How much do "christians" know about C...

“I don't know”

Since: Dec 06

Zagreb,Croatia

#25 Jun 29, 2007
FH Chandler wrote:
Ha- maybe you should write a blog about it; you know, let all your friends know the situation and why it keeps changing. Some of them might say something that will help you make a decision.
I think you'll figure yourself out and what you want, be it spirituality, atheism or agnosticism or something altogether different in time. Do what you think is best for you.
I would exchange profiles with you, but I deleted mine over a year ago. To me it seemed like little more than a big online flirting community and once I got married I didn't want to malign my own character by chatting up any of my old lady friends.
Lol i have allot of online Christian friends on yahoo (my yahoo id is: xyzbrs in case anyone is interested) apparently they think that i dismissed Christianity cause i want an immoral lifestyle, which is a lie of course, in fact this last two weeks when i stopped obsessing myself with bible and religion were like a vacation for me. Anyway it's midnight here so i'm off to bed now

Peace and good night :)

“NO, YOU MOVE.”

Since: Dec 06

Republic of Elbonia

#26 Jun 29, 2007
Brian: Lol i have allot of online Christian friends on yahoo (my yahoo id is: xyzbrs in case anyone is interested) apparently they think that i dismissed Christianity cause i want an immoral lifestyle

Reply: That sounds like JWspeak to me; are these people JWs?

“WISDOM, is a BRAVE WARRIOR”

Since: Jun 07

MAHATTAN

#27 Jun 29, 2007
I don't see any post from any of these "TRUE" Christians who claim to be God's chosen people responding to these CHALLENGES yet.

Since they are so EAGER to present proofs, FACTS, that they have the truth, this is an EXCELENT way to show it.

JW's you may find these CHALLENGES on posts # 1, 2, 3, and 4.

And please answer the some of the questions on post #18.

SO, LET SEE IT!!!!!!

And then I'll post .THANKS.

“NO, YOU MOVE.”

Since: Dec 06

Republic of Elbonia

#28 Jun 29, 2007
ETA: Since they are so EAGER to present proofs, FACTS, that they have the truth, this is an EXCELENT way to show it. JW's you may find these CHALLENGES on posts # 1, 2, 3, and 4.

Reply: The JW posters on the forum have no more ability to prove their own beliefs than anyone else!

You keep using the phrase "challenge."

What challenge are you talking about?

There really was no "challenge" to anyone in any of the posts at the beginning of the thread. One former believer is presenting his opinion that present day Xtianity has strayed from historical, biblical Xtianity.

Why do you need to first hear what the JWs on the forum have to say about it before you can comment on it yourself?
Jude 3

Durham, NC

#29 Jun 29, 2007
If the JW posters have no more ability to prove their beliefs than anyone else, as FHC asserts, why then does he cut them so much slack, but castigate Christians? FHC stands for NOTHING but himself. Most of the posters here believe in God. All FHC brings to these discussions is chaos, turmoil, mayhem, strife, contention, with a spirit of bitterness always wanting to pick a fight. When he is gone from here, as he usually is, there are productive exchanges. May he soon go away again, & spend his time with agnostics & atheists of his own kind, rather than wasting his time with Xtians.
Jude 3

Durham, NC

#30 Jun 29, 2007
ETA: This Chandler guy is a real piece of work as you can see. Like 3W, he seeks to call all the shots. The only thing he cares about is showing off his supposed debating skills. Do not fall for his tactics. If you want to hear from JW's about something before you comment on it yourself, that is your right to request such. You don't owe him a reason for anything you do. He is a Bible rejecting non-believing godless agnostic, & his bitterness shines for all to see in his posts. Look back on some of the older topics, & you'll see it so clearly; just want you to know about his crap; thanks.

“WISDOM, is a BRAVE WARRIOR”

Since: Jun 07

MAHATTAN

#31 Jun 29, 2007
Jude 3 wrote:
If the JW posters have no more ability to prove their beliefs than anyone else, as FHC asserts, why then does he cut them so much slack, but castigate Christians? FHC stands for NOTHING but himself. Most of the posters here believe in God. All FHC brings to these discussions is chaos, turmoil, mayhem, strife, contention, with a spirit of bitterness always wanting to pick a fight. When he is gone from here, as he usually is, there are productive exchanges. May he soon go away again, & spend his time with agnostics & atheists of his own kind, rather than wasting his time with Xtians.
Jude 3, you once again show how astute you are.

