Transfused Blood Will Provide Food--S...

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#45 Nov 16, 2012
Thirdwitness wrote:
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I believe I have clearly answered that. Noah could not use blood as food or nourishment/fuel for the body. Blood transplanted intravenously is blood used as food and nourishment or fuel for the body.
However, if Noah felt like transplanting a bucket of blood from one place to another where he would pour it out, because he did not want blood on his doorstep and perhaps it would aid in relieving the stiffness or pain in his sore shoulder, I suppose he would have had to use his own judgement in that case.
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#46 Nov 16, 2012
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From post 43[1]:
Thirdwitness wrote:
A simple question for Marvin that he will no doubt have trouble answering honestly and straightforwardly.
Is glucose catabolized? Hint[1]
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1. "glucose...released into the blood to be transported to cells, where IT WILL BE CATABOLYZED."--Metabolism by Dr. Sharon A. Spring, B.S., D.C.


Oxygen molecules are catabolized. So what?

Glucose is catabolized by the body[2] but NOT LIKE blood[2] is catabolized by the body.

Marvin Shilmer
http://marvinshilmer.blogspot.com
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References:

1. Post 43: http://www.topix.com/forum/religion/jehovahs-...

2. Post 39: http://www.topix.com/forum/religion/jehovahs-...

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#47 Nov 16, 2012
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From post 44[1]:
Thirdwitness wrote:
I believe I have clearly answered that. Noah could not use blood as food or nourishment/fuel for the body. Blood transplanted intravenously is blood used as food and nourishment or fuel for the body.
Fine. You believe Noah was prohibited from intravenous transplantation of blood for medicinal remedy of disease and/or pain relief.

What about nutritional transplantation of blood for medical remedy of disease and/or pain that was administered topically like an ointment? Was Noah prohibited from this use of blood?

Marvin Shilmer
http://marvinshilmer.blogspot.com
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References:

1. Post 44: http://www.topix.com/forum/religion/jehovahs-...
Thirdwitness

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#48 Nov 16, 2012
Marvin Shilmer wrote:
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From post 43[1]:
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Oxygen molecules are catabolized. So what?
Glucose is catabolized by the body
Alright an honest and straightforward answer. Now

When glucose that has been fed intravenously is catabolized for energy is is digested by the stomach?

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#49 Nov 16, 2012
Thirdwitness,

- What about nutritional transplantation of blood for medical remedy of disease and/or pain that was administered topically like an ointment? Was Noah prohibited from this use of blood?

Marvin Shilmer
http://marvinshilmer.blogspot.com

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#50 Nov 16, 2012
Nice to hear that you are still alive.. Third Witness...

You have unfinished business here...

So...

Do you really mean that a waiter also is serving his own body, when he deliver the food to a guest, at a restaurant... Similary to and when the body get use of the nutrient carried around via the blood in the circulatory system, which it collect and carry to the bodys different tissues...?

Pls. Save us from more of your techncalities in question of the catabolic process...

There is absolutely no difference in question of the bodys interacting between a patients own blood and donated blood, in question of the catabolic process...

A starving person which only recieve blood transfusions will die of hunger... Period.
Thirdwitness

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#51 Nov 16, 2012
Rather than divert to another subject why don't you fellows address the subject of this topic by addressing all the questions asked in the first few posts?

For example, either iron in transfused blood will be used as nutrient for the body or it will not, which is it?

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#52 Nov 16, 2012
Thirdwitness wrote:
Rather than divert to another subject why don't you fellows address the subject of this topic by addressing all the questions asked in the first few posts?
For example, either iron in transfused blood will be used as nutrient for the body or it will not, which is it?
Thirdwitness,

- What about nutritional transplantation of blood for medical remedy of disease and/or pain that was administered topically like an ointment? Was Noah prohibited from this use of blood?

Marvin Shilmer
http://marvinshilmer.blogspot.com

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#53 Nov 16, 2012

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#54 Nov 16, 2012
Thirdwitness wrote:

I don't hide from questions like some people do when they realize the honest answer refutes their claims.

That sounds good Third Witness... since you have further business here...

Tel us whether a Jew, which has eaten a carcass a self dead unclean annimal, with al its coaglated blood, also has eaten blood or not, for sustaining life... Leviticus 17:15...

If you answer will be yes then...

Then tell us why a Jew, which have eaten blood wasn't cut of... if it was a relly NO NO a gross violation of Gods commandments to the righteous Noah, Jews and Christians... as your idols the Governing Bodys have mind controlled you and Cronies to belive, based at threats and with sanctions, with reference to Genesis 9:4, Leviticus 17:13, Acts 15:20,29... even when lives are at risk...?
Thirdwitness

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#55 Nov 16, 2012
The subject of this thread is whether transfused blood will provide nutrients. In line with this the question of catabolism of glucose vs catabolism of blood has been raised. Thus the question:

When glucose that has been fed intravenously is catabolized for energy is it digested by the stomach?

