A former Jehovah's Witness tells his frightening story

Jan 9, 2013 Full story: CJAD 206

Are the Jehovah's Witnesses a cult? One of my guests tonight says absolutely yes.

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Since: Nov 09

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#21 Jan 11, 2013
True Christian witness wrote:
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The early Christians always followed the direction of the brothers of Jesus, the apostles. The Scriptures teach that women are to be silent in directing the congregation, that responsibility was for the men who met the qualifications for giving that direction.
1Corinthians 14:34
Sisters in the congregation are also ministers, they preach and teach the Bible in field service, they answer at the meetings, and if they want to voice a complaint, that is if they do not have a husband, they can ask any elder what they should do about it, he will be happy to show them the Scriptural direction.
You said that if they have a complaint, and they want to voice it, they cant go to an Elder if they have a husband? Now tell me why is that? Isn't that being a bit male chauvinist? She has as much right to approach an Elder as her husband does.
Dr Shrink

Baltimore, MD

#22 Jan 11, 2013
KDMensch wrote:
<quoted text>Dass, vom anfang bis zu ende war durch und durch Unsinn!
REALLY YOUR GRAMMAR IS HORIBLE, have not idea what you mean?
it is maybe
es war dass?
vom anfang ganze Zeit bis zu ende voll Unsinn??????
try to correct your google translations in german?
KDMensch

Glendale, AZ

#23 Jan 11, 2013
Dr Shrink wrote:
<quoted text>
REALLY YOUR GRAMMAR IS HORIBLE, have not idea what you mean?
it is maybe
es war dass?
vom anfang ganze Zeit bis zu ende voll Unsinn??????
try to correct your google translations in german?
Und Du kannst nicht im mindsten Englisch sprechen! Nicht alle!
TPMP

Greenwich, CT

#24 Jan 11, 2013
aadriver wrote:
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I agree he should not have included preaching in that statement as the women do spend much time going from door to door. But the gist of what he said was true. Women are not treated as equals in the org, they are to be ruled by their husbands who will always have the final word. This even when it is obvious that the woman is much more capable with dealing with things than the husband
Well, what do the scriptures say?

"Let wives be in subjection to their husbands as to the lord, 23) because a husband is head of his wife as the Christ also is head of the congregation, he being a savior of the body 24) In fact, as the congregation is in subjection to the Christ, so let wives also be to their husbands in everything, 25) Husbands continue, loving you wives , just as the Christ also loved the congregation and delivered himself up for it (1 Corinthians 5: 22-25)

Cast down to verse 28

"In this way husbands ought to be loving their wives as their own bodies He who loves his wife loves himself 29) For no man ever hated his own flesh; but he feeds and cherishes it; as the Christ also does the congregation 30) because we are members of his body 31) "For this reason a man will leave his father and his mother and he will stick to his wife and the two will become one flesh

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The Apostle Paul also stated that women are to be in silence. She is not to have authority over a man in the congregation.

Of course, there are plenty of mature, spiritually minded sisters. In fact, many who could easily become elders if it was permitted according to scripture.

But, it is not permitted.

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Sisters are the backbone of most congregations. They are highly valued and given due honor and respect.
TPMP

Greenwich, CT

#25 Jan 11, 2013
The Real Karen wrote:
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Wasn't there another story on here a few days about about something similar of how a former brother told of how they treat women as second class?
Have you ever heard the old saying, "where theres smoke, there has to be a fire?"
Open your eyes TPMP, everything bad you hear about witnesses is not a lie. I do agree that there are some lies being told, but this one is not a lie.
"A story on here"?

(unquote)

But, why should anyone listen to stories if we know the truth of what goes in the congregations?

Weren't you once a part of the congregation?.

If you were then you would have saw that sisters are not treated as second class.

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Are you disagreeing with the stated arrangement of Jehovah God according to scriptures?

“Mystical Atheism for everyone!”

Since: Nov 08

El Cerrito California

#26 Jan 12, 2013
TPMP wrote:
Another run of the mill rotten apostate liar.
Nothing else we haven't heard before.
Sisters are given honor within the family unit and in the congregation. Women do preach. A good deal of the preaching work is done by the sisters, in fact.
So tell me why my mother, being a widow, had to put a doily on her head at dinner as she led us three small children in prayer while I was growing up in the organization?

