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Jesus said in John 14:14, KIT "If ever anything you should ask me in the name of me this I shall do." which simply means,'If you ask me anything in my name, I will do it.'
This is a disputed text. There exists manuscript evidence that 'me' may not have been used by the original writer.

at John 14:14 'me' is omitted after 'ask' in the following trinitarian Bibles: KJV; NKJV; ASV; RSV; JB; NEB; REB; MLB; LB; AB; CBW; NLV; LITV; MKJV (Green); Darby; Webster's; and Young's.

However, there is no such dispute about John 16:23 where John wrote: "... whatever you ask the Father for, he will give you in my name." We should ask the Father (not the Son) in Jesus' name.

(John 15:16) YOU did not choose me, but I chose YOU, and I appointed YOU to go on and keep bearing fruit and that YOUR fruit should remain; in order that no matter what YOU ask the Father in my name he might give it to YOU.

(John 16:23) And in that day YOU will ask me no question at all. Most truly I say to YOU, If YOU ask the Father for anything he will give it to YOU in my name.
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The use of jehovah is an ignorance for which, there is no cure.
The fake, fabricated word "jehovah" came from a Catholic Monk.
To insert it into scripture was a sin.
Instead of correcting the error and the continuing demand for the use of a fabricated name is blasphemy.
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This is a disputed text. There exists manuscript evidence that 'me' may not have been used by the original writer.
at John 14:14 'me' is omitted after 'ask' in the following trinitarian Bibles: KJV; NKJV; ASV; RSV; JB; NEB; REB; MLB; LB; AB; CBW; NLV; LITV; MKJV (Green); Darby; Webster's; and Young's.
However, there is no such dispute about John 16:23 where John wrote: "... whatever you ask the Father for, he will give you in my name." We should ask the Father (not the Son) in Jesus' name.
(John 15:16) YOU did not choose me, but I chose YOU, and I appointed YOU to go on and keep bearing fruit and that YOUR fruit should remain; in order that no matter what YOU ask the Father in my name he might give it to YOU.
(John 16:23) And in that day YOU will ask me no question at all. Most truly I say to YOU, If YOU ask the Father for anything he will give it to YOU in my name.
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"And in that day shall ye say, Praise the LORD, call upon his name, declare his doings among the people, make mention that his name is exalted." Is. 12:4, KJV

The KJV renders it LORD!

"You have no proof that they never uttered Gods name."

I have the whole New Testament as proof against you – THUS SAID THE LORD!. Jesus didn't use a single time throughout the NT the name 'Jehovah' except when He was quoting from the Scriptures. Jesus clearly told us "After this manner therefore pray ye: "Our Father which art in heaven" NOT "Our Jehovah..." So, please could you tell me whom should I follow, Jesus Christ or the WTS?

"...You are also teaching others that it is okay to ignore partys of the bible. You are a provable false teacher. "

Whether I am a false teacher in your eyes or not, it doesn't matter; what matters most is that I believe the Word of God in its entirety not parts of it as you may think. I would rather please my Lord God and Saviour Jesus Christ not the 'active force' you are serving!

"Jesus is not God Almighty. He never claimed to be. He is a god an Angel. He did not claim to be equal to God Almighty even when he was in spirit form in heaven before he came to earth. His God and Father is Greater and is his head. The bible especially the New Testament testifies to this. This is what the bible teaches and this is what we believe. I am sorry you are offended by this biblical teaching."

You are utterly wrong! The whole Scriptures testify about Jesus being God, God Almighty, Yahweh, Saviour, King of Israel, the Holy One of Israel, etc. But you are so brainwashed by the WTS that the truth matters no more. Even if God the Father, God the Son and God the Holy Spirit would come to you in their glory, it WOULD NOT convince you!

"Barnes’ Notes on the New Testament makes this honest admission:“The word God is not in the original, and should not have been in the translation. It is in none of the ancient [manuscripts] or versions..."