It is a very simple question. Can you answer honestly and straightforwardly?

Now let's also look at the definition of catabolism.

"1. destructive metabolism; the breaking down in living organisms of more complex substances into simpler ones, with the release of energy"

Questions:

1. Is the catabolizing of blood "breaking down ...complex substances into simpler ones, with the release of energy"

2. Is the catabolizing of glucose "breaking down ...complex substances into simpler ones, with the release of energy"

Simple easy to answer questions. Marvin, are you up to answering honestly and straightforwardly? Let's see.

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#56 Nov 16, 2012
Thirdwitness wrote:
BLOOD SHOULD NOT SERVE AS FOOD
Why don't you tell us all under which conditions the righteous Noah was instructed not to eat blood... Genesis 9:4...

Was it when a life has been taken...?

Furthermore under which conditions and why a Jew was cut off when he or she has eaten the blood from a killed annimal... Leviticus 15:13...

Was it also when a life has been taken...?

Then and again... under which conditions a Jew... which has eaten all the coagulated blood in a carcass wasn't cut off... Leviticus 17:15...?

Was it because no life has been taken...?

Sauls men wasn't cut off when they ate the slain annnimals with its blood in...

Was it because their lives was more important than a metaphor for life... the blood...?

Furthermore why Jesus apostle, David and his men wasn't cut off when they worked at the Sabbath... Matthew 12:1-8...

Mose sentenced a man colleting wood to the death, for working at the Sabbath...:HUH:

Was it because sustaining life was more important than maintaining the law...?

Finally for this time, why didn't Jesus condemned the women with the bleeds, when she touched him...

Was it because her life was or culd be at risk, due to the bleedings and having faith in him, which was equal to life, rather than men and being afraid for the Scribes and Pharisees, was more important than maintaing the Law...?

I believe that readers and all others, which isn't mind controlled like you and your Cronies of the Governing Bodys, your idols and our days modern Scribes and Pharisees Jeremiah 8:8,9... can see the red thread, that the blood was only a metaphor for life and when lives was at risk, a life was more holy, precious and important for God and Jesus Christ than maintaining the law, opposite for the Scribes and Pharisees... with exactly the same result as those described in Jeremiah 7:31,32 and your idols continue to bury... due to their evil and weird doctrines of men...:HUH:

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#57 Nov 16, 2012
Thirdwitness wrote:
The subject of this thread is whether transfused blood will provide nutrients. In line with this the question of catabolism of glucose vs catabolism of blood has been raised. Thus the question:
When glucose that has been fed intravenously is catabolized for energy is it digested by the stomach?
It is a very simple question. Can you answer honestly and straightforwardly?
Now let's also look at the definition of catabolism.
"1. destructive metabolism; the breaking down in living organisms of more complex substances into simpler ones, with the release of energy"
Questions:
1. Is the catabolizing of blood "breaking down ...complex substances into simpler ones, with the release of energy"
2. Is the catabolizing of glucose "breaking down ...complex substances into simpler ones, with the release of energy"
Simple easy to answer questions. Marvin, are you up to answering honestly and straightforwardly? Let's see.
Third Witness...

Why do you act like the Scribes and Pharisees which Jesus condemned in the whole of Matthew chapter 23...:HUH:

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#58 Nov 16, 2012
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From post 55[1]:
Thirdwitness wrote:
The subject of this thread is whether transfused blood will provide nutrients. In line with this the question of catabolism of glucose vs catabolism of blood has been raised. Thus the question:
When glucose that has been fed intravenously is catabolized for energy is it digested by the stomach?
It is a very simple question. Can you answer honestly and straightforwardly?
Now let's also look at the definition of catabolism.
"1. destructive metabolism; the breaking down in living organisms of more complex substances into simpler ones, with the release of energy"
Questions:
1. Is the catabolizing of blood "breaking down ...complex substances into simpler ones, with the release of energy"
2. Is the catabolizing of glucose "breaking down ...complex substances into simpler ones, with the release of energy"
Simple easy to answer questions. Marvin, are you up to answering honestly and straightforwardly? Let's see.
An important part of THIS DISCUSSION is what Noah was required to abstain from. If that is NOT AN IMPORTANT aspect of THIS DISCUSSION then for me this discussion is over.