Again right on POINT, thanks Jude 3.

“WISDOM, is a BRAVE WARRIOR”

Since: Jun 07

MAHATTAN

#32 Jun 29, 2007
Like I said, I'll be looking forward to this thread to see which "Jehovah's Witness" would be responding or refuting some of these "CHALLENGES". PLEASE, WT's defenders check POSTS #1, 2, 3, and 4 and some QUESTIONS on POST #18.

LIKE I SAID:

THEN, I WILL GIVE A RESPOND. Thanks.
Steve Lowry

Marietta, GA

#33 Jun 29, 2007
FH, are you an atheist?
Jude 3

Durham, NC

#34 Jun 29, 2007
He's an agnostic. Agnosticism & atheism are related, but not the same thing. They are both refuted in CHRISTIAN APOLOGETICS, by Norman Geisler. I have no problem with considering such views, but after thorough research & examination, as well as by critics of Biblical Christianity, it is clear to me that the case for God & the Bible is solid, sound, strong, & will stand up to any test. What is simply so disappointing about JW's is that while they express a devotion to God & the Bible, they trust in an organization that misrepresents both. Agnostic & atheistic views offer nothing of value. True Christianity is real & no myth.

“NO, YOU MOVE.”

Since: Dec 06

Republic of Elbonia

#36 Jun 30, 2007
SL: FH, are you an atheist?

Reply: Agnostic.

You don't remember our conversations in the "Wondering why we come here" thread?

Funny, that was right about the time Timothy Noulles/1st Timothy/Jude 3/antisatanicFHChandler showed up on the forums badmouthing me and everyone else who doesn't agree with him.

“I don't know”

Since: Dec 06

Zagreb,Croatia

#37 Jun 30, 2007
FH Chandler wrote:
Geisler, like most Xtian apologists, merely reworks the same tired argument: we believe the bible to be true and inerrant, and because we believe that any other viewpoint is wrong.
That is not an argument.
I have to agree
Jude 3

Durham, NC

#38 Jun 30, 2007
FHC again does not know what he is talking about, as Geisler does not 'merely rework the same tired arguments' in his refutations. The case for God & the Bible stands on its own. FHC talks about 'name-calling' while doing the same himself, & constantly uses his agnostic views to trash ex-JW's & Christians, but can be very forgiving of JW's. He definitely talks out of both sides of his mouth. Some have said he is actually a practicing JW who says he is an agnostic here just so he can attack former JW's. Since he is just another gutless coward who will not tell who he really is, such could very well be. FHC Sockpuppet AKA Firehawk is a WT troll & will keep hiding; don't feed trash.
Jude 3

Durham, NC

#39 Jun 30, 2007
FH Chandler wrote:
Yet you're trying to refute me with the words of a man whose arguments boil down to nothing more than the same fallacious argument.
Timothy N. Noulles: it is clear to me that the case for God & the Bible is solid, sound, strong, & will stand up to any test.
Reply: You're entitled to your opinion and your beliefs. No one said otherwise.
And I'm entitled to say that due to lack of any tangible and verifiable evidence I chose not to believe the way you do.
Actually I'm not trying to refute FHC Sockpuppet AKA Firehawk at all. I couldn't care less what he thinks about anything. He wouldn't know 'tangible verifiable evidence' if it came up & bit him in the rear. As most of the posters here DO believe in God, his views are largely irrelevant. He is double-tongued, one way toward Christians & ex-JW's, another way toward JW's. The reason no one should give a crap about him is his failure to criticize the WT & JWs for the same issues he accuses are problems for Christians & former JW's, a double standard, totally unfair & very hypocritical in typical Chandler fashion. I'm Timothy N. Noulles. BTW, who are YOU, FHC? Tell us or keep being a coward.

NMB

Since: Dec 06

Location hidden

#41 Jun 30, 2007
FH Chandler,

"The JW posters on the forum have no more ability to prove their own beliefs than anyone else!"

In general it is not possible to provide evidence to prove our beliefs, if one does not accept the Bible. Since you describe yourself as an Agnostic, how do I prove the exiztance of God to you?