Men are honored. Women are taught to keep their place.

And how many female elders do you know?

You people are Paulists, not Christians!

Since: Aug 09

Bedfordshire, England

#27 Jan 12, 2013
True Christian witness wrote:
Former Jehovah's witnesses will say anything rather than admit they could not follow the instructions to be a true Christian in these last days.
To give up the idol tradition of celebrating the holidays or the idolatry of birthdays or just being obedient to the requirements necessary to be approved by Jesus, the head of the world wide true Christian congregation of Jehovah's witnesses.
1John 2:15-17
You really think if I take my mother out to celebrate the fact that she has reached the age of 90, that is idolatrous.
You reckon it is perfectly ok to celebrate two people celebrating their 25th anniversary but not one person celebrating a 90th birthday. Is it any wander people think JWs have a screw loose

Since: Nov 09

Location hidden

#28 Jan 12, 2013
TPMP wrote:
<quoted text>"A story on here"?
(unquote)
But, why should anyone listen to stories if we know the truth of what goes in the congregations?
Weren't you once a part of the congregation?.
If you were then you would have saw that sisters are not treated as second class.
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Are you disagreeing with the stated arrangement of Jehovah God according to scriptures?
Stories from newspapers have been put here by robo something. They are not just stories from those here.

Why should anyone listen to these stories? Because if you will truly open your eyes, you will see it is the truth in some congregations. There were two Elders in our congregation when I was in my early 30's that was the perfect example of treating women like second class citizens. One of them made his wife walk behind him at all times, she was never allowed to speak when he was with anyone. If she ever forgot and tried to speak he would hold is hand up to hush her. The other Elder made his wife go to her seat and she was not to move until the meeting was over and they were allowed to leave. She hardly ever spoke to anyone and that was only when we would go to her. I do know other Elders who were very loving of their wives and treated them as equals, but most of them treated their wives as non important persons. I can understand the people saying JWS men treat women differently. It is a fact of life and should be listened to. Where there is smoke, there is going to be a fire. Does this happen in other religions, I only know how it goes in our church. Most of the men in our church are good men and proud of their families and wives. My husband sits with me as do most of the husbands sit with their wives. There are a few who are head strong, and I guess that is normal, but I have yet to see one do to his wife as the two Elders I mentioned did to theirs. I am sure that there are men who act like them in other religions, some men just have to prove they are men for some reason.

Since: Nov 09

Location hidden

#29 Jan 12, 2013
Grandpasmurf952 wrote:
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So tell me why my mother, being a widow, had to put a doily on her head at dinner as she led us three small children in prayer while I was growing up in the organization?
Men are honored. Women are taught to keep their place.
And how many female elders do you know?
You people are Paulists, not Christians!
I remember having to do that as well, my kids still kid me about it at times. Mama's hankie they would call it.
Stingo

Brantford, Canada

#30 Jan 12, 2013
Dr Shrink wrote:
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REALLY YOUR GRAMMAR IS HORIBLE, have not idea what you mean?
I haven't laughed this hard in years. Thank you, and my tears of laughter thank you as well. Say hi to Harold Camping for me.
True Christian witness

Pryor, OK

#31 Jan 12, 2013
The Real Karen wrote:
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You said that if they have a complaint, and they want to voice it, they cant go to an Elder if they have a husband? Now tell me why is that? Isn't that being a bit male chauvinist? She has as much right to approach an Elder as her husband does.
(1 Corinthians 14:34, 35)

35 If, then, they want to learn something, let them question their own husbands at home...

Since: Nov 09

Location hidden

#32 Jan 12, 2013
Stingo wrote:
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I haven't laughed this hard in years. Thank you, and my tears of laughter thank you as well. Say hi to Harold Camping for me.
Its like Karma. When someone points out how bad your spelling or grammar is, they make a mistake in their own post.
True Christian witness

Pryor, OK

#33 Jan 12, 2013
Celebrating a union of marriage is not the same as giving worship to an individual.