Whether the word 'God' is in the original or not, it doesn't matter, Stephen still prayed to Jesus not to God, which supports John 14:14 (KIT) where it says, "If ever anything you should ask me in the name of me this I shall do."

According to the Scriptures Jesus is worthy of worship and we can ask anything from Him in His name, which simply means we can pray to Him. Also, in Isaiah 9:6 Jesus is called 'the everlasting Father'. If Jesus is called 'the everlasting Father', because He is, we can certainly call upon His name and pray to Him.

But instead of accepting Jesus as your God and Saviour and honouring Him as you honour the Father, you trample His name under your feet! I can only pray that our God and Saviour Jesus Christ forgives your sins. The devil deceived you and you may be committing the unpardonable sin!

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Reply to posts #565 & #566:
"And in that day shall ye say, Praise the LORD, call upon his name, declare his doings among the people, make mention that his name is exalted." Is. 12:4, KJV
The KJV renders it LORD!
"You have no proof that they never uttered Gods name."
I have the whole New Testament as proof against you – THUS SAID THE LORD!. Jesus didn't use a single time throughout the NT the name 'Jehovah' except when He was quoting from the Scriptures. Jesus clearly told us "After this manner therefore pray ye: "Our Father which art in heaven" NOT "Our Jehovah..." So, please could you tell me whom should I follow, Jesus Christ or the WTS?
"...You are also teaching others that it is okay to ignore partys of the bible. You are a provable false teacher. "
Whether I am a false teacher in your eyes or not, it doesn't matter; what matters most is that I believe the Word of God in its entirety not parts of it as you may think. I would rather please my Lord God and Saviour Jesus Christ not the 'active force' you are serving!
"Jesus is not God Almighty. He never claimed to be. He is a god an Angel. He did not claim to be equal to God Almighty even when he was in spirit form in heaven before he came to earth. His God and Father is Greater and is his head. The bible especially the New Testament testifies to this. This is what the bible teaches and this is what we believe. I am sorry you are offended by this biblical teaching."
You are utterly wrong! The whole Scriptures testify about Jesus being God, God Almighty, Yahweh, Saviour, King of Israel, the Holy One of Israel, etc. But you are so brainwashed by the WTS that the truth matters no more. Even if God the Father, God the Son and God the Holy Spirit would come to you in their glory, it WOULD NOT convince you!
"Barnes’ Notes on the New Testament makes this honest admission:“The word God is not in the original, and should not have been in the translation. It is in none of the ancient [manuscripts] or versions..."
Whether the word 'God' is in the original or not, it doesn't matter, Stephen still prayed to Jesus not to God, which supports John 14:14 (KIT) where it says, "If ever anything you should ask me in the name of me this I shall do."
According to the Scriptures Jesus is worthy of worship and we can ask anything from Him in His name, which simply means we can pray to Him. Also, in Isaiah 9:6 Jesus is called 'the everlasting Father'. If Jesus is called 'the everlasting Father', because He is, we can certainly call upon His name and pray to Him.
But instead of accepting Jesus as your God and Saviour and honouring Him as you honour the Father, you trample His name under your feet! I can only pray that our God and Saviour Jesus Christ forgives your sins. The devil deceived you and you may be committing the unpardonable sin!
Thank you for your concern. I have been giving this great thought lately. First you have to realize that we do not believe that God would have a raging fire waiting to burn in eternal conscious torment the souls put body + brains + nerves of those who do not please Him. The only thing we fear is to displease Jehovah. We know that God is love and He will not allow eternal torture of anyone. But along with that, you need to know that we do not refer in group prayer to God as "our Jehovah." We respectfully call God by his personal Name or we can say Our Father, or heavenly father, but we do not say our Jehovah, just as we do not say our Jesus
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Why do you keep bringing up the NWT? You know that I have used the KJV for your and Rudi's benefit, because you both seem to prefer that translation.
Mark 16:27 says that when Jesus "comes", he comes in his Father's glory.
John 17:5, isn't speaking of when Jesus "comes", so you can't apply that to when he does come. Jesus does have his own glory, but he receives his glory from his Father.
Yes, but the Father doesn't give His glory to another!

