The ONLY-ONLY-ONLY True God! (John 17:3)

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Aug 28, 2013
 
By Popular Demand, the list I've complied starting from Genesis thru Revelation of EVERY SCRIPTURE showing us who God and Christ RTEALLY are- and just WHO the God of Jesus Christ is!

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The TWO THOUSAND YEAR Slander!

Trinity, Triune Godhead, God-the-Father, God-the-Son,
God-the- Holy Ghost, the Holy Spirit, the Word, I AM,
Niceaen Creed, Church Fathers, Arian, etc!
For TWO THOUSAND YEARS the controversy over who Christ
is or was has raged among thousands of groups all claiming
their differing views to be based on the Bible!
Is that TRUE?
No. Most is based on CHURCH DOGMA, which distorts
their view of the Bible.

The matter really CAN be easily cleared
up WITH NO DOUBT by simply taking a
closer look at the Bible, while setting
Church Dogma aside!
We will do this from the very START of
the Bible (Genesis)- in ORDER- to the
very END of it (Revelation).

We first start with the very first reference
to the holy spirit:

Gen 1:2-And the earth was without form,
and void; and darkness was upon the
face of the deep. And the Spirit of God
moved upon the face of the waters.

Nothing to indicate a Ghost-God...
... but there is MUCH more to come!
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Aug 28, 2013
 
the Mad JW wrote:
The TWO THOUSAND YEAR Slander!
Trinity, Triune Godhead, God-the-Father, God-the-Son,
God-the- Holy Ghost, the Holy Spirit, the Word, I AM,
Niceaen Creed, Church Fathers, Arian, etc!
For TWO THOUSAND YEARS the controversy over who Christ
is or was has raged among thousands of groups all claiming
their differing views to be based on the Bible!
Is that TRUE?
No. Most is based on CHURCH DOGMA, which distorts
their view of the Bible.
The matter really CAN be easily cleared
up WITH NO DOUBT by simply taking a
closer look at the Bible, while setting
Church Dogma aside!
We will do this from the very START of
the Bible (Genesis)- in ORDER- to the
very END of it (Revelation).
We first start with the very first reference
to the holy spirit:
Gen 1:2-And the earth was without form,
and void; and darkness was upon the
face of the deep. And the Spirit of God
moved upon the face of the waters.
Nothing to indicate a Ghost-God...
... but there is MUCH more to come!
Can you show us the versus about Jesus in the old testament?

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Gen 1:26- And God said, Let us make
man in our image, after our likeness...

CHURCHianity has God talking to
Themselves ('God-the-Father',
'God-the-Son', and a Nameless
'God-the-Ghost') but His son WAS there,
as well as the angels, who always ASSIST
God, and His Son-

Job 38:4-Where were you when I laid the
earth’s foundation? Tell me, if you
understand.
5-Who marked off its dimensions? Surely
you know! Who stretched a measuring
line across it?
6- On what were its footings set, or
who laid its cornerstone—
7- while the morning stars sang
together and all the angels shouted
for joy?

God was speaking to his family. He Himself
later tells us that it was His SON
who "made" all things, and also that
GOD created all things "THROUGH" him!
Likely he was assisted by his "fellows",
"companions" (Heb 1:9)- his fellow
messengers..the angels!

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Aug 28, 2013
 
Now Gen 18 and 19, where three “men”
appeared to Abraham and Lot. Clergy
say it was the Trinity (Father, Son
and Ghost]... Let’s see what the
ACCOUNT says-

Gen 18:1-And Jehovah appeared to him by
the oaks of Mamre. And he sat at the
tent-door in the heat of the day.
2-And he lifted up his eyes and saw,
and behold, three men standing near
him. And when he saw [them], he ran
to meet them from the tent-door, and
bowed himself to the earth,
3-and said, Lord, if now I have found
favor in thine eyes, pass not away, I
pray thee, from thy servant.
4-Let now a little water be fetched,
that ye may wash your feet, and rest
yourselves under the tree.
8-And he took thick and sweet milk, and
the calf that he had dressed, and set
[it] before them; and he stood before
them under the tree,and they ate.
9-And they said to him, Where is Sarah
thy wife? And he said, Behold, in the
tent.
10-And he said, I will certainly return
to thee at [this] time of the year,
and behold, Sarah thy wife shall have
a son. And Sarah was listening at the
tent-door, which was behind him.
11-Now Abraham and Sarah were old [and]
advanced in age:it had ceased to be
with Sarah after the manner of women.
12-And Sarah laughed within herself,
saying, After I am become old, shall
I have pleasure, and my lord old?
13-And Jehovah said to Abraham, Why is
this, that Sarah laughs, saying,
Shall I indeed bear, when I am become
old?
14-Is [any] matter too wonderful for
Jehovah? At the time appointed I will
return to thee, at [this] time of the
year, and Sarah shall have a son.
20-And Jehovah said, Because the cry of
Sodom and Gomorrahis great and their
sin is very grievous,
21-I will go down now, and see whether
they have done altogether according
to the cry of it, which is come to
me; and if not, I will know [it].
22-And the men turned thence, and went
towards Sodom; and Abraham remained
yet standing before Jehovah.
23-And Abraham drew near, and said,
Wilt thou also cause the righteous to
perish with the wicked?
33-And Jehovah went away when he had
ended speaking to Abraham; and
Abraham returned to his place.