Marriage is a bond between two people, a vow of togetherness forever, blessing that union is shown by the people who have become part of that bond, family or friends.

Not everyone celebrates their marriage date.
TPMP

New York, NY

#34 Jan 12, 2013
The Real Karen wrote:
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Stories from newspapers have been put here by robo something. They are not just stories from those here.
Why should anyone listen to these stories? Because if you will truly open your eyes, you will see it is the truth in some congregations. There were two Elders in our congregation when I was in my early 30's that was the perfect example of treating women like second class citizens. One of them made his wife walk behind him at all times, she was never allowed to speak when he was with anyone. If she ever forgot and tried to speak he would hold is hand up to hush her. The other Elder made his wife go to her seat and she was not to move until the meeting was over and they were allowed to leave. She hardly ever spoke to anyone and that was only when we would go to her. I do know other Elders who were very loving of their wives and treated them as equals, but most of them treated their wives as non important persons. I can understand the people saying JWS men treat women differently. It is a fact of life and should be listened to. Where there is smoke, there is going to be a fire. Does this happen in other religions, I only know how it goes in our church. Most of the men in our church are good men and proud of their families and wives. My husband sits with me as do most of the husbands sit with their wives. There are a few who are head strong, and I guess that is normal, but I have yet to see one do to his wife as the two Elders I mentioned did to theirs. I am sure that there are men who act like them in other religions, some men just have to prove they are men for some reason.
I don't believe you. Period.

An elder would be counseled if acted that way towards his wife. Just wouldn't happen.

Since: Jun 09

Location hidden

#35 Jan 12, 2013
The Real Karen wrote:
<quoted text>
Stories from newspapers have been put here by robo something. They are not just stories from those here.
Why should anyone listen to these stories? Because if you will truly open your eyes, you will see it is the truth in some congregations. There were two Elders in our congregation when I was in my early 30's that was the perfect example of treating women like second class citizens. One of them made his wife walk behind him at all times, she was never allowed to speak when he was with anyone. If she ever forgot and tried to speak he would hold is hand up to hush her. The other Elder made his wife go to her seat and she was not to move until the meeting was over and they were allowed to leave. She hardly ever spoke to anyone and that was only when we would go to her. I do know other Elders who were very loving of their wives and treated them as equals, but most of them treated their wives as non important persons. I can understand the people saying JWS men treat women differently. It is a fact of life and should be listened to. Where there is smoke, there is going to be a fire. Does this happen in other religions, I only know how it goes in our church. Most of the men in our church are good men and proud of their families and wives. My husband sits with me as do most of the husbands sit with their wives. There are a few who are head strong, and I guess that is normal, but I have yet to see one do to his wife as the two Elders I mentioned did to theirs. I am sure that there are men who act like them in other religions, some men just have to prove they are men for some reason.
You are absolutely full of it.

Since: Jun 09

Location hidden

#36 Jan 12, 2013
Grandpasmurf952 wrote:
<quoted text>
So tell me why my mother, being a widow, had to put a doily on her head at dinner as she led us three small children in prayer while I was growing up in the organization?
Men are honored. Women are taught to keep their place.
And how many female elders do you know?
You people are Paulists, not Christians!
She wouldn't have to do that unless one of her children was male and baptized. I'm assuming you were baptized or you are a girl.
Jackie

Fairless Hills, PA

#37 Jan 12, 2013
Lurkers be aware if you are new here, there is an Evil group of people who engage schemes to slander others here through email, they plot to attack you with slander.
TPMP

New York, NY

#38 Jan 12, 2013
How I See It wrote:
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She wouldn't have to do that unless one of her children was male and baptized. I'm assuming you were baptized or you are a girl.
LOL!

Too funny.
Jackie

Fairless Hills, PA

#39 Jan 12, 2013
Jackie wrote:
Lurkers be aware if you are new here, there is an Evil group of people who engage schemes to slander others here through email, they plot to attack you with slander.
btt

Since: Feb 08

Arlington, VA

#40 Jan 12, 2013
Just from my own experiences I can say that many males at the KH do think they can approach sisters and give counsel (their opinions) and that we should just take it women are considered door mats imo.

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