"I am the Lord: that is my name: and my glory will I not give to another, neither my praise to graven images." Is. 42:8, KJV.

"For mine own sake, even for mine own sake, will I do it: for how should my name be polluted? and I will not give my glory unto another." Is. 48:11, KJV.
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<quoted text> Thank you for your concern. I have been giving this great thought lately. First you have to realize that we do not believe that God would have a raging fire waiting to burn in eternal conscious torment the souls put body + brains + nerves of those who do not please Him. The only thing we fear is to displease Jehovah. We know that God is love and He will not allow eternal torture of anyone. But along with that, you need to know that we do not refer in group prayer to God as "our Jehovah." We respectfully call God by his personal Name or we can say Our Father, or heavenly father, but we do not say our Jehovah, just as we do not say our Jesus
I don't believe in eternal burning hellfire as some do, I believe the wicked will be destroyed forever and ever NOT burning forever and ever.

I had JWs around for months (probably more than a year), but they always used the name 'Jehovah' and 'Jehovah God' in their prayers and discussions. When I asked them about that, they said they pray to 'Jehovah'! But if someone would respectfully call God by His personal name, won't utter it too frequently the way you, JWs, do it.

I believe it is irreverent to utter God's holy name too frequently like we do with any other [common] name (like yours and mine). Just a thought!

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Reply to posts #565 & #566:
"And in that day shall ye say, Praise the LORD, call upon his name, declare his doings among the people, make mention that his name is exalted." Is. 12:4, KJV
The KJV renders it LORD!
LORD is not a name. It is a title that can be applied to kings, Judges and others of high station. In various KJ versions of the bible it mentions that wherever LORD is mentioned then really Gods name should of been there. The bible still mentions that we are to CALL upon his name.
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"You have no proof that they never uttered Gods name."
I have the whole New Testament as proof against you – THUS SAID THE LORD!. Jesus didn't use a single time throughout the NT the name 'Jehovah' except when He was quoting from the Scriptures.
So you readily admit that he would of mentioned Gods name where it originally was in the old testament.

You don't have proof of anything regarding Jesus's use of his fathers name. You cannot prove that he didn't in fact you actually say he did when reciting the holy scriptures therein contradicting yourself.

The Hebrew scriptures testify to the honourable use of Gods name and calling upon of Jehovah's name by many faithful prophets and friends of God.

The evidence supports the use of Gods name not the non-use of it.

Like the bible says Jesus made his fathers name known and like you admit he said his name when quoting from the scriptures. This along with the mountains of evidence in the Hebrew scriptures leaves your view in tatters and the praising and honourable use and proclaiming of Jehovah name by his faithful servents as the right thing to do. If Jesus made Gods name known then we should too.

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Jesus clearly told us "After this manner therefore pray ye: "Our Father which art in heaven" NOT "Our Jehovah..." So, please could you tell me whom should I follow, Jesus Christ or the WTS?
Jesus also told us:- Matthew 6:7 But when praying, do not say the same things over and over again,......

We do not have to say it exactly like that every time. We always make mention of Jehovah as being our heavenly father in our prayers.

THE true God tells us in his written Word, the Bible:“I am Jehovah. That is my name.”(Isaiah 42:8) Although he also has many titles, such as “Creator,”“Almighty,” and “Sovereign Lord,” he has always honored his loyal servants by letting them address him by his personal name.

For example, the prophet Moses once began to implore God by saying:“Excuse me, Jehovah.”(Exodus 4:10) At the dedication of the temple in Jerusalem, King Solomon opened his prayer with the words:“O Jehovah.”(1 Kings 8:22, 23) And when the prophet Isaiah addressed God on behalf of the people of Israel, he said:“You, O Jehovah, are our Father.”(Isaiah 63:16) Clearly, our heavenly Father invites us to address him by name.