Genesis 19

1-And the two angels came to Sodom at
even. And Lot was sitting in the gate
of Sodom. And Lot saw them, and rose
up to meet them; and he bowed down,
the face toward the ground.
15-And as the dawn arose, the angels
urged Lot, saying,Up, take thy wife
and thy two daughters who are
present, lest thou perish in the
iniquity of the city.
16-And as he lingered, the men laid
hold on his hand, and on the hand of
his wife, and on the hand of his two
daughters, Jehovah being merciful to
him; and they led him out, and set
him without the city.
17-And it came to pass when they had
brought them outside,that he said,
Escape for thy life: look not behind
thee, neither stay thou in all the
plain: escape to the mountain, lest
thou perish.
23-The sun rose upon the earth when Lot
came to Zoar.
24-And Jehovah rained on Sodom and
Gomorrah brimstone and fire from
Jehovah out of heaven.

Now, what does the account show us?
God-the-Father, God-the-Son, and God-the-Ghost doing all this...
...or Jehovah speaking and working thru these angels?
Did Three Gods become "men" to visit
Abraham and Sodom?

Notice that they are called "men",
"angels" ,and "Jehovah" interchangably.

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For FOUR HUNDRED YEARS, the Jews who worshipped
him were in bondage to Egypt, and, understandably, were
starting to doubt he existed or cared.
Thus he told Moses, whom He would use as a Word -

Ex 4:15 You will speak with him and tell him what
to say. I will help both you and him [to speak], and
will teach you both what to do.
16- He will speak to the people for you. He will be
your spokesman, and you will serve as God to him.
17- And take this staff in your hand that you will
perform the signs with."

(Ex 7:1-“I’m making you God to Pharoah”- Darby),
and to let them know deliverance was at hand-

So Moses "Was God" to Aaron and to Pharoah.
Just as Jesus "Was God" as the Word!
(John 1:1)

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As we continue thru the Bible, you will
see OTHER ac counts where an Angel
is spoken of as "Jehovah" ( or "LORD"
in most translations removing it) for
the sole reason God is SPEAKING
directly THRU them.
Moses later writes that no man can see
God and live,as Jesus later, still,
did. The Apostle John, too, later
writes that no man HAS seen God,
which indicates that He has used
different angels and IMAGES to
“appear” and represent Himself to
man.
John, and MANY others DID see
Jesus!(NOT God)
Abraham, too, sees ANGELS, not God-
and certainly not THREE Almighty
Gods!

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Exodus 19

The Israelites had just been delivered from Egypt, and God says He is going to appear before them all. How will He do it? In a physical form,
as the angels did with Abraham?
Does God HIMSELF become “a little lower than ANGELS”, as Christ later did?
Ex 19: 9-And Jehovah said to Moses, Lo, I will come to thee in the cloud’s thick
darkness, that the people may hear when I speak with thee, and believe thee
also for ever. And Moses told the words of the people to Jehovah.-Darby

Was this even God Himself? Notice the Third Person wording:

Ex 19:24- And Jehovah said unto him, Go, get thee down; and thou shalt come
up, thou, and Aaron with thee: but let not the priests and the people
break through to come up unto Jehovah, lest he break forth upon them.

This indicates it was someone acting as the Word (Spokesman) of God...

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Now, by this time, all of you have seen how the Trinitarians try to put a spin to John’s words that were INSPIRED BY GOD HIMSELF, when he wrote “No man has seen God at ANY time!”
A curious account verifying this is found at -

Ex 33:20-And he said, Thou canst not see my face; for Man shall not see

me, and live.

21-And Jehovah said, Behold,[there is] a place by me: there shalt thou stand on the rock.
22-And it shall come to pass, when my glory passeth by, that I will put thee
in a cleft of the rock, and will cover thee with my hand, until I have passed by.

23-And I will take away my hand, and thou shalt see me from behind; but my face shall not be seen.

My guess is that “behind” was the only term Moses could understand.
A way of saying a very small PART of Him. or manifestation.