So take your pick:

1. Either answers questions asked of you as you expect your questions answered, or,

2. Don’t expect me to answer your questions.

So what’s it going to be, Thirdwitness?

Again:

- What about nutritional transplantation of blood for medical remedy of disease and/or pain that was administered topically like an ointment? Was Noah prohibited from this use of blood?

It is a very simple question. Can you answer honestly and straightforwardly?

Marvin Shilmer
http://marvinshilmer.blogspot.com
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1. Post 55: http://www.topix.com/forum/religion/jehovahs-...
little lamb

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#59 Nov 16, 2012
Veritas 69 wrote:
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...?
Furthermore under which conditions and why a Jew was cut off when he or she has eaten the blood from a killed annimal... Leviticus 15:13...
Was it also when a life has been taken...?
Then and again... under which conditions a Jew... which has eaten all the coagulated blood in a carcass wasn't cut off... Leviticus 17:15...?

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. Leviticus 15:13..." Now in case the one having a running discharge would be come clean from his running discharge he must then count for himself seven days for his purification , and wash his garments and bathe his flesh in running water and be made clean."

Nothing about blood there..running discharge could be puss.

Leviticus 17 [15]" As for any soul that eats a body already dead or something torn by wild beast , whether a native or an alien resident , he must in that case wash his garments...."

So again there is no blood mentioned , it says they eat the BODY...nothing about BLOOD..and they had to wash their garments or

"But if they will not wash them and will not bathe his flesh , he must also answer for his error."

You only assume they eat the coagulated blood..

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#60 Nov 16, 2012
little lamb,

Ancient worshippers of God such as Job and Cornelius were neither Jewish nor Christian. Yet God provided these non-Israelite individuals with unbled carcassed dead of natural cause specifically to eat.(Deut. 14:21)

If God felt eating unbled flesh of animals that were not SLAUGHTERED (as Noah was told to do) was okay to eat by non-Israelite worshippers of His they why should we?

Marvin Shilmer
http://marvinshilmer.blogspot.com
Claude Kenneson

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#61 Nov 16, 2012
Do JW's consider an organ transplant like liver or kidney nourishment for the body? If not, why do you consider a blood transplant nourishment? It's Watchtower b.s., I tell you.

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#62 Nov 16, 2012
Marvin Shilmer wrote:
little lamb,
Ancient worshippers of God such as Job and Cornelius were neither Jewish nor Christian. Yet God provided these non-Israelite individuals with unbled carcassed dead of natural cause specifically to eat.(Deut. 14:21)
If God felt eating unbled flesh of animals that were not SLAUGHTERED (as Noah was told to do) was okay to eat by non-Israelite worshippers of His they why should we?
Marvin Marvin Marvin,

I know how you hate to answer questions but there is one question that I can ask you that will destroy your whole line of reasoning here that we can eat unbled flesh of animals that were not slaughtered just like foreigners in Israelite times. Ready?

Could foreigners eat 'things strangled'?

Could/Can Christians eat 'things strangled'?

And by the way, it doesn't matter if you answer. We all know your logic has been decimated with these two simple easy to answer questions.

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#63 Nov 16, 2012
Marvin has asked: "What about nutritional transplantation of blood for medical remedy of disease and/or pain that was administered topically like an ointment? Was Noah prohibited from this use of blood?"

And he threatens: "1. Either answers questions asked of you as you expect your questions answered, or,
2. Don’t expect me to answer your questions."

I swear this guy will do anything to divert and avoid answering simple easy questions.

Very well.

First off, I think your use of the word 'transplant' in describing rubbing blood on the skin is a bit of a stretch when speaking in medical terms. As regard the medical use of the word transplant we find this definition at dictionary.com : "Surgery . to transfer (an organ, tissue, etc.) from one part of the body to another or from one person or animal to another". But if you want to use the word transplant to generically mean "to move from one place to another", then fine.

If Noah 'transplanted' blood on his skin even though he believed he should have poured the blood out on the ground, that would be wrong.

If Noah 'transplanted' blood on his skin for the purpose of gaining food or nutrition for his body, that would be wrong.

Otherwise if Noah rubbed blood on his skin because he was a moron and just felt like foolishly discarding everything he had learned about the healing power of plants, that would be wrong also. Proverbs 5:23: "in the abundance of his foolishness he goes astray"
(See http://www.topix.com/forum/religion/jehovahs-... )

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#64 Nov 16, 2012
Adding to the collection of many questions that Marvin is afraid to answer for fear he will expose his logical fallacies:

When glucose that has been fed intravenously is catabolized for energy is it digested by the stomach?

One small easy question to answer for men without anti-JW agendas,
One giant hard question for a man like Marvin.

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