While addressing Jehovah by name is important, truly knowing him by name involves more. Regarding an individual who loves him and trusts in him, Jehovah promises:“I shall protect him because he has come to know my name.”(Psalm 91:14) Clearly, knowing God’s name must embrace a wealth of meaning, since it is a key factor in receiving God’s protection.

Do you not agree Rudi?

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Rudi wrote:
"...You are also teaching others that it is okay to ignore partys of the bible. You are a provable false teacher. "
Whether I am a false teacher in your eyes or not, it doesn't matter; what matters most is that I believe the Word of God in its entirety not parts of it as you may think. I would rather please my Lord God and Saviour Jesus Christ not the 'active force' you are serving!
We do not serve an active force. We serve the Father and GOD of Jesus, Jehovah.
Rudi wrote:
"Jesus is not God Almighty. He never claimed to be. He is a god an Angel. He did not claim to be equal to God Almighty even when he was in spirit form in heaven before he came to earth. His God and Father is Greater and is his head. The bible especially the New Testament testifies to this. This is what the bible teaches and this is what we believe. I am sorry you are offended by this biblical teaching."
You are utterly wrong! The whole Scriptures testify about Jesus being God, God Almighty, Yahweh, Saviour, King of Israel, the Holy One of Israel, etc. But you are so brainwashed by the WTS that the truth matters no more. Even if God the Father, God the Son and God the Holy Spirit would come to you in their glory, it WOULD NOT convince you!
"Barnes’ Notes on the New Testament makes this honest admission:“The word God is not in the original, and should not have been in the translation. It is in none of the ancient [manuscripts] or versions..."
Whether the word 'God' is in the original or not, it doesn't matter, Stephen still prayed to Jesus not to God, which supports John 14:14 (KIT) where it says, "If ever anything you should ask me in the name of me this I shall do."
According to the Scriptures Jesus is worthy of worship and we can ask anything from Him in His name, which simply means we can pray to Him. Also, in Isaiah 9:6 Jesus is called 'the everlasting Father'. If Jesus is called 'the everlasting Father', because He is, we can certainly call upon His name and pray to Him.
But instead of accepting Jesus as your God and Saviour and honouring Him as you honour the Father, you trample His name under your feet! I can only pray that our God and Saviour Jesus Christ forgives your sins. The devil deceived you and you may be committing the unpardonable sin!
You actually didn't explain anything here you just quoted some scriptures and expounded your view on them which you are entitled to do but isn't convincing me as I have studied this long and hard and have mustered every scripture together with the most reliable oldest well attested to manuscripts and realized your theology is not correct. If i am wrong I will accept it but my research has not led me to this conclusion as you can see. Jesus taught us to pray to his father. You are praying to the wrong person which makes me understand why you are so confused. You are making up every excuse to reject Jehovah God and many things he has had written down afforetime for our instruction. If you think that is what Jesus taught then i feel sorry for you.
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Gods Kingdom Rules wrote:
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LORD is not a name. It is a title that can be applied to kings, Judges and others of high station. In various KJ versions of the bible it mentions that wherever LORD is mentioned then really Gods name should of been there. The bible still mentions that we are to CALL upon his name.
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"LORD is not a name. It is a title that can be applied to kings, Judges and others of high station. In various KJ versions of the bible it mentions that wherever LORD is mentioned then really Gods name should of been there. The bible still mentions that we are to CALL upon his name."

Uttering God's name doesn't save you. God is not looking for a people like you, JWs, who emphasize the name 'Jehovah', but God is looking for people who honour Him and do His will. For example, children don't call their father on their first name but 'dad' or 'mom', yet between children and parents exists the strongest relationship human can ever explain. So was with Jesus when on earth, He called 'Father','Abba Father' and 'God' in His prayer [when communing with His Father], but never 'Jehovah'. If Jesus called God 'Father' and taught us to pray as such, who do you, JWs, think you are to follow your falsehoods? I am a follower of Christ!
"And they departed from the presence of the council, rejoicing that they were counted worthy to suffer shame for his name." Acts 5:41, KJV. The apostles suffered shame not for the name of 'Jehovah', but for His [Jesus'] name.