I accept the Bible as the word of God.
The following scriptures apply:

Hebrews 11:1, "Faith is the assured expectation of things hoped for, the evident demonstration of realities though not beheld.

Romans 1:20, "For his invisible [qualities] are clearly seen from the world’s creation onward, because they are perceived by the things made, even his eternal power and Godship, so that they are inexcusable;"

Does this constitute proof? Probably not in your eyes but it is enough for me.

""Someone should ALERT them to respond to these CHALLENGES launched at them too.""

1st Peter 3:15, "But sanctify the Christ as Lord in YOUR hearts, always ready to make a defense before everyone that demands of YOU a reason for the hope in YOU, but doing so together with a mild temper and deep respect."
truth be told

Kalispell, MT

#42 Jun 30, 2007
I'm almost sick reading this to be honest i only seone message of love and that's Jude 3 i See a men the ts pest at the world a man thet supports the watch tower ho is frustrated thet no won to her it but deep down he has not met Christ yet and i pray thet you do and see a Catholic thet the ts as programed as the jw my hart hearts for all of you this is my firs and last MSG i LOVE YOU ALL more thin you now jest pray and asked Jesus Christ to come and met you Jesus the way the Truth and the lite and for the JW get the MSG of LOVE because YOU don't get it please forgive the misspelled words I'm dyslexia's
Steve Lowry

Marietta, GA

#43 Jul 1, 2007
FH Chandler wrote:
SL: FH, are you an atheist?
Reply: Agnostic.
You don't remember our conversations in the "Wondering why we come here" thread?
Funny, that was right about the time Timothy Noulles/1st Timothy/Jude 3/antisatanicFHChandler showed up on the forums badmouthing me and everyone else who doesn't agree with him.
I'm sorry man. Yes, I do recall now.
blackprearl

Brisbane, Australia

#45 Jul 19, 2007
NMB wrote:
FH Chandler,
"The JW posters on the forum have no more ability to prove their own beliefs than anyone else!"
In general it is not possible to provide evidence to prove our beliefs, if one does not accept the Bible. Since you describe yourself as an Agnostic, how do I prove the exiztance of God to you?
I accept the Bible as the word of God.
The following scriptures apply:
Hebrews 11:1, "Faith is the assured expectation of things hoped for, the evident demonstration of realities though not beheld.
Romans 1:20, "For his invisible [qualities] are clearly seen from the world’s creation onward, because they are perceived by the things made, even his eternal power and Godship, so that they are inexcusable;"
Does this constitute proof? Probably not in your eyes but it is enough for me.
""Someone should ALERT them to respond to these CHALLENGES launched at them too.""
1st Peter 3:15, "But sanctify the Christ as Lord in YOUR hearts, always ready to make a defense before everyone that demands of YOU a reason for the hope in YOU, but doing so together with a mild temper and deep respect."
You cant see the wind, but you can feel, and what it does. You can see the stars but cant reach them, touch them. Whats real, are the stars really their because you can see them but cant reach or touch them. Or is the wind real because you can feel it but cant see. What is the concience that seperates the animal kingdom so much from humans.
One scripture as a no nothing JW, I could never get past this one. Romans 1:20
Claude Kenneson

Monticello, FL

#46 Jul 19, 2007
panda wrote:
<quoted text>You cant see the wind, but you can feel, and what it does. You can see the stars but cant reach them, touch them. Whats real, are the stars really their because you can see them but cant reach or touch them. Or is the wind real because you can feel it but cant see. What is the concience that seperates the animal kingdom so much from humans.
One scripture as a no nothing JW, I could never get past this one. Romans 1:20
Can one see electricity or can one see its effects? Does it exist? I figure there are probably other things we can't see that exist.

“NO, YOU MOVE.”

Since: Dec 06

Republic of Elbonia

#47 Jul 19, 2007
YN: This is just one of your strawmans...there's really no 'umff' to what your saying. Brother Chandler, you accuse "Xtian apologists" of being guilty of the "same tired arguement[s]" yet you yourself are DOING THE VERY SAME THING. What gives?! LOL!

Reply: I take it you disagree with something that I said.

Care to explain exactly why?

All you're doing here is saying that I am guilty of using "the same tired argument" but you fail to point out what, if anything, is wrong with what I have said.

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