the Luvian language.
I'm stuck on page 56.

But sofar i find the argumentation in post 1 neither consistent not convincing.(By the way you are telling nothing that is new to me)

But for some reason i keep postponing the subject.
just here and there a remark.
It is the sheer volume of corrections and association that need to be proven.
Plus the dating that is circular.(none can state that such and so happened in Egypt then, since they used the bible and some prejudice to date . And this dating is then again used to date events in the bible. In Egypt it's the sheer lack of artefacts and proper dating.)
The bible is true as far as history goes but language is another barrier. And it is not exactly the history most envisage it to be.
So someone that reads the, as they call it OT, i would not credit whatsoever.:)

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Moses name is attested twice.
As well as jacob once.

Luvian sources corroborate the merneptah stele, the name for what is though israel.

The red sea could have been crossed close to now adays Akaba.

There is also a source that states that the cities pi-ramses etc. were replaced aroud the rule of the priest and that would be closer to 1000 BCE.

If you shift the dates, according to archeological finds and proper dating , just like Finkelstein did...you will find proof and artefacts of certain events.

If you look outside the usual calculation for the date the event happened, you find people criscrossing the desert near watersources (ain this ain that ain such and ain so) allavro.

If peope could live there for three-thousand years then it beats me why they could not have for forty.

KNAN and Syria as well as Libanon have hardly been studied.
And now they threw all archeologists out of the middle-east.
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But i do not do: some guy in 1892 said that according to the calculations moses could not have been destroyed by the pelesht.
This was just one example.

These were the general remarks.

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http://www.worldagesarchive.com/Reference_Lin ...(Harpers).htm

Ancient Egyptians, who kept one of the most detailed ancient historic details, make no mention of any Jews there or other historic events of any "Moses or any "Jew" slaves escaping, though they make mention of one Egyptian slave who once escaped and was caught. The Moses myth was copied from the African myth of Mises.

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old kindom would call Knana: Retjenu.
This seems to me a good starting point.

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And one form of translation of Mises , would be :'knows to run'...i.e.'knows the road'. Moses 'pulled out'.(i'm not minding the spelling right now.)

The name suffix is not attested untill the hyksos period. Hyksos, Hatti, Habiru, Shashu, Hebrews and Hith are associated.
Hittite-Hattili or rather old Nesi, is nowadays called Luvian language, by the time cuneiform was no longer written and hieroglyps came instead. That distinct again from ancient Luvite. Hatti is still called Hattite.

The first question to ask is where did the border run in the old days?
That is the one between Egypt and Hith or Heth. Well near ancient Akko. In a straight line to Omri.
So why do people suppose an Egpt as is today.
And skip the Heth alltogether as a factor.

7th century names and locales are used in the Torah and this is confusing and puts one on the wrong foot.
So this is all about other sources.
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MAAT wrote:
And one form of translation of Mises , would be :'knows to run'...i.e.'knows the road'. Moses 'pulled out'.(i'm not minding the spelling right now.)
The name suffix is not attested untill the hyksos period. Hyksos, Hatti, Habiru, Shashu, Hebrews and Hith are associated.
Hittite-Hattili or rather old Nesi, is nowadays called Luvian language, by the time cuneiform was no longer written and hieroglyps came instead. That distinct again from ancient Luvite. Hatti is still called Hattite.
The first question to ask is where did the border run in the old days?
That is the one between Egypt and Hith or Heth. Well near ancient Akko. In a straight line to Omri.
So why do people suppose an Egpt as is today.
And skip the Heth alltogether as a factor.
7th century names and locales are used in the Torah and this is confusing and puts one on the wrong foot.
So this is all about other sources.
Hi Maat,

For this HVHY is found in Egypt under

Atum-HUHI - heavenly father

Aten

IUTIN The son - air god of light
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Scholar wrote:
CORRECTION POST #2
"Moses could not have parted the Red Sea, not only because it violates the laws of physics, and there was no Moses, but because there was no Red Sea to cross, since Egypt and Israel have a common land border!"
Though Im not a jewish I can say that according to their belief Moses lived in a period between 1500 and 1200 BC. In that period who ruled the Egypt was the 18th dynasty that moved their capital from Memphis to Thebes. From those cities if you decided to move to east you have the Red sea.
What is more curious is that a normal person in Egypt that have been left out, without having no one to run him back, would have never taken the direction of sea, A NATURAL BARRIER, without having neither a boat... Let alone thousands of poor hebrews doing that. It's rather more rational to go out of country directly via land. SO, IT SEEMS THAT THE FACT THEY WENT TO THE SEA WAS JUST AN INVENTION USED TO ARRIVE TO BUILD TO THE STORY OF MIRACLE OF DIVISION OF RED SEA.
However, the arguments you brought if they are true, rather show the inconsistency of the Torah stories instead to prove Moses didn't exist, which is kind hard to prove or disprove.
The Israel you know today is much larger than the one god promised the Hebrews. Modern day Israel's borders were drawn up by the UN and wars

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would have never taken the direction of sea, A NATURAL BARRIER, without having neither a boat.
The reason why Moses led the Hebrews that way, into the sea, was to prove that God will indeed save them by parting the sea. Now, yes, it's logical to go by land, but then the Egyptians who go that route as well.
Thus, a miracle occurred, and the Hebrews were saved.

Ok, is this all made up myth to create a belief in the Jews' God saving them? Probably; Did the Hebrews built the Egyptian pyramids, no, they did not. Were there plagues? No.
Did Moses write every word of the Torah? No. It mentions his death, and what happened afterward.

So, just take your bibles, and tear 'em up, and throw into your local garbage dump.
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Science always prevails, open ur eyes dont be afraid of dying and being worm food and hoping for something better then that
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Romans 1:22
Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools,
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As i understand it, the Egyptian kingdom during the relevant period went all the way to what is now Iran and Iraq, so crossing the red sea would still leave them in the kingdom?
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Till now no archeology has ever proved the historical accuracy of the Bible and Torah to be incorrect. They have found proof of Jews crossing the sea (chariot wheels) and writings in Egyptian. Science of evolution has changed many times and radio dating and carbon dating can only measure in the thousands of years not millions and billions they tell you ! Ask any expert that knows.

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As i understand it, the Egyptian kingdom during the relevant period went all the way to what is now Iran and Iraq, so crossing the red sea would still leave them in the kingdom?
Therefore the only appropiate timeframe would be after the collapse of both the Heth (hittite )- and Egyptian empire.
So closer to the year 1000 BC as a starting point when priest took over to rule Egypt.

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Mark wrote:
Till now no archeology has ever proved the historical accuracy of the Bible and Torah to be incorrect. They have found proof of Jews crossing the sea (chariot wheels) and writings in Egyptian. Science of evolution has changed many times and radio dating and carbon dating can only measure in the thousands of years not millions and billions they tell you ! Ask any expert that knows.
That chariot wheel was a jeep steering wheel.
Heth and Egyptians corresponded.
I would say that more convincing are rock-writing.

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