"You don't have proof of anything regarding Jesus's use of his fathers name. You cannot prove that he didn't in fact you actually say he did when reciting the holy scriptures therein contradicting yourself."

There is a difference between 'reciting' and 'using' God's name! As I already said, Jesus never prayed by using the name 'Jehovah'. The relationship between God and Him was so strong that He called Him 'Father'. Jesus showed us an example how our relationship should be between us and God.

"But when ye pray, use not vain repetitions, as the heathen do: for they think that they shall be heard for their much speaking." Mat. 6:7, KJV.
"Jesus also told us:- Matthew 6:7 But when praying, do not say the same things over and over again,......"

We, Christians, are saying thinks over and over again. We, Christians, do not use God's holy name as frequently as you, JWs, do. We believe it is irreverent to use the name of 'Jehovah' in such a manner.
We follow the teachings of Jesus not of men! It is more blessing in a prayer that comes from the heart without uttering the name 'Jehovah' than in a prayer in which we are using the name of 'Jehovah', God's holy name, like any other common name. And another thing, you are actually more repetitive than anyone else. JWs are the only one on the face of the earth that are using God's name so irreverently.

"I am the LORD: that is my name: and my glory will I not give to another, neither my praise to graven images." Is. 42:8, KJV.

"And Moses said unto the LORD, O my LORD, I am not eloquent, neither heretofore, nor since thou hast spoken unto thy servant: but I am slow of speech, and of a slow tongue." Ex. 4:10, KJV.

"22 And Solomon stood before the altar of the LORD in the presence of all the congregation of Israel, and spread forth his hands toward heaven:
23 And he said, LORD God of Israel, there is no God like thee, in heaven above, or on earth beneath, who keepest covenant and mercy with thy servants that walk before thee with all their heart:" 1 Ki. 8:22-23, KJV.

"Doubtless thou art our father, though Abraham be ignorant of us, and Israel acknowledge us not: thou, O LORD, art our father, our redeemer; thy name is from everlasting." Is. 63:16, KJV.
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<quoted text> We do not serve an active force. We serve the Father and GOD of Jesus, Jehovah.
<quoted text>You actually didn't explain anything here you just quoted some scriptures and expounded your view on them which you are entitled to do but isn't convincing me as I have studied this long and hard and have mustered every scripture together with the most reliable oldest well attested to manuscripts and realized your theology is not correct. If i am wrong I will accept it but my research has not led me to this conclusion as you can see. Jesus taught us to pray to his father. You are praying to the wrong person which makes me understand why you are so confused. You are making up every excuse to reject Jehovah God and many things he has had written down afforetime for our instruction. If you think that is what Jesus taught then i feel sorry for you.
It is not my theology, but it is the Word of God which you wholeheartedly and willingly reject. I am not here to convince you or convict you – if the Holy Spirit (which according to you is an 'active force') cannot convict you neither do I.

The whole Scriptures testify about Jesus being God which you utterly deny. To ignore the Word of God is to ignore the Godhead – God the Father, God the Son and God the Holy Spirit.

To believe that the Holy Spirit is an 'active force' is to believe falsehoods and serve a false prophet. I feel terribly sorry for you. But that's your own decision which even God Himself respects! We are created with a free will!

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i testify as a witness to everyone, that i worship jesus, the appointed one of god, my father eternal to handle my salvation.... i worship him in obesance, and worship as my god, the real word of god the creator himself,.... god himself, in the form of his word

i witness that i realize its him, god, and do stuff like witness to that fact

i am a witness
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Gods Kingdom Rules wrote:
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(Isa. 12:4)
“Give thanks to Jehovah, you people! Call upon his name. Make known among the peoples his dealings. Make mention that his name is put on high.”
(Isa 38:23) And I shall certainly magnify myself and sanctify myself and make myself known before the eyes of many nations; and they will have to know that I am Jehovah.’
(Psalm 20:7) Some concerning chariots and others concerning horses, But, as for us, concerning the name of Jehovah our God we shall make mention.
(Psalm 145:1, 2) I will exalt you, O my God the King, And I will bless your name to time indefinite, even forever. 2 All day long I will bless you, And I will praise your name to time indefinite, even forever."