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Deut 6:4 Hear, O Israel: Jehovah our God is one Jehovah.-ASV

Self explanatory!
(Not THREE)

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One particular account gives a clear picture of God’s Spirit-

Num 11:16- And Jehovah said unto Moses, "Gather unto me
seventy men of the elders of Israel, whom thou knowest
to be the elders of the people, and officers over
them; and bring them unto the tent of
meeting, that they may stand there with thee.
17- And I will come down and talk with thee
there: and I will take of the Spirit which is
upon thee, and will put it upon them; and
they shall bear the burden of the people
with thee, that thou bear it not thyself alone."

“I’ll take some of the Spirit that is on you and place it on
them”- the Message

(Repeated several times in the account)

God HIMSELF calls the holt spirit "IT"- SEVERAL times, and
says He will take SOME of IT from Moses, and divide it up
amoung the 70 elders.

Was the Ghost-God of Churchianity chopped up & passed around?
Did Almighty God #1 call God #3 "IT"????

Only in CHURCHianity.
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Judged:

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the Mad JW wrote:
By Popular Demand, the list I've complied starting from Genesis thru Revelation of EVERY SCRIPTURE showing us who God and Christ RTEALLY are- and just WHO the God of Jesus Christ is!
I agree rubberneck,The word was with god and the word was god.The word became flesh and dwelt among men.You don't miss a beat hair lip!!!!! Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha!!!!!!
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the Mad JW wrote:
For FOUR HUNDRED YEARS, the Jews who worshipped
him were in bondage to Egypt, and, understandably, were
starting to doubt he existed or cared.
Thus he told Moses, whom He would use as a Word -
Ex 4:15 You will speak with him and tell him what
to say. I will help both you and him [to speak], and
will teach you both what to do.
16- He will speak to the people for you. He will be
your spokesman, and you will serve as God to him.
17- And take this staff in your hand that you will
perform the signs with."
(Ex 7:1-“I’m making you God to Pharoah”- Darby),
and to let them know deliverance was at hand-
So Moses "Was God" to Aaron and to Pharoah.
Just as Jesus "Was God" as the Word!
(John 1:1)
Hey now don't forget to"Stay alive til 75" Cause "millions now living will never die"And my favorite " There are only a few short months left to this wicked system before the end".Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha!!!! You cults crack me up!!!!! STOP!!!!! My side is hurting from all the deep belly laughs!!!!!!!!

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From Exodus thru to Isaiah, the endless dealings of Jehovah
with Israel and the nations show Him to be ONE PERSON.
Never does He speak of Himself to the people as “We” or
“Ourselves”. Always as “I”- singular.
Never is a Ghost-God seen, or referred to.

It’s not til we get to Isaiah, that He foretells the coming of
His Son- giving us insight into their dual identities:

Isa 9: 6- For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is GIVEN;
and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his
name shall be called Wonderful, Counselor, Mighty God,
Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace.
7- Of the increase of his government and of peace there shall
be no end, upon the throne of David, and upon his kingdom,
to establish it, and to uphold it with justice and with
righteousness from henceforth even for ever.
The zeal of Jehovah of hosts will perform
this.-ASV

The clergy have long used this to prop up their Trinity Dogma,
saying see there:“MIGHTY GOD! ETERNAL FATHER!”
Jesus is God Almighty- there is the PROOF!

It IS proof...of their ignorance and deception.
NO translation reads "Almighty".
Angels, and Moses "were" God.(Ex 7:1)
Many are...FATHERS, both literally, and figuratively.

Now, most important:'Mighty God', in the Hebrew term "el gbur"
literally means "Mighty Warrior", and is applied to mighty
rulers, gods of ancient people- and also the True God,
as well as it was to be applied to His Son.

It is used to describe the warriors under Joshua -
'mighty men of valor'-,Josh 10:7,'mighty men of wealth' in
Israel - 2 Kings 15:20- and many, many other applications to
men (usually not translated as 'god' by the translators):
Interlinears quickly show this.

Isa 9 does NOT say God HIMSELF is to come
(One 'Almighty' sent to earth, while 2 saty in heaven!)
- as WOULD be the case if the 'Trinity' was real, buuuuut
says He will GIVE this individual to mankind.

Since Christ (as he is called later) has always been the Word
(Spokesman) of God, he, as with Moses, REPRESENTS
God, as shown by this and many other references.
He is not his own Father, but the eternal “father’ of mankind:
after all, the scriptures show God made us THROUGH His son.
He created the human race thru his Father’s Holy Spirit- and
he later DIED for us.

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Isa 42:5- Thus saith God Jehovah, he that created the heavens, and
stretched them forth; he that spread abroad the earth and that which
cometh out of it; he that giveth BREATH unto the people upon it, and
SPIRIT to them that walk therein:

Does the One True God give ANOTHER God to every person who "walks"?
Or does he give LIFE thru His POWER (active force)?