“YOU must pray, then, this way:“‘Our Jesus in the heavens,
Beautiful scriptures , I do hope people took the time to read them...full of wonderful information.

And I do like the way you bring out the fact Jesus taught us to pray " OUR Father in heaven" showing that God is not only his Father but OUR Father as well..The "OUR" being inclusive in being in relationship with Jesus.

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Yes, but the Father doesn't give His glory to another!
"I am the Lord: that is my name: and my glory will I not give to another, neither my praise to graven images." Is. 42:8, KJV.
"For mine own sake, even for mine own sake, will I do it: for how should my name be polluted? and I will not give my glory unto another." Is. 48:11, KJV.
(I said>)Jesus does have his own glory, but he receives his glory from his Father.

I didn't say that Jehovah gives His glory to His Son. The Scriptures say that the Father gives Jesus his own glory.

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(I said>)Jesus does have his own glory, but he receives his glory from his Father.
I didn't say that Jehovah gives His glory to His Son. The Scriptures say that the Father gives Jesus his own glory.
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Uttering God's name doesn't save you. God is not looking for a people like you, JWs, who emphasize the name 'Jehovah', but God is looking for people who honour Him and do His will. For example, children don't call their father on their first name but 'dad' or 'mom', yet between children and parents exists the strongest relationship human can ever explain. So was with Jesus when on earth, He called 'Father','Abba Father' and 'God' in His prayer [when communing with His Father], but never 'Jehovah'. If Jesus called God 'Father' and taught us to pray as such, who do you, JWs, think you are to follow your falsehoods? I am a follower of Christ!
There is a difference between 'reciting' and 'using' God's name! As I already said, Jesus never prayed by using the name 'Jehovah'. The relationship between God and Him was so strong that He called Him 'Father'. Jesus showed us an example how our relationship should be between us and God.
"But when ye pray, use not vain repetitions, as the heathen do: for they think that they shall be heard for their much speaking." Mat. 6:7, KJV.
"Jesus also told us:- Matthew 6:7 But when praying, do not say the same things over and over again,......"
We, Christians, are saying thinks over and over again. We, Christians, do not use God's holy name as frequently as you, JWs, do. We believe it is irreverent to use the name of 'Jehovah' in such a manner.
We follow the teachings of Jesus not of men! It is more blessing in a prayer that comes from the heart without uttering the name 'Jehovah' than in a prayer in which we are using the name of 'Jehovah', God's holy name, like any other common name. And another thing, you are actually more repetitive than anyone else. JWs are the only one on the face of the earth that are using God's name so irreverently.
"I am the LORD: that is my name: and my glory will I not give to another, neither my praise to graven images." Is. 42:8, KJV.
"And Moses said unto the LORD, O my LORD, I am not eloquent, neither heretofore, nor since thou hast spoken unto thy servant: but I am slow of speech, and of a slow tongue." Ex. 4:10, KJV.
"22 And Solomon stood before the altar of the LORD in the presence of all the congregation of Israel, and spread forth his hands toward heaven:
23 And he said, LORD God of Israel, there is no God like thee, in heaven above, or on earth beneath, who keepest covenant and mercy with thy servants that walk before thee with all their heart:" 1 Ki. 8:22-23, KJV.
"Doubtless thou art our father, though Abraham be ignorant of us, and Israel acknowledge us not: thou, O LORD, art our father, our redeemer; thy name is from everlasting." Is. 63:16, KJV.
Rudi,

Each time you see "LORD" in the verses, that are at the end of your post, means that in the original text, God's personal name was there, and should be there in the English translation.

We have Scriptural examples recorded in God's Word of how we can frequently use God's personal name, and that it is completely proper to do so.

2 Samuel 7:18-22
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18 Then David the king went in, and sat before Jehovah; and he said, Who am I, O Lord Jehovah, and what is my house, that thou hast brought me thus far?

19 And this was yet a small thing in thine eyes, O Lord Jehovah; but thou hast spoken also of thy servant's house for a great while to come; and this too after the manner of men, O Lord Jehovah!

20 And what can David say more unto thee? for thou knowest thy servant, O Lord Jehovah.

21 For thy word's sake, and according to thine own heart, hast thou wrought all this greatness, to make thy servant know it.

22 Wherefore thou art great, O Jehovah God: for there is none like thee, neither is there any God besides thee, according to all that we have heard with our ears.

Here, David in prayer to his heavenly Father, uses God's personal name 5 times in just a few sentences that take only about 30 seconds to read.

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why do you suppose jesus never uttered the word jehovah, and taught his followers to use "father"?

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Rudi wrote:
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This is but denying Jesus' Deity.
"And Jesus said unto him, Why callest thou me good? none is good, save one, that is, God." Luke 18:19, KJV.
Jesus is challenging the religious leader to wake up and understand the truth that stands right in front of him. If he is calling Jesus "good," then he must come to understand that Jesus is God and not play religious games, but come to truly believe. Jesus isn't denying that he is God; Jesus is affirming that he is God and that man truly needs to acknowledge that he is. Eternal questions are not simply religious speculation, but the core questions of the human soul. Only God can answer those questions. So if he is going to ask Jesus this question, he needs to pay attention and place his faith in Jesus' answer. So do we!
You follow the Roman hoax of Christianity. It has nothing to do with the historical Christianity of the historical Jesus who was as I said, a normal human being like you and I. This can be confirmed by proper research and not blindly accepting the bible without examining it in the proper context.

When you try to read proof for your preconceived notions you will seemingly find it there. This is what the organization of Jehovah's Witnesses do. Why do you think there are over 32000 different sects of so-called Christianity all using the same bible to come up with different points of view?

People read into the bible what defends what they already believe.

But there is a very real message to be found there and it isn't the Roman hoax of Christianity based on conditional love.

We all need to get informed as to the evil nature of the Roman hoax of Christianity and it's many derivatives, such as the organization of Jehovah's Witnesses, that deny the Jewish GOD and the Jewish Jesus, and get involved in restoring true Christianity based on the OMNIPRESENT GOD of Israel to humanity that is even now being found to be in accord with the latest scientific findings concerning the nature of the Cosmos!

GOD is LOVE. WE are ALL ONE WITH GOD, even the unloving!

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In regards to my above post I wish to add this:

Rudi,,

your interpretation of Luke 18:19 is a perfect example of people using the bible blindly to defend their preconceived notions. It is the most absurd twisting of this scripture I have heard yet.
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Grandpasmurf952 wrote:
In regards to my above post I wish to add this:
Rudi,,
your interpretation of Luke 18:19 is a perfect example of people using the bible blindly to defend their preconceived notions. It is the most absurd twisting of this scripture I have heard yet.
Why? Do you believe Jesus was not good? Why, therefore, would he call himself the Good Shepherd? John 10:11

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red blood relative wrote:
why do you suppose jesus never uttered the word jehovah, and taught his followers to use "father"?
Jesus was Jehovah's Son, so he naturally used "Father". When ever

Jesus qouted from the OT, he used "Jehovah".

Luke 4:18
New King James Version (NKJV)

18 “The Spirit of the LORD is upon Me,
Because He has anointed Me
To preach the gospel to the poor;
He has sent Me to heal the brokenhearted,
To proclaim liberty to the captives
And recovery of sight to the blind,
To set at liberty those who are oppressed;

Even the NKJV shows that "Jehovah" should be here as Jesus quotes from Isaiah 61, as they place "LORD" in all capitals.

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