(That IS a Rhetorical question!)

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Aug 28, 2013
 
Clergy quote Isa 42: 8, where it says
“ I am Jehovah, that is my name; and my glory will I not give to
another”, saying that this proves Jesus was always God, that
he would not GIVE glory to Christ, nor any other.
They not only spurn the Name (replacing it with "LORD"), but also
don’t quote the whole verse when
abusing it:

Isa 42:8- I am Jehovah, that is my name; and my glory will I not give
to another, neither my praise unto... graven images.

SELF EXPLANITORY!
(We all know He later DID share His Glory with His Son, giving him
all Power & Authority, and told ALL He WOULD, such as in Daniel 7)

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Aug 28, 2013
 
So far, Jehovah STILL identifies Himself as JUST ONE PERSON...
then speaks of another; Jeremiah was inspired by God’s Power
(the Holy Spirit) to give another prophecy of the coming of
Christ ("David"), while the Jews were captives in Babylon:

Jer 30:8- And it shall come to pass in that day, saith Jehovah of
hosts, that I will break his yoke from off thy neck, and will burst
thy bonds; and strangers shall no more make him their bondman;
9- but they shall serve Jehovah their God, and David their king,
whom I will raise up unto them.

Notice that God was NOT talking about Himself- but someone in
ADDITION to Himself!! Any pretense at being a Christian
is quickly proven false when denying the One who SENT him, the
One Jesus Served as God.

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Next comes the ancient Hebrew prophet, Ezekiel, who has a
VISION of God! Did he see three beings, or.....

Ez 1: 1- Now it came to pass in the thirtieth year, in the
fourth [month], on the fifth of the month, as I was among
the captives by the river Chebar, the heavens were opened,
and I saw visions of God.
3-the word of Jehovah came expressly unto Ezekiel the priest,
the son of Buzi, in the land of the Chaldeans by the river
Chebar; and the hand of Jehovah was there upon him.
4-And I looked, and behold, a stormy wind came out of the
north, a great cloud, and a fire infolding itself, and a
brightness was about it, and out of the midst thereof as
the look of glowing brass, out of the midst of the fire.
5- Also out of the midst thereof, the likeness of four living
creatures. And this was their appearance:
they had the likeness of a man.
24-And when they went, I heard the noise of their wings, like
the noise of great waters, as the voice of the Almighty, a
tumultuous noise, as the noise of a host: when they stood,
they let down their wings;
25-and there was a voice from above the expanse that was
over their heads. When they stood, they let down their wings.
26-And above the expanse that was over their heads was the
likeness of a throne, as the appearance of a sapphire stone;
and upon the likeness of the throne was a likeness as the
appearance of a man above upon it.
27-And I saw as the look of glowing brass, as the appearance
of fire, within it round about; from the appearance of his
loins and upward, and from the appearance of his loins and
downward, I saw as it were the appearance of fire, and it had
brightness round about.
28-As the appearance of the rainbow that is in the cloud in
the day of rain, so was the appearance of the brightness
round about. This was the appearance of the likeness of
the glory of Jehovah. And when I saw, I fell on my face, and
I heard a voice of one that spoke.
2:1- And he said unto me, Son of man, stand upon thy feet,
and I will speak with thee.
2-And the Spirit entered into me when he spoke unto me, and
set me upon my feet; and I heard him that spoke unto me.

No ‘God-the-Son’, no ‘God-the-Ghost’. Just ONE Grand
Personage we know as Jehovah!
Verse 3 and 2:1 show that God's spirit is his "hand"; what
He uses to carry out his will- what Gabriel said was "POWER
of the Most High".

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In the 11th Chapter of Ezekiel, we find a very
rare pre-Christian reference to the Holy Spirit.
Keep in mind , as you read it, that the Hebrew
word used literally means “wind”and "breath":

Ez 11:22- Then did the cherubim lift up their
wings, and the wheels were beside them; and the
glory of the God of Israel was over them above.
23- And the glory of Jehovah went up from the
midst of the city, and stood upon the mountain
which is on the east side of the city.
24- And the Spirit lifted me up, and brought me in
the vision by the Spirit of God into Chaldea,
to them of the captivity. So the vision that I
had seen went up from me.
25- Then I spake unto them of the captivity all
the things that Jehovah had showed me.-ASV

One’s belief of what the Holy Spirit is can easliy
flavor our understanding of this verse; was it
the POWER of God that enabled Ezekiel to see
and experience this vision- or a ‘God-the-Ghost’?

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READING and MEDITATING on any of these scriptures, churchoids?

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